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Skittles! wrote:Yeah, and that's pathetic. "Hey, if you won't give us information to arrest some people, WE'LL ARREST YOU TOO! It's a win-win situation"
what,me worry? wrote:
Cheney shot someone in the face hunting. Real safe
what,me worry? wrote:]Grooveman2007 wrote:Lucky Se7en wrote:what,me worry? wrote:Snitches get stiches
Snitches are bitches [period]
So a concerned citizen who wants to prevent future crimes is a bitch? Tell that to victims of rape/murder/mugging. Yeah, as I said before, if you don't snitch on someone and they go on to hurt someone, you're just as responsible as they are. If you can live with that, fine.
No one was raped or murdered. Im sure it was 2 kids on probation who had dope ion their system and didnt want to go back to jail. who in their position wouldnt run and break my fence? Everything worked out for everyone. they didnt get caught, i get a new fence, we both get to sleep in our beds and get some p*ssy 2nite. stop being a b*tch
HayesA wrote:Okay, so, lets see the worst of the situation. I snitch, and the bad guys find out. From there, on of two things can happen. 1. They tell their buddies, and they come and beat me up. Or, B. They GET OFF, and come after me. So they come and beat me up. I call the cops, and have them arrested. This time it's a sure thing they're sent away. A criminal's word against mine?
Either way, they're arrested, and it's one or two less criminals. If the worst happen, I may get hurt. big deal. I've been hurt before.
, I agree with the no-snitching policy, possible exception being if the criminals hurt someone that you care about.
Talapus wrote:I'm far more pissed that mandy and his thought process were right from the get go....damn you mandy.
cawck mongler wrote:Your only option is to quit and become an anti-American Nazi that plays risk.
heavycola wrote:Snorri1234 wrote:Man, this thread was great. A whopping 230 pages with noone changing their viewpoint.
I actually converted around page 198. Unfortunately, I converted to satanism.
HungrySomali wrote:OMG, you are the sorriest excuse for a contrived thug I have ever come across. Letting the police know that two people ran through your yard and which way they went is not snitching. Getting busted with an 8 ball and ratting out your dealer to get a lighter sentence is snitching. See the difference? I am probably as far from being a police sympathizer as there is but would have no qualms about telling the police about two idiots dropping a gun in my yard. The whole snitching thing is about loyalty and looking out for your own, you obviously have taken this sentiment and distorted it to fit your little fantasy world of you-vs-the man. As Ice-T once said, "Shit aint like that". Grow up kid.
kalishnikov wrote:HayesA wrote:Okay, so, lets see the worst of the situation. I snitch, and the bad guys find out. From there, on of two things can happen. 1. They tell their buddies, and they come and beat me up. Or, B. They GET OFF, and come after me. So they come and beat me up. I call the cops, and have them arrested. This time it's a sure thing they're sent away. A criminal's word against mine?
Either way, they're arrested, and it's one or two less criminals. If the worst happen, I may get hurt. big deal. I've been hurt before.
In State College, perhaps when you snitch you do just get beat up but in other places (even your own state) you get far worse then that. 3 kids got killed getting of the school bus here (Pittsburgh) 2 years ago at 3pm in the middle of downtown because they snitched on small-time gang and one of them got it in his head and took care of business. When you can get hit in broad daylight in downtown in a small city like Pittsburgh, it seems to me the best course is to keep your mouth shut.
Don't make enemies and you stay alive, period. I think most people here with their pro-snitching outlook don't live in a place where you will get consequences from your actions, and by consequences I mean bullets.
HayesA wrote:kalishnikov wrote:HayesA wrote:Okay, so, lets see the worst of the situation. I snitch, and the bad guys find out. From there, on of two things can happen. 1. They tell their buddies, and they come and beat me up. Or, B. They GET OFF, and come after me. So they come and beat me up. I call the cops, and have them arrested. This time it's a sure thing they're sent away. A criminal's word against mine?
Either way, they're arrested, and it's one or two less criminals. If the worst happen, I may get hurt. big deal. I've been hurt before.
In State College, perhaps when you snitch you do just get beat up but in other places (even your own state) you get far worse then that. 3 kids got killed getting of the school bus here (Pittsburgh) 2 years ago at 3pm in the middle of downtown because they snitched on small-time gang and one of them got it in his head and took care of business. When you can get hit in broad daylight in downtown in a small city like Pittsburgh, it seems to me the best course is to keep your mouth shut.
Don't make enemies and you stay alive, period. I think most people here with their pro-snitching outlook don't live in a place where you will get consequences from your actions, and by consequences I mean bullets.
My point remains the same. Murder is just a step up from a beating. If it's murder, then it's almost guaranteed they're going to get caught and sentenced to death them selves. Few actually get away with murder.
kalishnikov wrote:HayesA wrote:Okay, so, lets see the worst of the situation. I snitch, and the bad guys find out. From there, on of two things can happen. 1. They tell their buddies, and they come and beat me up. Or, B. They GET OFF, and come after me. So they come and beat me up. I call the cops, and have them arrested. This time it's a sure thing they're sent away. A criminal's word against mine?
Either way, they're arrested, and it's one or two less criminals. If the worst happen, I may get hurt. big deal. I've been hurt before.
In State College, perhaps when you snitch you do just get beat up but in other places (even your own state) you get far worse then that. 3 kids got killed getting of the school bus here (Pittsburgh) 2 years ago at 3pm in the middle of downtown because they snitched on small-time gang and one of them got it in his head and took care of business. When you can get hit in broad daylight in downtown in a small city like Pittsburgh, it seems to me the best course is to keep your mouth shut.
Don't make enemies and you stay alive, period. I think most people here with their pro-snitching outlook don't live in a place where you will get consequences from your actions, and by consequences I mean bullets.
Grooveman2007 wrote:got tonkaed wrote:SolidLuigi wrote:got tonkaed wrote:i am all for you not snitching and invite people who automatically assume the opposite to question whether or not that there is a cultural class distinction that makes you feel that you must respond that way.
I mean its a fence folks....lets get some perspective.
If it were just some kids messing around and ruining a fence I'd say who cares. But the OP clearly said the cops said they were already on probation and they ditched a gun in the front yard so they weren't exactly harmless
clearly the number of things you can end up on probation for and the fact that they have a gun, doesnt make them dangers to society, and in fact a large number of the things your likely to get put on probation for, are very class based, almost antagonisitically so.
In that type of situation, im not saying anything to the cops either.
It's class based because of desparity. The two guys probably didn't have anything else to turn to except crime. Face it, when people are backed into corners, they do desperate things. So unless we eliminate class (doesn't work, been tried) there will always be class differences. That's primarily why most crime is in the inner city. It doesn't matter if someone is rich or poor, if they do things like that, they're a danger to society and deserve to be adequately punished. And not snitching only endanger society more.
heavycola wrote:caliboi2009 wrote:u guys don't understand it is the BAY AREA!!!!!! u will get shot if they find out who snitched.
Does this apply in any bay area? What about Morecambe Bay? Or Cockleshell Bay? I'm pretty sure there weren't any guns there. But it was all a while ago.
SolidLuigi wrote:kalishnikov wrote:HayesA wrote:Okay, so, lets see the worst of the situation. I snitch, and the bad guys find out. From there, on of two things can happen. 1. They tell their buddies, and they come and beat me up. Or, B. They GET OFF, and come after me. So they come and beat me up. I call the cops, and have them arrested. This time it's a sure thing they're sent away. A criminal's word against mine?
Either way, they're arrested, and it's one or two less criminals. If the worst happen, I may get hurt. big deal. I've been hurt before.
In State College, perhaps when you snitch you do just get beat up but in other places (even your own state) you get far worse then that. 3 kids got killed getting of the school bus here (Pittsburgh) 2 years ago at 3pm in the middle of downtown because they snitched on small-time gang and one of them got it in his head and took care of business. When you can get hit in broad daylight in downtown in a small city like Pittsburgh, it seems to me the best course is to keep your mouth shut.
Don't make enemies and you stay alive, period. I think most people here with their pro-snitching outlook don't live in a place where you will get consequences from your actions, and by consequences I mean bullets.
Kalashnikov you have a good point. As I stated before though, my main reason for debating against WMW is because he was proudly touting the "No Snitching" motto around. If he described what you just did about there being a very real chance for revenge and that he would like to help the police and get rid of these criminals but he chose not to because he is in fear of the revenge, then I wouldn't have a problem. I understand there are rough areas like that. I am debating against the fact that he was proud of it, which shows that he doesn't care about the consequences of those criminals going free.
Also, about WMW's update of the criminals getting caught. To think that because you were sure they would get caught anyways so you didn't tell the cops anything, makes it OK; is the same as someone throwing a pile of garbage on the ground and leaving it because they are sure someone will pick it up. Both are wrong.
nesterdude wrote:Grooveman2007 wrote:got tonkaed wrote:SolidLuigi wrote:got tonkaed wrote:i am all for you not snitching and invite people who automatically assume the opposite to question whether or not that there is a cultural class distinction that makes you feel that you must respond that way.
I mean its a fence folks....lets get some perspective.
If it were just some kids messing around and ruining a fence I'd say who cares. But the OP clearly said the cops said they were already on probation and they ditched a gun in the front yard so they weren't exactly harmless
clearly the number of things you can end up on probation for and the fact that they have a gun, doesnt make them dangers to society, and in fact a large number of the things your likely to get put on probation for, are very class based, almost antagonisitically so.
In that type of situation, im not saying anything to the cops either.
It's class based because of desparity. The two guys probably didn't have anything else to turn to except crime. Face it, when people are backed into corners, they do desperate things. So unless we eliminate class (doesn't work, been tried) there will always be class differences. That's primarily why most crime is in the inner city. It doesn't matter if someone is rich or poor, if they do things like that, they're a danger to society and deserve to be adequately punished. And not snitching only endanger society more.
This is so stupid it practically drools.
Dude, I'm not discounting the fact that there is a relationship between disparity and crime, but in your comment you put all criminals in the realm of OK by saying that their hands are forced by the "system"
Bah, let's talk about personal responsibility, decision making, values, etc.
To absolve a criminal of responsibility because there is a class structure (and in said class structure those living in disparity should strive to the next tier of the caste, not be weak and resort to crime, but the uneducated are often too stupid to realize that) is absolutely giving in to the same liberal dribble that allows thieves to sue home owners when the thief is injured on the property while committing a crime.
Let's just face it: if there were no class levels, there would be nothing to push people to work harder, achieve and challenge the status quo.
So, let's not immediately assume that these people were "forced" into a life of crime. They have choices and chose to go that way.
Oh, finally, please tell me what you know about the "inner city," or did you read that most crime happens there from a text book?
what,me worry? wrote:
Pretty much the only person on here who knows whats up. Unless your from DC, chicago, LA, etc. you have no clue beside what the media feeds you
what,me worry? wrote:I kept my values intact
