[Official] British Isles REVAMP [Quenched]

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:01 am

cena-rules wrote:you are right t-o-m it didnt border on the original

So is the border going to be changed to be like the original because I did not understand what's going to happen exactly?

I think the border should be like the original map.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:57 am

the border should be like the original map. no gameplay changes are allowed for revamps.
it screws the ongoing games if you change the gameplay.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:42 am

DiM wrote:the border should be like the original map. no gameplay changes are allowed for revamps.
it screws the ongoing games if you change the gameplay.

weve always changed 4 way borders in revamps . . .

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:47 am

gimil wrote:
DiM wrote:the border should be like the original map. no gameplay changes are allowed for revamps.
it screws the ongoing games if you change the gameplay.

weve always changed 4 way borders in revamps . . .

Actually Canada had a 4 way I I put a lake at teh connectino so it visually went away. Indochina had a 4 way, I changed it an no one ever noticed.

WM

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:56 am

if the borders are the same as the old xml then it's ok.
meaning northumberland must not connect to galloway and cumberland must not connect to lothian.
in the revamp cumberland does connect to lothian and that is bad because it screws the gameplay. in the original version you needed to hold northumberland and cumberland to attack both terits over the bridge. now you can leave northumberland with no troops and put a big stack on cumberland. a player used to the old gameplay will naturally leave lothian defenceless as he will be sure it can't be attacked.

so do what wm did on canada or what keyogi did on middle east and find a solution to keep the 4 way but mask it. otherwise there will be problems. a lot of them.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:01 am

DiM wrote:if the borders are the same as the old xml then it's ok.
meaning northumberland must not connect to galloway and cumberland must not connect to lothian.
in the revamp cumberland does connect to lothian and that is bad because it screws the gameplay. in the original version you needed to hold northumberland and cumberland to attack both terits over the bridge. now you can leave northumberland with no troops and put a big stack on cumberland. a player used to the old gameplay will naturally leave lothian defenceless as he will be sure it can't be attacked.

so do what wm did on canada or what keyogi did on middle east and find a solution to keep the 4 way but mask it. otherwise there will be problems. a lot of them.

I agree with DiM on this one. I don't think it should be a problem to keep the gameplay like the original.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:59 am

Ruben Cassar wrote:
DiM wrote:if the borders are the same as the old xml then it's ok.
meaning northumberland must not connect to galloway and cumberland must not connect to lothian.
in the revamp cumberland does connect to lothian and that is bad because it screws the gameplay. in the original version you needed to hold northumberland and cumberland to attack both terits over the bridge. now you can leave northumberland with no troops and put a big stack on cumberland. a player used to the old gameplay will naturally leave lothian defenceless as he will be sure it can't be attacked.

so do what wm did on canada or what keyogi did on middle east and find a solution to keep the 4 way but mask it. otherwise there will be problems. a lot of them.

I agree with DiM on this one. I don't think it should be a problem to keep the gameplay like the original.

I think this was suggested but take on of the end pillars of teh wall and put it in the middle. Then move the borders on both sides to meet there. Woudl that work?

WM

keiths31 · Post by **keiths31** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:15 pm

The British Isles are probably my favourite map...the new one looks sharp.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Mon May 12, 2008 2:52 am

gimil wrote:
iancanton wrote:in the map, it appears that cumberland can attack lothian & borders. the xml confirms this. this is a change in gameplay from the original british isles map, so i think it isn't intentional. perhaps u can redraw the cumberland-northumberland border to meet the one between dumfries & galloway and lothian & borders as a four-way, then plant a watchtower in hadrian's wall in the middle of the four-way (to block the diagonal attacks) – maybe something that looks like a chess rook.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess

in the key and the xml, change gloucester to gloucestershire.

ian.

Ian I beleive changing the border is the simpliest option so I think ill be sticking with it. Ill do the gloc change right now before I forget again

Still disagree with this Gimil...

C.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Mon May 12, 2008 11:52 pm

I like Iancanton's idea. I think it's in the spirit of the old map.

--Andy

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:11 am

Agree. Don't change the gameplay please. Adding that extra border to Cumberland makes it easier to break that northern bonus.

jarrett155 · Post by **jarrett155** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:34 pm

leave it the same please:P Ive never lost on the original

Thezzaruz · Post by **Thezzaruz** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:04 am

Just to make sure... The proposed map is the one without the flags in the background right? That's too bad as I think it looked better with the flags.

And I agree with DiM and the rest, make the borders /intersects be the same as on the old one.

Snowman · Post by **Snowman** » Tue May 27, 2008 11:41 am

I know I'm coming to this discussion late and one of these points will probably have been discussed to death but I'm going to make them anyway and then don my hard hat.

1) In the key Glouchester should read Gloucestershire (or at the very least Gloucester). There is no h in it

2) The area marked as Dorset should really be Somerset & Dorset. And if people don't want both names then it should really be Somerset as that is the larger of the two counties.

Right, now where's my hat...

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Tue May 27, 2008 5:48 pm

wicked wrote:Agree. Don't change the gameplay please. Adding that extra border to Cumberland makes it easier to break that northern bonus.

Ditto that. One of my favorite maps, messing with the gameplay would not be cool. The revamp looks great though! =D>

oddballthesecond · Post by **oddballthesecond** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:49 pm

Hi guys - not sure if this is the right place - but the spelling of the isle of white should be isle of wight. Small point i know, but if you live in the isle of wight (i dont) I am sure they would like it right!

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Fri May 30, 2008 5:52 pm

Gimil, perhaps it's worth removing your 1st draft from the 1st post, and leaving it there as a url instead, so that people don't comment on it thinking it's your final draft ;-)

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Fri May 30, 2008 5:55 pm

oddballthesecond wrote:Hi guys - not sure if this is the right place - but the spelling of the isle of white should be isle of wight. Small point i know, but if you live in the isle of wight (i dont) I am sure they would like it right!

Thanks for picking that up; and welcome to the forums/foundry ;-)

As my post above ^^ indicates, I think you've replied to the earliest image of this development. Don't worry about it though - these map developmnet threads can be confusing and bewildering at first.... you'll get used to it ;-)

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Fri May 30, 2008 5:57 pm

Gimil stop wasting time and finish this revamp! :p

ZeakCytho · Post by **ZeakCytho** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:07 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:Gimil stop wasting time and finish this revamp! :p

QFT! I've been waiting to play this revamp for so long now.

Snowman · Post by **Snowman** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:36 pm

MrBenn wrote:Gimil, perhaps it's worth removing your 1st draft from the 1st post, and leaving it there as a url instead, so that people don't comment on it thinking it's your final draft

As far as I can see, the latest version still has an "h" in Gloucester in the key.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:37 pm

Snowman wrote:
MrBenn wrote:Gimil, perhaps it's worth removing your 1st draft from the 1st post, and leaving it there as a url instead, so that people don't comment on it thinking it's your final draft

As far as I can see, the latest version still has an "h" in Gloucester in the key.

He's right ya know...

C.

drake_259 · Post by **drake_259** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:31 pm

lol cant help noticing london is too low down to the thames

lordhaha · Post by **lordhaha** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:55 am

The name of this map should be changed to Great Britain & Ireland or Ireland & Great Britain.

Ireland is a republic and many people spent many years fighting and have given their lives to be recognized as such.
It still gives a lot of us Irish the needle to be called under the "British Isles" name.

Would just like to point out that I have nothing against Great Britain personally, I lived there for 10 years and enjoyed my time there but would just like my country recognized for what it is and that is a separate state. Thanks.

FabledIntegral · Post by **FabledIntegral** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:00 pm

Ahaha it's separate - oh god my historical/geographical knowledge could use a refresher, I wasn't aware it was a sovereign entity yet :S.

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