9/11 Conspiracies(threads merged)

[heavycola]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

Heavy it is evidence, but you refuse to look at it. We have video tape of a orange molten liquid falling from the WTC. You can not deny it, you can not refute it, so the only thing you can do is IGNORE it. Good little kool-aid drinker!

jay, before we go into the thermite question, i just want to make something clear:

re: The Ronald Reagan airport flightpath and your claims about flying over the pentagon - you have looked at the picture I posted, you have not ignored and denied it, right?
You agree that what you alleged about low-level flights over that building was wrong?

[jay_a2j]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

Heavy it is evidence, but you refuse to look at it. We have video tape of a orange molten liquid falling from the WTC. You can not deny it, you can not refute it, so the only thing you can do is IGNORE it. Good little kool-aid drinker!

jay, before we go into the thermite question, i just want to make something clear:

re: The Ronald Reagan airport flightpath and your claims about flying over the pentagon - you have looked at the picture I posted, you have not ignored and denied it, right?
You agree that what you alleged about low-level flights over that building was wrong?

I didn't say commercial flights. I meant get into a private airplane and fly over the Pentagon. (with video)

[heavycola]

I challenge ANYONE who has a pilots license, to fly over the Pentagon. I will give you $1,000 if you make it. (It must be videotaped with you on camera as you visibly fly OVER the Pentagon)

Hey, if terrorists did it surely YOU can.

ANYONE who has a pilot's license, is what you said. I am presuming you realise that
a) commercial pilots have licenses
b) Flight 77 was a commercial aircraft

So. Prepared to admit you were wrong yet?


EDIT: Youtube is my friend, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSbo5WIogc

[Juan_Bottom]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

Duh! Didn't I just ask Jay if he had any? When I was a member of the Loose Change Site they had some big news. Some Professor (the University of Wisconsin???) found traces of Cordite on beams that were stolen from the towers. But I couldn't find this story on the web. So I asked Jay. And everyone knows that several people who were at the Pentagon reported smelling cordite, not Jet Fuel. But again, their testimonies were cut from the commission report.

By the way HC, did you look at those links, or do you know what I was talking about with the VP? You seem to only want to responde to dismissable stuff that I don't link to. And what of those excellent pictures of the Pentagon. Pretty big hole, and awful fire damage huh? I guess you can see why they can't release any video of a plane hitting it.....
The Commission report is full of contradictions/omissions.

Listen closely to Colonel Robert Marr, commander at NEADS on the morning of 9/11, confirm that they knew about, tracked, and sought to intercept and shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 BEFORE IT CRASHED.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vx6fAK3HUAo

[Juan_Bottom]

Am I the only one here who has seen IN PLAIN SIGHT, or LOOSECHANGEFINALCUT?

Does anyone else think Flight 93 landed in CINCINATTI?
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news2/cleve ... ight93.htm

[heavycola]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

Duh! Didn't I just ask Jay if he had any? When I was a member of the Loose Change Site they had some big news. Some Professor (the University of Wisconsin???) found traces of Cordite on beams that were stolen from the towers. But I couldn't find this story on the web. So I asked Jay. And everyone knows that several people who were at the Pentagon reported smelling cordite, not Jet Fuel. But again, their testimonies were cut from the commission report.

Think, for chrissakes.

a) Loose Change are quoting testimony that nobody can find? how surprising!
b) Cordite is an obsolete explosive. It was invented in the 1880s. No one uses it anymore! If you wanted to blast a hole in one of the most heavily reinforced buildings on the planet, or plant explosives to demolish two buildings the size of the towers, why on earth would anyone turn to cordite? That is just fucking insane, man! Think about it! The size of the charges needed, for one! I'll tell you what - find evidence of a ""truther"" suggesting they used cordite to bring down the towers.
c) 'everyone knows' - who knows? Where are the primary sources? more hearsay and rumour. And so far, that's all you have.

Look, my point in demolishing Alex Jones' credibility earlier was to show that these missing testimonies, secret files, etc etc are part of the same bag of chinese whispers, misinformation and downright lies.
It's like creationism, which takes a conclusion - genesis is literally true - and uses half-truths and sophistry to back itself up. That is EXACTLY what is happening here. Can you not see that yet?

[suggs]

How do you know it was molten?

Well, it appears molten in the video.

Maybe it was an orange curtain. Or some kool-aid?

genius

[suggs]

ps admidst all the crap and bollocks on this site at the moment, it gladdens my heart to see Cola effortlessly destroying the mumbo-jumbo merchants, as per norm.
I wonder tho Cola how you don't burst a blood vessell in rage at trying to convey to these people time and time again simple concepts such as EVIDENCE

ps cordite

[jay_a2j]

I challenge ANYONE who has a pilots license, to fly over the Pentagon. I will give you $1,000 if you make it. (It must be videotaped with you on camera as you visibly fly OVER the Pentagon)

Hey, if terrorists did it surely YOU can.

ANYONE who has a pilot's license, is what you said. I am presuming you realise that
a) commercial pilots have licenses
b) Flight 77 was a commercial aircraft

So. Prepared to admit you were wrong yet?


EDIT: Youtube is my friend, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSbo5WIogc

You have to wonder? Why is the Pentagon so close to an airport? Ok. so if I am to believe that passenger airplanes fly over the Pentagon on a regular basis, what happened to the Pentagon being "the most protected building on the planet"? Why all the surveillance cameras surrounding the Pentagon? (You know, the 56 video tapes the FBI came and confiscated within 20 minutes of the Pentagon attack?) Why have any cameras there if you are allowed to fly over it regardless? This does not compute. They knew that flight was hijacked, and they let it crash into the Pentagon? Something is extremely fishy here.


"Of course the order still stands, have you heard anything to the contrary?" (wake up)

[Backglass]

Thermite people! Thermite. backglass, heavycola and other deniers, watch this video evidence of Thermite falling from the WTC.

11. Why do some photographs show a yellow stream of molten metal pouring down the side of WTC2 that NIST claims was aluminum from the crashed plane although aluminum burns with a white glow?

NIST reported (NCSTAR 1-5A) that just before 9:52 a.m., a bright spot appeared at the top of a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2, four windows removed from the east edge on the north face, followed by the flow of a glowing liquid. This flow lasted approximately four seconds before subsiding. Many such liquid flows were observed from near this location in the seven minutes leading up to the collapse of this tower. There is no evidence of similar molten liquid pouring out from another location in WTC 2 or from anywhere within WTC 1.

Photographs, and NIST simulations of the aircraft impact, show large piles of debris in the 80th and 81st floors of WTC 2 near the site where the glowing liquid eventually appeared. Much of this debris came from the aircraft itself and from the office furnishings that the aircraft pushed forward as it tunneled to this far end of the building. Large fires developed on these piles shortly after the aircraft impact and continued to burn in the area until the tower collapsed.

NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.

NEXT!

Just laugh it off Jay. Like everything else, just keep looking (reading) until you find a YouTube video (bible passage) that fits your agenda (belief) of the moment.

You have to wonder? Why is the Pentagon so close to an airport? Ok. so if I am to believe that passenger airplanes fly over the Pentagon on a regular basis, what happened to the Pentagon being "the most protected building on the planet"?

Did it ever occur to your tiny little mind that the landscape of Washington D.C. might have been different when the Pentagon was built back in 1941?

Why all the surveillance cameras surrounding the Pentagon? (You know, the 56 video tapes the FBI came and confiscated within 20 minutes of the Pentagon attack?) Why have any cameras there if you are allowed to fly over it regardless? This does not compute.

Huh? You have to be kidding. Simply because there is controlled air space near the pentagon, they suddenly don't need security camera's? How about keeping people from walking/driving up to the building?!

Honestly...your logic process just baffles me sometimes.

They knew that flight was hijacked, and they let it crash into the Pentagon? Something is extremely fishy here.

Again, sometimes you just don't think. This wasn't a Russian MIG, this was a COMMERCIAL FLIGHT LOADED WITH CIVILIANS INCLUDING WOMEN & CHILDREN.

Are you saying that the US Government should have ordered a CIVILIAN plane, filled witn innocent Americans to be SHOT DOWN? :

Only you would think this is a good idea.

[heavycola]

I challenge ANYONE who has a pilots license, to fly over the Pentagon. I will give you $1,000 if you make it. (It must be videotaped with you on camera as you visibly fly OVER the Pentagon)

Hey, if terrorists did it surely YOU can.

ANYONE who has a pilot's license, is what you said. I am presuming you realise that
a) commercial pilots have licenses
b) Flight 77 was a commercial aircraft

So. Prepared to admit you were wrong yet?


EDIT: Youtube is my friend, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSbo5WIogc

You have to wonder? Why is the Pentagon so close to an airport? Ok. so if I am to believe that passenger airplanes fly over the Pentagon on a regular basis, what happened to the Pentagon being "the most protected building on the planet"? Why all the surveillance cameras surrounding the Pentagon?

so... it was extremely fishy when you believed no one was allowed to fly over the pentagon, and now it's fishy because planes regularly are allowed to fly over the pentagon?

Come on mate, give it up.

[Juan_Bottom]

ps admidst all the crap and bollocks on this site at the moment, it gladdens my heart to see Cola effortlessly destroying the mumbo-jumbo merchants, as per norm.
I wonder tho Cola how you don't burst a blood vessell in rage at trying to convey to these people time and time again simple concepts such as EVIDENCE

ps cordite

Except he is completely ignoring the links I am posting.

[Juan_Bottom]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

Duh! Didn't I just ask Jay if he had any? When I was a member of the Loose Change Site they had some big news. Some Professor (the University of Wisconsin???) found traces of Cordite on beams that were stolen from the towers. But I couldn't find this story on the web. So I asked Jay. And everyone knows that several people who were at the Pentagon reported smelling cordite, not Jet Fuel. But again, their testimonies were cut from the commission report.

Think, for chrissakes.

a) Loose Change are quoting testimony that nobody can find? how surprising!
b) Cordite is an obsolete explosive. It was invented in the 1880s. No one uses it anymore! If you wanted to blast a hole in one of the most heavily reinforced buildings on the planet, or plant explosives to demolish two buildings the size of the towers, why on earth would anyone turn to cordite? That is just fucking insane, man! Think about it! The size of the charges needed, for one! I'll tell you what - find evidence of a ""truther"" suggesting they used cordite to bring down the towers.
c) 'everyone knows' - who knows? Where are the primary sources? more hearsay and rumour. And so far, that's all you have.

Look, my point in demolishing Alex Jones' credibility earlier was to show that these missing testimonies, secret files, etc etc are part of the same bag of chinese whispers, misinformation and downright lies.
It's like creationism, which takes a conclusion - genesis is literally true - and uses half-truths and sophistry to back itself up. That is EXACTLY what is happening here. Can you not see that yet?

The professor in question did do a tv interview on HANNITY and COLMES, so I know it's not a bullshit statement. I just can't find it. That doesn't mean its not real.

Which is why I never brought it up as evidence. You just grasped and ran with it.

CORDITE AT THE PENTAGON-
http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttac ... last.shtml
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/ev ... osive.html
And there are also qoutes in the LOOSECHANGE film too.

Now why don't you go back a couple of pages and start following my links, rather than "disproving me" by "my evidence" when I never submitted it to you in the first place.

Cordite is used in bombs to melt steel, quote Jesse Ventura. Sure it was used in TNT, but who says it's obsolete?
Cord"ite\, n. [From Cord, n.] (Mil.) A smokeless powder composed of nitroglycerin, guncotton, and mineral jelly, and used by the British army and in other services.

While HC goes back a couple of pages and catches up, let's keep my part of the conversation rolling.....

If our government had no idea this was gonna happen, then what is this?????

Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown was set to fly into New York on the morning of September 11. However, he got a call from what he described as his 'airport security' late September 10th advising against flying due to a security threat.

Newsweek twice reported that top Pentagon officials had got a warning of the impending attack on September 10th, and cancelled their flights for the next day. This confirms that these officials knew both the locations of the imminent attack and the method of using jetliners as bombs.

And anyone else aware of the ISRAELI NATIONALS that were deported immidiatly following 9-11, rather than questioned? This is gonna get me a lot of flack.... But the New York Times were the first to report it anyway.

Classified evidence regarding Israelis rounded up
Insurance on Twin Towers raised to their maximum in the months preceding the attacks.
The Twin Towers were due for expensive renovation projected to cost in excess of $5.6 Billion
Mister Silverstein made quite a nice profit when he was awarded the insurance billions.
A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9/11. The New York Times reported that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attacks, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. The Five Dancing Israelis were investigated by the FBI and found to be working for Urban Moving Systems, a front operation run by an Israeli businessman. In the days, following September 11, the Urban Moving Systems operation center was cleaned out, closed, and the owner fled to Israel.

http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/9/11

[Jenos Ridan]

can we please just get over it already... its been like what 6 years now? happened in 2001 when my now ex was in boot camp.. its been 6 years let it die with diana!

I dare you to try and pull that on Holocaust Survivors (happened over 60 years ago)

Or African Americans (enslaved until 1865, persecuted until the 1960's)

Or Native Americans (Forced into reservations for the last 200 some-odd years)

Or Serbian/Croatian/Albanian Refugees (ten or so years ago)

and so on....

I dare you to have the sheer nerve to say such a thing to these people.

[Juan_Bottom]

can we please just get over it already... its been like what 6 years now? happened in 2001 when my now ex was in boot camp.. its been 6 years let it die with diana!

I dare you to try and pull that on Holocaust Survivors (happened over 60 years ago)

Or African Americans (enslaved until 1865, persecuted until the 1960's)

Or Native Americans (Forced into reservations for the last 200 some-odd years)

Or Serbian/Croatian/Albanian Refugees (ten or so years ago)

and so on....

I dare you to have the sheer nerve to say such a thing to these people.

Ditto.

[Jenos Ridan]

can we please just get over it already... its been like what 6 years now? happened in 2001 when my now ex was in boot camp.. its been 6 years let it die with diana!

I dare you to try and pull that on Holocaust Survivors (happened over 60 years ago)

Or African Americans (enslaved until 1865, persecuted until the 1960's)

Or Native Americans (Forced into reservations for the last 200 some-odd years)

Or Serbian/Croatian/Albanian Refugees (ten or so years ago)

and so on....

I dare you to have the sheer nerve to say such a thing to these people.

Ditto.

Thank you.

Personally, the "get over it" crowd are nearly as bad as the "holocaust deniers". It happened, we need to find the people responcible.

[Juan_Bottom]

You know JENOS RIDEN, I only actually agree with you about 50% of the time. But with the exception of God, I find that the stuff we do agree upon, I actually care about.

[Jenos Ridan]

You know JENOS RIDEN, I only actually agree with you about 50% of the time. But with the exception of God, I find that the stuff we do agree upon, I actually care about.

Fair enough, I'll take what I can get.

Hey, least we agree at all on anything.

[heavycola]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

Duh! Didn't I just ask Jay if he had any? When I was a member of the Loose Change Site they had some big news. Some Professor (the University of Wisconsin???) found traces of Cordite on beams that were stolen from the towers. But I couldn't find this story on the web. So I asked Jay. And everyone knows that several people who were at the Pentagon reported smelling cordite, not Jet Fuel. But again, their testimonies were cut from the commission report.

Think, for chrissakes.

a) Loose Change are quoting testimony that nobody can find? how surprising!
b) Cordite is an obsolete explosive. It was invented in the 1880s. No one uses it anymore! If you wanted to blast a hole in one of the most heavily reinforced buildings on the planet, or plant explosives to demolish two buildings the size of the towers, why on earth would anyone turn to cordite? That is just fucking insane, man! Think about it! The size of the charges needed, for one! I'll tell you what - find evidence of a ""truther"" suggesting they used cordite to bring down the towers.
c) 'everyone knows' - who knows? Where are the primary sources? more hearsay and rumour. And so far, that's all you have.

Look, my point in demolishing Alex Jones' credibility earlier was to show that these missing testimonies, secret files, etc etc are part of the same bag of chinese whispers, misinformation and downright lies.
It's like creationism, which takes a conclusion - genesis is literally true - and uses half-truths and sophistry to back itself up. That is EXACTLY what is happening here. Can you not see that yet?

The professor in question did do a tv interview on HANNITY and COLMES, so I know it's not a bullshit statement. I just can't find it. That doesn't mean its not real.

Which is why I never brought it up as evidence. You just grasped and ran with it.

CORDITE AT THE PENTAGON-
http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttac ... last.shtml
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/ev ... osive.html
And there are also qoutes in the LOOSECHANGE film too.

Now why don't you go back a couple of pages and start following my links, rather than "disproving me" by "my evidence" when I never submitted it to you in the first place.

Cordite is used in bombs to melt steel, quote Jesse Ventura. Sure it was used in TNT, but who says it's obsolete?
Cord"ite\, n. [From Cord, n.] (Mil.) A smokeless powder composed of nitroglycerin, guncotton, and mineral jelly, and used by the British army and in other services.

You are citing a local politician and former professional wrestler as an explosives expert? Can you find an expert - a chemist, perhaps, or a demoliton professional - to back up these claims about cordite being used to melt steel? because otherwise I am going to ignore Mr Ventura's comments, teh way I am sure he would ignore marie curie's wrestling advice.
Cordite, BTW, was used in ammunition rounds - perhaps a steel-melting chemical is not the best thign to use in rapid-firing machine gun barrels?

[/quote]
While HC goes back a couple of pages and catches up, let's keep my part of the conversation rolling.....

If our government had no idea this was gonna happen, then what is this?????

Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown was set to fly into New York on the morning of September 11. However, he got a call from what he described as his 'airport security' late September 10th advising against flying due to a security threat.

[/quote]

Ok man, i don't have time to rebut every little claim you make around the edges of this - but i'll take your first one, OK?

http://propagandamatrix.com/willie_brow ... rning.html here is a link to the Chronicle's story, which is this 'factoid's primary source.
In it, the deputy director at SF airport says these low-level warnings are routine and that several had been made in the previous couple of months. Brown is quoted: 'It was not an abnormal call'.
(It is a convenient aspect of conspiracy theories that the evidence of anyone in authority - a mayor, an airport official - can be questioned. Not sayign what you want them to say? Lump 'em in with the rest of the evildoers!)
His flight left SF at 8am pacific time. He watched the attacks happen while he was waiting for his flight! Furthermore, the aircraft hijacked were all from east coast airports, for obvious reasons. He was never in ANY DANGER of anything worse than being diverted.
Yet... this has blown up into: 'Condi Rice HERSELF warned Brown not to fly that day!'
Again, it's a 'creationist' reading of events. Twist the facts to fit the version you want to believe, rather than approach it objectively.


Now instead of you floating tiny snippets that fall apart at the slightest investigation, I reckon you should explain a couple of big HOW questions about the whole thing. You coud start with:

- The conspiracy had to involve politicians, the military, the police, the New York Port Authority, the media, security guards, rescue workers, civilians at work in the pentagon, an army of demolition experts, firefighters, United Airlines, eyewitnesses - and yet, 3,000 deaths and seven years later, no one has cracked. A conspiracy of thousands has remained absolutely tight-lipped for seven years. How is this possible?
The conspiracy theorists have managed to dig dirt on the "super-secret" bilderbergers, the masons, etc etc but no one has managed to tease a 'yes, i was told to keep my mouth shut' story from even an NYPD cop? Seriously? Explain please.

[Juan_Bottom]

Yet... this has blown up into: 'Condi Rice HERSELF warned Brown not to fly that day!'
Again, it's a 'creationist' reading of events. Twist the facts to fit the version you want to believe, rather than approach it objectively.

She's qouted in the LOOSECHANGE film semi-admitting it. Seriously, you should watch the damn thing. It's free on the web. And while your at it, watch IN PLAIN SITE, so you know what the crap I'm talking about. And again, it wasn't just Willie Brown who was warned.....

"Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown was set to fly into New York on the morning of September 11. However, he got a call from what he described as his 'airport security' late September 10th advising against flying due to a security threat.

Newsweek twice reported that top Pentagon officials had got a warning of the impending attack on September 10th, and cancelled their flights for the next day. This confirms that these officials knew both the locations of the imminent attack and the method of using jetliners as bombs."

You are citing a local politician and former professional wrestler as an explosives expert? Can you find an expert - a chemist, perhaps, or a demoliton professional -

HOW ABOUT JESSE VENTURA....... You know the professional wrestler/politician that is also a former member of the Navy SEAL underwater Demolition Team?
Just sayin' is all....

The conspiracy had to involve politicians, the military, the police, the New York Port Authority, the media, security guards, rescue workers, civilians at work in the pentagon, an army of demolition experts, firefighters, United Airlines, eyewitnesses - and yet, 3,000 deaths and seven years later, no one has cracked. A conspiracy of thousands has remained absolutely tight-lipped for seven years. How is this possible?

I've already answered this exact question enough for you. And I'm not going to speculate on this whole friggin' thread. I'm not an idiot, and I wont fall for any lawerin'. And you forgot to give me an answer for this..... It kinda falls in line with your question...

"And anyone else aware of the ISRAELI NATIONALS that were deported immidiatly following 9-11, rather than questioned? This is gonna get me a lot of flack.... But the New York Times were the first to report it anyway.
Classified evidence regarding Israelis rounded up
Insurance on Twin Towers raised to their maximum in the months preceding the attacks.
The Twin Towers were due for expensive renovation projected to cost in excess of $5.6 Billion
Mister Silverstein made quite a nice profit when he was awarded the insurance billions.
A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9/11. The New York Times
reported that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attacks, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. The Five Dancing Israelis were investigated by the FBI and found to be working for Urban Moving Systems, a front operation run by an Israeli businessman. In the days, following September 11, the Urban Moving Systems operation center was cleaned out, closed, and the owner fled to Israel.
http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/9/11"

The conspiracy theorists have managed to dig dirt on the "super-secret" bilderbergers, the masons, etc etc but no one has managed to tease a 'yes, i was told to keep my mouth shut' story from even an NYPD cop? Seriously? Explain please.

I never said anything about Builderberg, or Masons........ What are you talking about????? And again, I'd prefer to not speculate.

To keep on topic... I never heard what you though of this site. Certainly are a few experts there.
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

And I was wondering if you had found the answer to this question..I'm not attacking here, just wondering...
"I was just glancing over the thread and realized that I dropped the ball here. Does anyone remember the odds of connecting to the ground on a cell? I think it was a two thousand feet you have a 75% chance of connecting... and then gets smaller and smaller. My browser is fighting me on the search here....Does anyone know/remember?"

Opinions on this matter???
"Like Barbara Olsen???"

You never responded to this...So I was wondering if everyone missed it?
"I agree Jay. In the very least ONE of the three towers should have fallen sideways. But they all came straight down.

But I can't watch the video anyway. Someone gave me this to post here.... But you all know that I can't watch it. And you all know how I feel about YOUTUBE anyway... But It's important to be an honest person, isn't it? I have no idea what it is..so if someone would share...that'd be great.."

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3 ... re=related

Opinions?
"But the Public has no right to do their own investigation? All pieces of debris are considered federal property(making it a huge crime to steal them). They are transported by truck, put on a barge, and shipped to CHINA."

Bush is stopping criminal investigation by the way..... must have something to do with "put options, and insider tradeing?"

"And I agree with Jay, the rate of speed, combined with the fact that they fell on their own footprint is very suspicios. The 9-11 commission report even said it was very unusual. I think that is the exact phrase they used.
And the deal is, the government can give you a fancy excuse as to why it happened that way. But it's never happened that way before.
It's never happened before, ever. Neither has a skyscraper been felled by fire. Which, in my opinion, wouldn't have ever been hot enought to melt the steel used."

Or this.... You all seem quick to dismiss this
Operation Northwoods
"Then there's this..Neo-con document called "Re-arming America's Defenses", published by the "Project for a New American Century", in the year 2000, calls for a "new Pearl Harbor" to get the American public on board for a global war of aggression to secure oil reserves?
That Oil Reserves thing sounds familier. Too much coincidence."
Both Dick Cheny and Donald Rumsfeld were part of the think tank.
Guess who was the pilot who came up with the 'What-If' scenario of "What if a plane hits the Pentagon?" Your all aware that the plane that hit the Pentagon hit the only side of the building that was finished construction for this scenario, right?
And what's the deal with the CIA's "DOOMSDAY" planes being filmed over the Pentagon, and the towers?

Missed you here.
"A gang of Arabs beat NORAD three times in one day, including an attack on the pentagon (the most highly protected airspace on the planet) using boxcutters?
Just after control of take down order is transferred to the President/Vice president only?
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260607_mineta.html
http://aolsearcht3.search.aol.com/aol/s ... ery=google
The Secretary of Transportation testified that not only did Cheny lie about where he was on the morning of 9-11, but that he may have actually, literaly, had his finger on the button.
His testimony was removed from the commission report.
The Commission report is full of contradictions/omissions.

Listen closely to Colonel Robert Marr, commander at NEADS on the morning of 9/11, confirm that they knew about, tracked, and sought to intercept and shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 BEFORE IT CRASHED.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vx6fAK3HUAo
They never even sent up a jet. And yes, take down would have been the order given."

And you never answered this rebuttel....
"OOooo!!!!! And what about the Flight School Head who admits Hani Hanjour Couldn't Fly a Plane? The dude failed his flight test, and wasn't allowed to fly a Cessna?
http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/hijackers.html

And I know you're gonna say he only had to crash one..... But if you look at where/how he hit the pentagon... [i]And managed to vaporize his plane in the process"
"Does anyone else think Flight 93 landed in CINCINATTI?
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news2/cleve ... ight93.htm"


Never heard what anyone found for videos....
"Bhutto says[said] Omar Sheikh killed Osama---go onto Google and type Bhutto says Osama is dead in the browser. A couple of interviews with her will pop up. She said it a couple of times. That video alone makes me question our media...It should have been news here."


And I'd like everyone's best judgement on this too. I'm no expert, but this doesn't look like a plane hit it and vaporized.... at least not to me. And fine if one did, but then how did they identify the bodies, and why can't anyone see one of the 60(?) tapes? BACKGLASS, if you'd like to post some more pics of the Pentagon, or the field, we'd love to see them.


And why did both planes vaporize????? It never happened before, ever!!!! Let's not be sooo quick to dismiss that little fact, please.
And how come two black boxes vaporized on Sept 11th? Yet a paper passport survived the same wreck?

[heavycola]

Juan, we need to do this one thing at a time. You just posted a huge series of claims, from condi rice 'semi-admitting(?????)' she phoned willie brown to something about the hole in the side of the pentagon. No one is going to respond to all that.

So instead, why don't you take one of your claims - any one that you think is watertight and presents strong evidence that 9/11 was an inside job - and we can argue that. Agreed?


(by the way: Jesse Ventura might have been an underwater demolition guy, but to say that makes him an expert on controlled building demolition is crazy. Can you think how clearing mines or clearing underwater obstructions might be different to demolishing a 110-storey bulding? You should bear in mind that the tallest building ever demolished was only 25 storeys high and required almost 3000lbs of explosive, suggesting that some proper expertise would have been needed (not an ex-wrestler who used to plant bombs underwater, in other words))

[Juan_Bottom]

Juan, we need to do this one thing at a time. You just posted a huge series of claims, from condi rice 'semi-admitting(?????)' she phoned willie brown to something about the hole in the side of the pentagon. No one is going to respond to all that.

Take your time. I doubt this thread is gonna zip along without your rebuttels. No one cares.
Anyway, that is all the stuff that has been missed through this thread. It was originally posted one at a time.

So instead, why don't you take one of your claims - any one that you think is watertight and presents strong evidence that 9/11 was an inside job - and we can argue that. Agreed?

No thank-you sir. Though, my favorite thing to talk about with other truthers is flight 93(a lot of mystery, there's a lot of guessing ).... followed by tower 7, and the pentagon. Really what I have posted so far is just the tip of the iceberg. Sorry???

by the way: Jesse Ventura might have been an underwater demolition guy, but to say that makes him an expert on controlled building demolition is crazy.

I was just saying that he is a badass expert. And that he knows what Cordite is. I was responding to you.
As far as his 911 status, he does think the government at least was criminally responsible, same as me. All he ever does though is ask questions. Kinda like Willie Nelson. Yeah, we've got Willie Nelson.

[Pedronicus]

HC - answer me a question regarding 9/11.

What was the advantage of all security footage of the Pentagon impact, being removed from public view?
As far as I see it, the CIA have fueled these 9/11 conspiracy theories.

WHY?

[heavycola]

Juan, we need to do this one thing at a time. You just posted a huge series of claims, from condi rice 'semi-admitting(?????)' she phoned willie brown to something about the hole in the side of the pentagon. No one is going to respond to all that.

Take your time. I doubt this thread is gonna zip along without your rebuttels. No one cares.
Anyway, that is all the stuff that has been missed through this thread. It was originally posted one at a time.

So... your strategy is to throw enough bullshit and see if any of it sticks?

let's see what has been debunked so far in this thread:
- the Marvin Bush link
- the 'sniffer dogs were stood down' myth
- the 'planes aren't allowed over the pentagon' myth
- the willie brown 'smoking gun'

One by one. I am saying that I can refute any claim you make.

So instead, why don't you take one of your claims - any one that you think is watertight and presents strong evidence that 9/11 was an inside job - and we can argue that. Agreed?

No thank-you sir. Though, my favorite thing to talk about with other truthers is flight 93(a lot of mystery, there's a lot of guessing ).... followed by tower 7, and the pentagon. Really what I have posted so far is just the tip of the iceberg. Sorry???

Why ever not?
You could start with: 'Tower 7 was destroyed using controlled demolition'
or: 'A missile hit the pentagon, not a plane'

try it and let's see. It is all disprovable, and although I know that the last thing any 'truther' wants is to have these theories disproved, you should have faith in your claims.

by the way: Jesse Ventura might have been an underwater demolition guy, but to say that makes him an expert on controlled building demolition is crazy.

I was just saying that he is a badass expert. And that he knows what Cordite is. I was responding to you.
As far as his 911 status, he does think the government at least was criminally responsible, same as me

yeah i realise jesse 'the body' ventura is a fellow conspiracy theorist. So is jay. So what?
And he is a 'badass expert'? On what? You know what, don't answer that. Just see above and let me know if you want to do this properly.

[Juan_Bottom]

the Marvin Bush link

I agree that he didn't own the company. Did you read my qoute? His actual involvement with the tower's security is SEALED. Thank you for teaching me that though.

the 'sniffer dogs were stood down' myth

Thanks, I forgot about that one. I was right, they had pulled dogs. Here, I'll give you another good link you can use against me.
http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/ind ... ded&start=

- the 'planes aren't allowed over the pentagon' myth

I never said that Daddy-O, nice work anyway. I said that it is the most protected airspace on the planet. But thats argueable.

the willie brown 'smoking gun'

Then you obviously didn't finish reading my post. I re-pasted it before, in that giant list of stuff you ignored.

One by one. I am saying that I can refute any claim you make.

Dick Cheny lied about where he was, and what he was doing.

It is all disprovable, and although I know that the last thing any 'truther' wants is to have these theories disproved, you should have faith in your claims.

Good, I do. Now start with my giant list of ignored stuff.