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Timminz wrote:Looking at the poll, I'm honestly SHOCKED by the majority view here. I couldn't take the time to read the entire 77 pages, but could someone summarize for me? Is this bigoted view due to religious fear of not having members procreate, thus increasing the number of believers, or is it just closeted gays being afraid of themselves and not being able to accept homosexuality on the grounds of "It might tempt me"?


All of the above, ranging from those who honestly believe that the Bible considers this to be a sin above most others and a true threat to the just plain bigoted idiots who need no more reason than it makes them feel "yucky". In general, these people make it quite clear they have never met any real homsexuals (that they know of) .. and are perfectly willing to believe the most outrageous stereotypes.

You also have a large number of more "middle of the roaders" who sincerely believe homosexuality is sin by the Bible or otherwise not an appropriate lifestyle (whether they believe it is learned or biological), who would not necessarily be outwardly cruel to a homosexual person, but who just feel that legalizing the unions would somehow give an endorsement they don't want. Many of these know or suspect they know at least one homosexual.

On the other ("pro") side, you have generally the opinion that allowing it won't harm us, that whether we "like"/agree with homosexuality or not, not allowing marriage or civil union causes more harm that good. And generally, that the reason for supporting it are similar to the reasons for supporting marriage in general (better families, legal easments of inheritances, etc.).

Personally, I fit in that last groupt. I believe the Old Testament Bible does consider homosexuality sin, but also that we are to be non-judgemental and that overall, homosexuality is no more harmful (spiritually, perhaps less) than other religions and so forth. In my case, I am not 100% convinced but what this might be a rule that Christ made irrelevant ... but overall, my feeling is that there is enough question to leave this issue to God and not people to judge.

There are a lot of variations, but that is a basic BRIEF summary.
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I'm still here... but I skipped 5 pages... because your conversation has only become less intelligent...
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Nataki Yiro wrote:I'm still here... but I skipped 5 pages... because your conversation has only become less intelligent...

Don't worry yourself little boy, in about 55 more pages, if you're lucky, it might dip to a level you can understand.

Now please sod off if all you're here to do is troll.
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william18 wrote:Gays don't deserve gay marriage, what makes them so special?

1. Most of them choose to be gay and they can help it. A few hundred years ago we didn't have problems with men wanting to marry eachother so I doubt it's majorly gnetic.

2. If you give a normal couple a small house and make them try to start a community, and you make a gay couple do the same, who will do better. The normal couple since they can reproduce, and are less liable to contract sexual viruses.


This is just my two cents.

Too bad it's only worth about half that.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:In general, these people make it quite clear they have never met any real homsexuals (that they know of) .. and are perfectly willing to believe the most outrageous stereotypes.


ROFL! The real homosexuals, not those fake ones.

Player, the reason I want this thread bumped up to the top is that you guys just don't get it. The more you call people bigots and judge them the more people you drive away from your position. Please don't stop with the damn name calling because I guarantee we couldn't be whoopin' your asses on this poll had it not been for your posts. Hell, my posts have probably accounted for some people voting yes. It's not just you, it's the bunch of you trying to force your beliefs on others.

Case in point -

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bradleybadly wrote:it's the bunch of you trying to force your beliefs on others.


Unlike what you live and let livers are doing by trying to use the constitution to limit rights as opposed to what it is supposed to be used for?
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detlef wrote:
bradleybadly wrote:it's the bunch of you trying to force your beliefs on others.


Unlike what you live and let livers are doing by trying to use the constitution to limit rights as opposed to what it is supposed to be used for?


Really? The I suppose you could explain to me which virtue it is that bestows the title of right to the institution of marriage, fuckwit?
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The Pennsylvania supreme court recently ruled that marriage is a fundamental right, not a priviliage.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:The Pennsylvania supreme court recently ruled that marriage is a fundamental right, not a priviliage.


In which case I might, without wishing to be too rash in my judgement of these gentlemen of the judiciary branch of the good state of Pennsylvania who I must admit are unknown to me, be justified in calling them absolute fooking retards.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:The Pennsylvania supreme court recently ruled that marriage is a fundamental right, not a priviliage.


In which case I might, without wishing to be too rash in my judgement of these gentlemen of the judiciary branch of the good state of Pennsylvania who I must admit are unknown to me, be justified in calling them absolute fooking retards.


Well, it wouldn't be if the government weren't so involved in the whole ordeal. Honestly, I don't see what the fuss is about marriage anyhow. I've been trying to avoid marriage for the past year or so...
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Neoteny wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:The Pennsylvania supreme court recently ruled that marriage is a fundamental right, not a priviliage.


In which case I might, without wishing to be too rash in my judgement of these gentlemen of the judiciary branch of the good state of Pennsylvania who I must admit are unknown to me, be justified in calling them absolute fooking retards.


Well, it wouldn't be if the government weren't so involved in the whole ordeal. Honestly, I don't see what the fuss is about marriage anyhow. I've been trying to avoid marriage for the past year or so...


The fuss? It's one of the last metaphysical redoubts where morality and meaning are able to resist the onslaught of the malign influences of the relativisto-socialo-masonic steamroller, a redoubt, you will no doubt appreciate, said steamroller is keen to demolish using the proverbial weight-ball of gay marriage suspended by the rope of "social equality" and suspended by the potential energy of legion upon legion of leftists the effect of whose vociferity is not dissimilar to that of small 7 year olds hyped up on tartrazine.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:
detlef wrote:
bradleybadly wrote:it's the bunch of you trying to force your beliefs on others.


Unlike what you live and let livers are doing by trying to use the constitution to limit rights as opposed to what it is supposed to be used for?


Really? The I suppose you could explain to me which virtue it is that bestows the title of right to the institution of marriage, fuckwit?

For starters, how many times have you guys pissed and moaned about the name calling?

Secondly, I'm not calling for a constitutional amendment to protect gay marriage. My problem is that the amendments are all there to protect the rights of people. Right to free speech, right to bear arms, right to assemble, right to vote, and so on. It is a gross misuse of the document to have an amendment who's intention is to limit someone's rights. That's what this does.

Now, we can argue that marriage is not a right, but that is besides the point. The point is the spirit of the constitution is to protect people from the government. To limit the government's control over our lives. This does the exact opposite.

The constitution is not there to "protect" heterosexual people who's faith in their own bonds of love are so weak that they feel they'll be harmed by gay marriage.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:The fuss? It's one of the last metaphysical redoubts where morality and meaning are able to resist the onslaught of the malign influences of the relativisto-socialo-masonic steamroller.


Oh... so I'm trying to avoid living a moral life? That might explain a lot. I resent the masonic comment, however. I do not believe in a supreme being...
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Neoteny wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:The fuss? It's one of the last metaphysical redoubts where morality and meaning are able to resist the onslaught of the malign influences of the relativisto-socialo-masonic steamroller.


Oh... so I'm trying to avoid living a moral life? That might explain a lot. I resent the masonic comment, however. I do not believe in a supreme being...


Oh, come now Neoteny! The insult wasn't directed at you! How could think I should be so base as to insinuate such things of you?
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Napoleon Ier wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:The fuss? It's one of the last metaphysical redoubts where morality and meaning are able to resist the onslaught of the malign influences of the relativisto-socialo-masonic steamroller.


Oh... so I'm trying to avoid living a moral life? That might explain a lot. I resent the masonic comment, however. I do not believe in a supreme being...


Oh, come now Neoteny! The insult wasn't directed at you! How could think I should be so base as to insinuate such things of you?


Oh, ok. Damn straight, I mean.
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Neoteny wrote:Oh... so I'm trying to avoid living a moral life? That might explain a lot. I resent the masonic comment, however. I do not believe in a supreme being...

Supreme 'Architect' I believe is the preferred term...
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Dancing Mustard wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Oh... so I'm trying to avoid living a moral life? That might explain a lot. I resent the masonic comment, however. I do not believe in a supreme being...

Supreme 'Architect' I believe is the preferred term...


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detlef wrote:The constitution is not there to "protect" heterosexual people who's faith in their own bonds of love are so weak that they feel they'll be harmed by gay marriage.


Word.
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Snorri1234 wrote:
detlef wrote:The constitution is not there to "protect" heterosexual people who's faith in their own bonds of love are so weak that they feel they'll be harmed by gay marriage.


Word.


No-one appears to be disagreeing.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
detlef wrote:The constitution is not there to "protect" heterosexual people who's faith in their own bonds of love are so weak that they feel they'll be harmed by gay marriage.


Word.


No-one appears to be disagreeing.

Yes? We know, "word" is meant to indicate agreement. When someone says "it's a nice day" do you follow them and say "the weather appears to be in favourable conditions"? it's the same sort of concept.
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No, I think Snorri somehow thought some brave, new and controversial concept had been proclaimed and that it needed recognition as the latest revoltionnary comment in the Great Struggle against "Teh Consewative Bigotwy!!!11". I was attempting to disspell this notion. Yes?
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Sorry, but I think you failed to do so.
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MeDeFe wrote:Sorry, but I think you failed to do so.


Then you are sadly mistaken. No one is suggesting gay marriage is bad because it will make their marriage unstable. Indeed, I'm certainly not married. Most Roman Catholic priests you'll find aren't. So the notion is ridiculous. Those married persons who do oppose this abomination do so on completely different grounds. Indeed, whathisname has provided no evidence to suggest that such is the underlying psychological motivation for opposition to gay marriage.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:Sorry, but I think you failed to do so.


Then you are sadly mistaken. No one is suggesting gay marriage is bad because it will make their marriage unstable. Indeed, I'm certainly not married. Most Roman Catholic priests you'll find aren't. So the notion is ridiculous. Those married persons who do oppose this abomination do so on completely different grounds. Indeed, whathisname has provided no evidence to suggest that such is the underlying psychological motivation for opposition to gay marriage.


Whoever said it held only for married people?
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Snorri1234 wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:Sorry, but I think you failed to do so.


Then you are sadly mistaken. No one is suggesting gay marriage is bad because it will make their marriage unstable. Indeed, I'm certainly not married. Most Roman Catholic priests you'll find aren't. So the notion is ridiculous. Those married persons who do oppose this abomination do so on completely different grounds. Indeed, whathisname has provided no evidence to suggest that such is the underlying psychological motivation for opposition to gay marriage.


Whoever said it held only for married people?


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