medieval Zwolle (a dutch city)

[zimmah]

i posted this in the official map idea's topic and i think there is interest for this

i am personally not good at making maps, but i think this will make a nice map, i will post more information in this topic soon.



The modern city was founded around 800 A.D. by Frisian merchants and troops of Charlemagne.


for more information visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwolle

[Unit_2]

looks like a cool idea, although it needs alot of work...

[zimmah]

looks like a cool idea, although it needs alot of work...

this is an actual map dating from 1652, it's not a risk map, that's what i'm looking for, someone who can make a CC map out of this city

[a-person1192]

we dont have any names to go off of for territories.

[zimmah]

we dont have any names to go off of for territories.

maybe the street names? or important buildings, like markets, churches?

[Sir. Ricco]

I think you have a very good start. The graphics are problem going to need a complete make over. Just my thoughts. Oh yea, I need a penny.

[jasnostj]

Zwolle??? How provincial is that? Why not pick something a little bit better known to non-Dutch people, a bit more metropolitan? Medieval Amsterdam sounds like a great idea. I could help you with the historical background (I am not a map artist).

[benny profane]

i think this would make a great map.
i would include the plains/farmlands surrounding the city, and keep the medieval theme.
gameplay would be similar to seige, one of my favorite maps.

if i wasn't busy with NYC, i would do this.
and if no one picks it up, i might try it further down the line...

[Lone.prophet]

i agree with jasnotsj, which non dutch person ever heard of zwolle?

you could better try amsterdam its the same in many ways only cut in half by a river

[jasnostj]

i agree with jasnotsj, which non dutch person ever heard of zwolle?

you could better try amsterdam its the same in many ways only cut in half by a river

There you go (sorry, a bit big):

[gimil]

Hi zimmah,

Do you intent to carry out this idea on your own? If not im afriad ill have to move this thread in with map ideas thread. That would be a shame this this seem to be generating some discussion.

[zimmah]

Zwolle??? How provincial is that? Why not pick something a little bit better known to non-Dutch people, a bit more metropolitan? Medieval Amsterdam sounds like a great idea. I could help you with the historical background (I am not a map artist).

zwolle is a big city with history, and in 1652 it was actually maybe bigger then amsterdam, and it looks a lot cooler, because it was a 'fortified city' like we had a lot in holland especially around 1600-1800

[zimmah]

Hi zimmah,

Do you intent to carry out this idea on your own? If not im afriad ill have to move this thread in with map ideas thread. That would be a shame this this seem to be generating some discussion.

i would, but i lack the time and the knowledge

[jasnostj]

zwolle is a big city with history, and in 1652 it was actually maybe bigger then amsterdam, and it looks a lot cooler, because it was a 'fortified city' like we had a lot in holland especially around 1600-1800

FYI, I am Dutch too.

Zwolle may have been bigger and more important then, being one of the cities in the Hanseatic league, but what counts is the appeal to the CC community nowadays. I'm sure Amsterdam has more appeal than Zwolle.

About the fortifications: almost ALL cities had them (The Hague being one of the very few exceptions), including Amsterdam, ofcourse. Building fortifications was one of the rights cities had over villages. Amsterdam became the capital after the independence of the Dutch Republic in 1642, and the leading financial centre of the world during the 17th century (losing much of its wealth again in the many following wars with England and France). Enough reason to not only heavily fortify the city, but to be the only city to get a new defensive ring around the city in the 19th century (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stelling_van_Amsterdam) after medieval fortifications had become useless for defense and had been taken down.

[Ogrecrusher]

Map beginning with Z ftw!

[Wisse]

Zwolle, thats 30km away from me
but the map looks a llot like an other important city in history with an incredible defence... not sure which one it was

[Lone.prophet]

it looks like all (well almost) dutch cities from that time

[zimmah]

Zwolle, thats 30km away from me
but the map looks a llot like an other important city in history with an incredible defence... not sure which one it was

probably Naarden, which has simular defence lines, but is historically less important then Zwolle (or one of the other 10 cities or so with simular defences, i guess typically dutch, haven't seen them anywhere else at least!)

the point i wanted to make a map out of Zwolle is because i want to show the world our incredible medieval defence systems actually

[zimmah]

it looks like all (well almost) dutch cities from that time

that's excactly the point lol, i want to show holland as something else then cheese and wooden shoes (hell wouldn't a wooden shoes map be a nice CC map? )