Scandinavia Map

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:23 am

I think you should remove the baltic denmark connection and make denmark and iceland both worth 2.. because they both have 4 territories 2 continent borders at that point.. but put a baltic swedish connection so that that can be a 3 point continent.

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:29 pm

AndrewLC wrote:On the key, Iceland is spelt "Island", just wanted to point it out

That is the native name, as is Danmark-Denmark. But, in my view, it has to be:
Danmark
Suomi
Sverige
Norge
Island

or

Denmark
Finland
Sweden
Norway
Iceland

respectively, either all native or all English.

coup · Post by **coup** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:44 pm

RexRegis wrote:Ahh. ok...
I can add the borders to finland again, I just painted over them so they are actually still there.
I'm not sure of how small iceland actually is, but I can shrink it a little more and remove one part of it so it is a 4 land isle.

I can add lines so Öland(small swedish island) and the baltic island is own parts.
and I'll remove one border in danmark so we get fewer parts there.

I don't really like the idea of a single norway, to many border, to long and the only continent that border Iceland

*edit*
here are the changes

the legend now shows the number of regions in the "continent" this is NOT gonna be the bonuses later.

Ohh. and what are you thinking about the baltics being part of scandinavia?
for me it doesn't matter it makes the map more playable for me, but I could remove the baltics and draw a sea route from danmark to finland instead.

Hi: have a look at this for reference in Norwegian regions (fylker)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Map_Norway_political-geo.png

I'll try to list the regions for you:
1. Østfold
2. Akershus
3. Oslo (Very small, so you can use just Akershus)
4. Buskerud
5. Vestfold
6. Telemark
7. Aust-Agder
8. Vest-Agder
9. Rogaland
10. Hordaland
11. Sogn & Fjordane
12. Møre & Romsdal
13. Oppland
14. Hedmark
15. Sør-Trøndelag
16. Nord-Trøndelag
17. Nordland
18. Troms
19. Finnmark

We also have Svaldbard which is a Norwegian territory.

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:24 pm

Norway also happens to own Bouvet Islands, which are uninhabited and below Africa. They even have their own internet tld.

rantanplan · Post by **rantanplan** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:35 pm

happysadfun wrote:Norway also happens to own Bouvet Islands, which are uninhabited and below Africa. They even have their own internet tld.

Not exactly own. Norway has sovereignity over it along with Queen Maud's land, Peter the I's Island and Svalbard. Svalbard the only territory considered as part of the kingdom.

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:34 pm

rantanplan wrote:
happysadfun wrote:Norway also happens to own Bouvet Islands, which are uninhabited and below Africa. They even have their own internet tld.

Not exactly own. Norway has sovereignity over it along with Queen Maud's land, Peter the I's Island and Svalbard. Svalbard the only territory considered as part of the kingdom.

And yet, it matters not because the Bouvets are uninhabited. And if by Q Maud's Land you mean part of Antarctica, it is disputed because not all countries recognize any ownership of Antarctica.

RexRegis · Post by **RexRegis** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:17 pm

I want more input on this...
bonuses? regions? parts? contries? continents? borders?
what do you think needs to be added/removed?

and some help with some of the names would be great.

ttocs · Post by **ttocs** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:08 pm

south sweden, north norway, and a few others seem overbonused. And on the guide, isn't "Danmark" spelled "Denmark"?

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:14 pm

ttocs wrote:And on the guide, isn't "Danmark" spelled "Denmark"?

I wrote:
AndrewLC wrote:On the key, Iceland is spelt "Island", just wanted to point it out

That is the native name, as is Danmark-Denmark. But, in my view, it has to be:
Danmark
Suomi
Sverige
Norge
Island

or

Denmark
Finland
Sweden
Norway
Iceland

respectively, either all native or all English.

gavin_sidhu · Post by **gavin_sidhu** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:39 pm

Mayb add svalbard.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:17 pm

Your bonuses are too high.

Iceland is for a bonus of 2, surely.
Denmark too, but I would remove that connection to Baltics and connect Baltics to Sweden instead.
N. Norway = 3
S. Norway = 4; Would be good to have one less border here.
For N. Sweden, I would split that huge territory in the South, and make it a bonus of 4.
S. Sweden, bonus of 5. I would just remove that little border of a territory with Norway.
Baltics bonus is 3.
Finland looks good to 6 or 7, I would just merge 2 countries in South area (that connected to Baltics and the one to the its east), and instead split that big are to the north.

stinkycheese · Post by **stinkycheese** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:25 pm

I noticed that for each territory's bonus all you did was add up the number of provinces and then make that number the bonus...don't do that. Take into consideration the number of provinces, the number of borders, and perhaps how isolated the territory is from the rest of the territories. There may be other things to consider... 8-[

RexRegis · Post by **RexRegis** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:14 am

RexRegis wrote:Ahh. ok...
I can add the borders to finland again, I just painted over them so they are actually still there.
I'm not sure of how small iceland actually is, but I can shrink it a little more and remove one part of it so it is a 4 land isle.

I can add lines so Öland(small swedish island) and the baltic island is own parts.
and I'll remove one border in danmark so we get fewer parts there.

I don't really like the idea of a single norway, to many border, to long and the only continent that border Iceland

*edit*
here are the changes

the legend now shows the number of regions in the "continent" this is NOT gonna be the bonuses later.

Ohh. and what are you thinking about the baltics being part of scandinavia?
for me it doesn't matter it makes the map more playable for me, but I could remove the baltics and draw a sea route from danmark to finland instead.

I'm not at home now, but the baltic/denmark connection is now a baltic sweden connection.
I'll merge the small parts, and split the larger part in finland. and also split the large part in N.Sweden. Then my suggestion is to extend the mountains between Sweden and Norway so one of the bottom connections dissapears.

any ideas on how to add svalbard? as it is above the current map the map would be even higher and I'm not sure on how to do that...

and once again...
Q - What are you thinking about the baltics being part of scandinavia?
for me it doesn't matter it makes the map more playable for me, but I could remove the baltics and draw a sea route from danmark to finland instead.[/

gavin_sidhu · Post by **gavin_sidhu** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:22 am

Have no expertise in this, but happysadfun said the baltics should be included cos they have close ties with finland.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:08 pm

RexRegis wrote:Then my suggestion is to extend the mountains between Sweden and Norway so one of the bottom connections dissapears.

I disagree, because 3 is a good number of borders to a medium continent, so no problem.

RexRegis · Post by **RexRegis** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:46 am

Marvaddin wrote:
RexRegis wrote:Then my suggestion is to extend the mountains between Sweden and Norway so one of the bottom connections dissapears.

I disagree, because 3 is a good number of borders to a medium continent, so no problem.

where do you see 3 borders?
Yellow part has 4 borders, the mountains would make it 3.
Red part has 5 borders, the mountains could keep it as that or make it down to 4 borders.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:57 am

Oh, I got the idea. I was thinking about green region. Well, even increasing the mountains, 4 borders in Norway, or are thinking about those mountains going until the sea? I think its not a very god idea...

RexRegis · Post by **RexRegis** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:45 pm

Current version

Suggestions on playability, names and bonuses, please.

Hoff · Post by **Hoff** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:08 pm

I would suggest moving everything to the left alittle bit. It just seems like everything is on the right side and it looks a bit odd.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:18 pm

Do you have any of the names in mind for the areas? I'd like to see a map with the names, always helps the discussion of playability.

As for some of the names, the islands near Sweden and Denmark can be found on various internet atlas websites. But what of the regions in the actual countries. Do you have names for them? Get a map up with all the names and then we can discuss a little more.

--Andy

RexRegis · Post by **RexRegis** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:22 pm

I'll see if I can work on it later today...
The borders started out as "real" borders, but have been rearranged so it doesn't match real maps anymore...

RexRegis · Post by **RexRegis** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:01 pm

as you might have noticed, I havn't been very busy with this map, I just hasn't had the time to do anything.
if someone wants to help, please send me a msg.
Help with a name layer would be great.

I've done it in Photoshop so it is all in layers if someone wants to change anything.

MonkeyRex · Post by **MonkeyRex** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:43 am

RexRegis wrote:The borders started out as "real" borders, but have been rearranged so it doesn't match real maps anymore...

That might make it more playable, but it makes it more difficult to name. For example, Trøndelag is now split in two, and so is Nordland. If the border was were it is in reallity, the map might not look as good, but it would be obvious which is which...

Lupo · Post by **Lupo** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:28 am

I could be in fault, but who holds the whole Sweden gets a bonus of 8 armies, while he has only 3 continental borders to defend. Let me know your opinion about this issue! :-({|=

Forza AZ · Post by **Forza AZ** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:20 pm

Lupo wrote:I could be in fault, but who holds the whole Sweden gets a bonus of 8 armies, while he has only 3 continental vorders to defend. Let me know your opinion about this issue!

There are 4 borders, 1 in the North, 1 to Norway, 1 to Finland and 1 in the South.