Wrong Turn Mafia Cannibals win

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:10 am

Skoffin wrote: I think whatever arguement there is about a roleblocker, we will certainly know after this night. I already suspect what the outcome will be.

Dammit if only et was here we woudl at least get 1 result.

philh · Post by **philh** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:53 am

Skoffin wrote:Ahaha... maybe you should reread. I was not protecting Cena at all, in fact I said to wait for him to claim and if need be I would do the hammer. And I had a reason for waiting.

Anywho, if you insist. There is a reason I have been defending Iliad, it's because I know he is in fact town. Yeah I'm the cop, I had my reasons for not wanting to claim yesterday (you all know what is going to happen now that I have). You can go ahead and kill Iliad and prove it, but that will not serve us any real good. We are too close to the end so we need to get this right.

Sorry, I don't believe you. I want a full claim, first off. Second, why do you have no other information? Who else have you investigated? When did you investigate Iliad? Why didn't you claim yesterday? The doctor could have protected you at night and we needed all the information we could get if it was LOYL.

As to cena, what was your reason for waiting? You didn't just ask us to wait for him to claim, you asked us to wait for you personally to pass judgement: "I ask that *no one* hammer him untill I have a chance to see the claim please." If we'd done that, we would have missed the deadline.

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:30 am

Iliad wrote:
icedagger wrote:No actualy my entire case is what I wrote above.. you still haven't explained why you'd vote william who has a solid claim and voted cena above Skoffin

I voted william when he was acting scummily. Big whoop. Vote cena? I DID NOT vote cena because I WANTED TO KNOW THE VOTE COUNT

You have changed your case, not that it matters it's shithouse anyway

I'm talking about today, when you said you think william would be the best vote :roll:

I thought I'd made that pretty clear. The second bit was a typo, I meant vote william above skoffin.

Skoffin if you're a cop you musr've had a chance to make loads of investigations by now. Care to share them?

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:13 am

Iliad wrote:
cena-rules wrote:13 would=3 mafia I think

gf
goon
either goon or roleblocker but I think goon
aha I found it!

Of course cena could be trying to trick us but probably there are only 3 mafia.

Interesting how he doesn't think that there is a roleblocker

That is interesting. Then that would blow ET's claim apart. If there is no roleblocker, then why would a town roleblock a tracker? This either means that ET is lying or there is a mafia roleblocker.

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:41 am

ET's lying or there is a mafia roleblocker? Wow we didn't know that last week...

What cena said means nothing much, he was mafia and there's no reason he'd tell the truth.

I'm interested to hear about Skoffin's "investigations"

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:49 am

Yes please tell us your results, or are you going to pull the same excuse ET did?

yorkiepeter · Post by **yorkiepeter** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:17 pm

I'm with Icedagger on this one. Cena cannot be believed on anything.

I have grave doubts about Skoffin, if he really is cop then we need more results. Who she investigated which night and what was the result.

Also she needs a bloody good reason not to have revealed herself yesterday. With the spotlight falling on me, william and iliad, any one of us coould have been lynched while scoffin was keeping quiet.

Now I wonder if cena was the roleblocker? would the mods tell us if he was?

As for ET there is only the fact that he has not been counterclaimed that stops him from being lynched. He may well be telling the truth, but then we have no evidence to suggest he is or he isn't apart from the fact he wasn't countered.

William, what can you say? The most scummy thing in this game (and believe me there have been a few) was when he tried to get cop to suppress any town results. What did he want? for the cop to keep quiet while we lynched town? He did vote cena, but early on before he claimed. But then just before that he did his best to get iliad lynched. then when I refused to jump on his bw he turned to me. When that didn't work he turned on cena. It may be that he was not online to unvote after cena claimed as he took a long time to claim. William could have planned to unvote and 'believe' his scummate but was outdone by the lateness of cena's claim and the prompness of mine and daggers vote to hammer him. I'm not saying that he is scum just that he shouldnt be discounted cos he voted cena.

Iliad looks scummy and I wonder if skoffin's attempt at claiming cop is just to clear his scummate. If it is then its stupid. If we lynch scoffin and he was not cop then I don't think anything would save iliad. On the other hand if we lynch iliad and he turns out to be scum then its surely victory for town as scoffin becomes an automatic lynch.

Phil has done nothing to persuade me that he is town, but then he's done nothing for me to think he's scum either, apart from staying very much in the background.

Icedagger, same as Phil, except I think him hammering cena probably clears him.

I think either I got it dead right when I said phil,cena and william for scum or skoffin and iliad are scummates

A word of caution though, if and its a big if skoffin is cop then they may well be 4 canibals (cena saying 3 may well be a lie of course). In which case if we don't believe scoffin and lynch either him or iliad we may well lose here, today if we are wrong.

At this stage I will not vote as I want to here more from scoffin first

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:22 pm

If cena was a roleblocker, then it would say so. He's just a mafia goon.

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:39 pm

It looks a bit desperate by Skoffin. Mafia might be at a point where they just need to kill one town to win, in which case I guess she'll "reveal" one town as scum. Or she might just attempt to clear Iliad.

I guess the only way I'd actualy believe her would be if she said she found Iliad as scum.

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:41 pm

Im tired of her stubborn incompetence.

Vote Skoffin

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:45 pm

Skoffin wrote: Ahaha... maybe you should reread. I was not protecting Cena at all, in fact I said to wait for him to claim and if need be I would do the hammer. And I had a reason for waiting.

Anywho, if you insist. There is a reason I have been defending Iliad, it's because I know he is in fact town. Yeah I'm the cop, I had my reasons for not wanting to claim yesterday (you all know what is going to happen now that I have). You can go ahead and kill Iliad and prove it, but that will not serve us any real good. We are too close to the end so we need to get this right.

Oh she already "cleared" Iliad

Unvote anyway to give her a chance to post her investigations

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:46 pm

william18 wrote:If cena was a roleblocker, then it would say so. He's just a mafia goon.

I can confirm this.

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:46 pm

4 to lynch.

Skoffins at -3.

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:48 pm

Nope -2

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:49 pm

who's the second person?

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:51 pm

philh wrote:Since noone seems inclined to say anything more, I'll go with what I've got.

The four people who didn't vote cena were himself, ET, skoffin and Iliad. ET is away, so my current thinking is that the remaining two are scum. On that basis, vote Skoffin.

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:52 pm

oh ok.

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:14 pm

Guys do this lynch me instead of skoffin. Just do it. If you lynch me and you're wrong(as you are) you lose a townie if you lynch skoffin you lose a cop. You lose either way but if you lynch me you lose less

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:01 am

philh wrote: Why didn't you claim yesterday? The doctor could have protected you at night and we needed all the information we could get if it was LOYL.

As to cena, what was your reason for waiting? You didn't just ask us to wait for him to claim, you asked us to wait for you personally to pass judgement: "I ask that *no one* hammer him untill I have a chance to see the claim please." If we'd done that, we would have missed the deadline.

I did not claim yesterday as I knew exactly what would happen, as I'm sure you know as well. I would have lost my ability to find anything else, I wanted one more night to try to find scum. If I thought anyone who I had investigated were going to be lynched then I would have claimed. I tried to turn attention away from those people to both keep them alive and prevent me from having to claim.

Well, the hammer thing was just to help make sure no one hammered untill he claimed. People tend to get impatient and go on and do it anyway even if the person hasn't said a damn thing. And you would not have missed the deadline, as you seem to have left out the part where I had said that I would be back well before the deadline. As for my waiting, I wanted to find something out. Some mods like to give their scum 'safe claims', as Militant has not modded a game before I could not go look at privious games to find out. I wanted to see Cena's claim to learn how the mod did things. As it turns out.. I guess the scum do not have safe claims. Otherwise Cena would not have claimed my very role, I am Ranger #2 except I am not a plain townie. If you had read my posts early on you may have seen me hinting at such when I was adament that ET was telling the truth about his claim.

william18 wrote:Im tired of her stubborn incompetence.

Vote Skoffin

O rly? That's funny coming from you, you've had the shittiest play all game.

yorkiepeter · Post by **yorkiepeter** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:24 am

Hmm, well if you don't believe skoffin, then presumably iliad is her scum buddy. it maybe safer to lynch iliad first on the off chance that skoffin is cop. If Iliad turns out town then it would suggest that skoffin is indeed cop.

If as seems more likely iliad turns out to be scum then clearly skoffin is also scum and will certainly be lynched tomorrow.

The advantage of this is that we don't lynch skoffin until she gets a chance to prove cop....iliad's innocence will prove that and save us from lynching cop

Problem with that is if iliad is town and we lynch him to prove skoffin's claim it may be too late as scum may only need 1 more town to lynch.

I am still waiting for skoffin's other investigations before making my vote.

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:28 am

Skoffin wrote:
philh wrote: Why didn't you claim yesterday? The doctor could have protected you at night and we needed all the information we could get if it was LOYL.

As to cena, what was your reason for waiting? You didn't just ask us to wait for him to claim, you asked us to wait for you personally to pass judgement: "I ask that *no one* hammer him untill I have a chance to see the claim please." If we'd done that, we would have missed the deadline.

I did not claim yesterday as I knew exactly what would happen, as I'm sure you know as well. I would have lost my ability to find anything else, I wanted one more night to try to find scum. If I thought anyone who I had investigated were going to be lynched then I would have claimed. I tried to turn attention away from those people to both keep them alive and prevent me from having to claim.

Well, the hammer thing was just to help make sure no one hammered untill he claimed. People tend to get impatient and go on and do it anyway even if the person hasn't said a damn thing. And you would not have missed the deadline, as you seem to have left out the part where I had said that I would be back well before the deadline. As for my waiting, I wanted to find something out. Some mods like to give their scum 'safe claims', as Militant has not modded a game before I could not go look at privious games to find out. I wanted to see Cena's claim to learn how the mod did things. As it turns out.. I guess the scum do not have safe claims. Otherwise Cena would not have claimed my very role, I am Ranger #2 except I am not a plain townie. If you had read my posts early on you may have seen me hinting at such when I was adament that ET was telling the truth about his claim.

william18 wrote:Im tired of her stubborn incompetence.

Vote Skoffin

O rly? That's funny coming from you, you've had the shittiest play all game.

Post your frikkin investigation's for gods sake. Also you didn't return before the deadline, my hammer was a few minutes after the deadline was techinically over I think.

philh · Post by **philh** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:31 am

My reasons for not believing Cena's claim still stand. I also find it implausible that ranger #2 would be a cop while #1 is a tracker, which seems like a less important role.

Well, the hammer thing was just to help make sure no one hammered untill he claimed. People tend to get impatient and go on and do it anyway even if the person hasn't said a damn thing.
Yeah, but then you just have to say "don't hammer until he's claimed".

And you would not have missed the deadline, as you seem to have left out the part where I had said that I would be back well before the deadline.
No, I remember that part. I also remember that Ice hammered eight minutes after the deadline. We did miss it; where were you?

I am Ranger #2 except I am not a plain townie.
This still isn't a full claim. Did your PM really say nothing but "you are ranger #2, a cop. Each night etc."? And my reasons for disbelieving cena's claim stand.

Iliad wanting us to lynch him is interesting. It could be a desperate attempt to look innocent, but I think he's godfather and skoffin is roleblocker. We lynch him, skoffin doesn't look any dirtier than before. Maybe she can win on her own. Whereas if we lynch skoffin, all he can say is she forsaw her inevitable death and arranged for him to be next. Or perhaps Iliad has some sort of death power, but I don't know much about them.

philh · Post by **philh** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:32 am

This just in: proofreading helps avoid repetititiveness.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:29 pm

Back. Sorry I was more busy when away then I anticipated and couldn't get to a computer. If lynching Iliad were the play, it wouldn't be because skoffin investigated him. That would be a really bad play. I'm tempted to ask for skoffins other results because I'm not sure I fully believe her yet, but her day 1 move seems setup too far in advance to be scum. She played the role differently then I would have, for better or worse, if shes telling the truth.

Oh and I got blocked again, even though I hadn't sent in an action. Jokes on them.

Skoffin I'd greatly appreciate hearing your other results. Even if all you have is names of dead people.

william18 · Post by **william18** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:30 pm

ExplainThis wrote:Back. Sorry I was more busy when away then I anticipated and couldn't get to a computer. If lynching Iliad were the play, it wouldn't be because skoffin investigated him. That would be a really bad play. I'm tempted to ask for skoffins other results because I'm not sure I fully believe her yet, but her day 1 move seems setup too far in advance to be scum. She played the role differently then I would have, for better or worse, if shes telling the truth.

Oh and I got blocked again, even though I hadn't sent in an action. Jokes on them.

Skoffin I'd greatly appreciate hearing your other results. Even if all you have is names of dead people.

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ExplainThis is back!