1/16 Mafia *Game Over* 1 Left

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:29 pm

Just because he has the power to roleblock does not make him town fellas... I've been suspicious of Neut since day 1, if you don't believe me read back, I personally think he's playing a very good scum right now passing himself off as a townie and stand by my vote regardless of the FOS'es. Yes it was planned that he'd block LSU but that does not clear him.

We need to do something to get this game moving again, I've been suspicious of Neutrino for pretty much the whole game so I voted him. Show me an argument that makes more since and I'll consider changing but for the time being my vote stands.

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:38 pm

kalishnikov wrote:Just because he has the power to roleblock does not make him town fellas... I've been suspicious of Neut since day 1, if you don't believe me read back, I personally think he's playing a very good scum right now passing himself off as a townie and stand by my vote regardless of the FOS'es. Yes it was planned that he'd block LSU but that does not clear him.

We need to do something to get this game moving again, I've been suspicious of Neutrino for pretty much the whole game so I voted him. Show me an argument that makes more since and I'll consider changing but for the time being my vote stands.

that is true..also remember since when does chu use vanilla roles.

mmm. i however think without some further evidence...the neut thing can prolly be left alone for now

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:46 pm

Vote kalishnikov. Why keep voting for Neut? You are unnecessarily applying pressure to him when we was supposed to block LSU. If this wasn't going to clear him in your books why didn't you say something when it was being discussed.

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:06 pm

I think the fact that there was only one night kill and that it was on the Mafia Godfather makes it seem very interesting that we can say the mafia either got blocked or chose not to kill. Everyone knew or at least seem to expect that Neut would block LSU...so perhaps the mafia decided not to make a kill to therefore put suspicion on LSU and Neut because now that LSU says his target on ga7 was blocked because ga7 is still living.

Another interesting thought is that there must be some kind of vig or something that killed Russianfire. If LSU were to claim vig, then that would be suspicious as well considering Russianfire was killed.

We've had multiple roleblocking claims. Mandy was a vig, LSU could possibly be a vig, and yet someone night killed Russianfire. I think there's got to be some clues out of all of this. I will re-read tomorrow and see what I can find.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:49 am

Can the first page be updated please.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:55 am

I actually think we shouldn't just limit our line of sight towards Kalish and Neutrino, as we could miss something important in the way or the content of someones post.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:52 am

SK ML?

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:22 am

firth4eva wrote:SK ML?

I could see that as a possibility as well.

Okay so let's see here...it would seem that mafia were either blocked or chose not to kill. I think they chose not to kill because i blocked skittles and neutrino blocked LSU. Whether you all believe we have roleblocking power or not, it's out there, and with cena claiming to be a less powerful roleblocker I would doubt any other blockers are out there. This leads me to believe that mafia chose not to kill in order to get Neut or LSU lynched. so now the question is who pointed us in that direction?

kalishnikov wrote:Maybe Neutrino actually did block LSU last night, thing is that doesn't clear him from being scum. In fact it seems just as likely that Neut would be scum to block LSU, a.k.a. the known killer.

Unvote, something about the ML lynch doesn't feel right. His claim does seem a bit out there but it's a Fir game so I expect a few of us have unusual roles.

I believe this to be scummy in two ways from my point of view. First of all he says Neutrino is not cleared of being scum. Second, he says my lynch doesn't feel right. I know I'm not mafia, so he may have said that there to get me on his side and go after Neut, which BTW I almost did.

A little later diddle votes Neut, and kalish agrees. Why wouldn't kalish have just voted in the first place? Didn't want to be the first to vote? He also says "If you look to previous pages I've been suspicious of Neutrino for awhile" so he appears to be, in my mind, giving us a reason to maybe not suspect him IF Neut ends up lynched and comes up town.

Vote kalish

Does anyone agree with my thinking here?

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:28 am

I do however I believe I am already voting kalish for that.

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:50 am

Oh and I forgot to put an FOS on Crab for suggesting we lynch nag.

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:03 pm

MountainLion wrote:Oh and I forgot to put an FOS on Crab for suggesting we lynch nag.

Point out the mistake in my logic then?

diddle · Post by **diddle** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:06 pm

MountainLion wrote:
firth4eva wrote:SK ML?

I could see that as a possibility as well.

Okay so let's see here...it would seem that mafia were either blocked or chose not to kill. I think they chose not to kill because i blocked skittles and neutrino blocked LSU. Whether you all believe we have roleblocking power or not, it's out there, and with cena claiming to be a less powerful roleblocker I would doubt any other blockers are out there. This leads me to believe that mafia chose not to kill in order to get Neut or LSU lynched. so now the question is who pointed us in that direction?

Then that means we're looking for an active, and experienced mafia. Something like that is much more in depth than what the likes of Clive could come up with.

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:29 pm

CrabNebula wrote:
MountainLion wrote:Oh and I forgot to put an FOS on Crab for suggesting we lynch nag.

Point out the mistake in my logic then?

If nag is insane rather than naive, he can be useful.

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:45 pm

MountainLion wrote:
CrabNebula wrote:
MountainLion wrote:Oh and I forgot to put an FOS on Crab for suggesting we lynch nag.

Point out the mistake in my logic then?

If nag is insane rather than naive, he can be useful.

If he is insane then you are scum!

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:46 pm

What you think you should lynch me, just to find out my sanity crab? Or because you think I'm scum?

If I'm naive I'm vanilla townie but I can help everyone. I'll find out in my next investigations if I am insane or will be Nked. So if Lion is scum he won't have long left. :wink:

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:50 pm

No I do not think you are scum. It ML who I think is scum especially with the defense he came out with and the just "skimmed" post he made.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:51 pm

For like the 20th time, I'm voting Neutrino for 2 reasons:

1) He's been kinda scummy
2) I don't see a better alternative at the moment

ML my vote post offers the answer to your question. I voted him AFTER diddle hoping there'd be a bit of common consensus there and we could get this game moving again. Previous to that my suspicion of Neut had pretty much went unheeded.

If you guys are so adamant about Neutrino being town, give me one reason to unvote and I will. As of yet I've seen more evidence to suggest that he's scum then town so he gets my vote. Thats what we do in this game, right? Vote the people you think are scum?

FOS: firth Protecting your scum buddy, fellow Chap? (maybe not, thus why just an FOS)

Again, show me and argument that makes more sense, I'll unvote.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:36 pm

You bunch of submarining bastards.

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:47 pm

I keep waiting to hear other points of view, but get none.

diddle · Post by **diddle** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:51 am

Well then, vote neut, based on Kalish's points and a need to get this game moving.

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:00 am

Vote Kalish I swear you are acting more like a damn lyncher than anything else. Yes Neutrino did act a bit strange, but the fact remains that someone DID roleblock me last night when I tried to use my vigiliante power. For that reason alone, I'm not ready to just yet condemn Neut although it is possible there is a scum roleblocker.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:01 am

Am I the only one here who sees something going on between Kalish and diddle? They were the main two antagonists on my original bandwagon and here they both are again. Once one votes, the other isn't far after. Both managed to creatively mishear LSU's demands. In fact, they were the only two to do so.
I can understand the way Kalish breased his way past ML's points (he wants to live) but diddle flatly ignores ML's rather large and obvious post and goes straight on to agreeing with Kalish who says I should be lynched for, in essence, nothing.
Hell, if I had the inclination to look, I wouldn't be suprised if the Kalish-diddle Synchronised Voting Team joined other townies' bandwagons.

Unvote. Vote: diddle

He strikes me as the slightly more scummy, because of my last point. If he turns out to be scum, Kalish should probably follow him to the grave.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:17 am

I still think kalish is scummy and trying not to metagame but he did it in toher mafias too.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:36 pm

Has a game ever been played where I don't look scummy? No...

Whys that, you ask? Because I'm active and push for a lynch, each and every day. I'm not gonna submarine it out like you fools, I join the game to play the game and the guy who tries to keep the game moving always gets a scum rap.

AGAIN, find me someone who looks scummier then Neut and he will get my vote. Until then, my vote stays where it is.

You guys really wanna lynch one of 3 or so players that actually post on a daily basis?

firth: you fail to mention during your metagaming that the last number of games that you refer to, in which I've been pushing lynches , I've been town and they were slow just like this one. Theres one thing that makes a slow game active again, a lynch...

diddle · Post by **diddle** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:03 pm

Neutrino wrote:Am I the only one here who sees something going on between Kalish and diddle? They were the main two antagonists on my original bandwagon and here they both are again. Once one votes, the other isn't far after. Both managed to creatively mishear LSU's demands. In fact, they were the only two to do so.
I can understand the way Kalish breased his way past ML's points (he wants to live) but diddle flatly ignores ML's rather large and obvious post and goes straight on to agreeing with Kalish who says I should be lynched for, in essence, nothing.
Hell, if I had the inclination to look, I wouldn't be suprised if the Kalish-diddle Synchronised Voting Team joined other townies' bandwagons.

Unvote. Vote: diddle

He strikes me as the slightly more scummy, because of my last point. If he turns out to be scum, Kalish should probably follow him to the grave.

My vote for Neutrino was 2 days (RL) and 3 pages after Kalish's.

And I haven't ignored ML's posts, I just chose to believe Kalish, as I thought his points were better than ML's. But then again, you would try and point the finger at me, being one of the people to vote you. Hell, if ML had made Kalish's points I'm sure you'd be going after anyone who voted after him.