Europa [Quenched]

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:47 pm

Turkey is not colored in the map key. And to be honest it strained my eyes a little bit when I looked at it.

Post by **iancanton** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:08 pm

MrBenn wrote:I dislike the idea of grouping countries by language-origins, and propose to have Italy+SM+VC as a new 3-terr continent called "Italy" or "Italia" or something, and to have The Alps reappear as an impassable.

yes, do reinstate the alps. italy does not belong in central europe, unless u call that continent "axis powers". if u create a 3-territory italia, then there will be too many small continents, so why don't u include sardinia and sicily as part of italia (with a sea route from sardinia to italy)? these two islands can also be part of the med islands continent at the same time.

the islands off turkey ought to be blue, not brown, since they belong to greece. alternatively, they can be orange if u want to put them in med islands.

ian.

Post by **iancanton** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:32 pm

MrBenn wrote:The country abbreviations probably do need a bit of refining... I have tried to use official 2-digit country codes in a couple of places, but have been fairly inconsistent with them!

the official iso country codes are:
BA: bosnia & herzegovina (not herzegovinia)
LU: luxembourg
LI: liechtenstein
ME: montenegro
MK: macedonia
SI: slovenia
SM: san marino
VA: vatican city
KGD: kaliningrad (no 2-digit code because neither independent nor autonomous)

http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/is ... ements.htm

there are only two places shown on our map that are recognised with official 2-digit iso country codes, but which currently have no part in the gameplay. to be consistent, can u make them territories?

IM: isle of man (self-governing island between england and northern ireland)
AX: åland - also spelt aaland (demilitarised island between finland and sweden)

ian.

jako · Post by **jako** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:00 pm

is it just me or is sicily too close to teh italian mainland? is it suppose to be touching italy?

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:43 pm

Well, I've taken a couple of days away from map-making (been a bit busy with life!), and have finally got another Update:

Update 11

The big changes I've made are:
-I've drawn in the Alps
-Splintered Mainland Italy into a continent
-Switched some continent colours around
-Updated the Continent names and provisional bonuses

There're plenty of minor tweaks I've made, including:
-I've redrawn several bits of border; including Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Armenia and Siciliy
-Adjusted sea routes
-Wrote 'To Do' on the minimap
-Thought about extra Med Islands bonuses, and put an explanation on the map

I'm sure there's more bits, but I can't think of them right now!

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:42 pm

What hepend with European tyrkey,and Crete?

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:20 am

Turkey includes the European part of Turkey, and Crete is still a Meditteranean Island.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:23 am

The purple on the legend is really hard to read..

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:26 am

there are only two places shown on our map that are recognised with official 2-digit iso country codes, but which currently have no part in the gameplay. to be consistent, can u make them territories?

IM: isle of man (self-governing island between england and northern ireland)
AX: åland - also spelt aaland (demilitarised island between finland and sweden)

I had a good hard think about this, and have decided aginst including these additional islands as territories, due to space considerations.

There is not enough room on the large map to have the Isle of Man as it's own territory, and there is definately not going to be enough room on the small one. There is probably slightly more room to fit Aaland in, but I would still struggle on the small map.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:28 am

Good looking map MrBenn. I love the look and look forward to this being playable.

I do have a question (I don't know if it was already brought up).
Every territory is a region of land surrounded by a border except teh SM and Vat. territories. What borders those two? Do you need to hold italy and then attack SM and them Vat.? I think to avoid confusion you might want to put borders in Italy dividing it into those 3 regions. Just a thought.

Plus the black outer glow int eh legend is too thick and dark. It makes the blue and purple text hard to read.

WM

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:40 am

Thanks WM.

Yes, San Marino (SM) and Vatican City (Vat.) are microstates - both bordering Italy only - and not regions of Italy.

I'm thinking that Kaliningrad (Kgd.) and Italy should start neutral, so that Transcontinental Europe and Italy can't be held from the drop. Transcontinental has a high bonus as it will b otherwise hard to take and keep - Italy because it is easy to hold (although it only borders 'difficult' continents).

Nobody has mentioned the outline of the legend text yet; but you're right, it does need to be amended... I'll put it on the To Do list!

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:49 am

Does Monaco attack Corsica - or is that France?

C.

Riazor · Post by **Riazor** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:03 am

Do Sicily and Italy connect? I assume they do, but there is no visible sea route.

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:37 am

yeti_c wrote:Does Monaco attack Corsica - or is that France?

C.

Yes - the attack route is Monaco - Corsica. Do you think it should be France? I wanted to have it to Monaco as a) Monaco has a famous marina, and b) otherwise France is pretty much all you need to hold Western Europe...

Riazor wrote:Do Sicily and Italy connect? I assume they do, but there is no visible sea route.

Yes - they do connect. I had the borders touching on an earlier draft, but adjusted them as they do not connect in reality. Do you think I should draw a sea route, or reconnect the land borders??

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:48 am

MrBenn wrote:
yeti_c wrote:Does Monaco attack Corsica - or is that France?

C.

Yes - the attack route is Monaco - Corsica. Do you think it should be France? I wanted to have it to Monaco as a) Monaco has a famous marina, and b) otherwise France is pretty much all you need to hold Western Europe...

No I like that it's Monaco only - but I can see it being a problem for people not understanding... but how to make it more clear?

C.

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:01 am

yeti_c wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
yeti_c wrote:Does Monaco attack Corsica - or is that France?

C.

Yes - the attack route is Monaco - Corsica. Do you think it should be France? I wanted to have it to Monaco as a) Monaco has a famous marina, and b) otherwise France is pretty much all you need to hold Western Europe...

No I like that it's Monaco only - but I can see it being a problem for people not understanding... but how to make it more clear?

C.

I could always make Monaco a bit bigger... this will help to (a) clear up the ocean route, and (b) make Monaco easier to see, and (c) help with the small map...

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:57 am

MrBenn wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
yeti_c wrote:Does Monaco attack Corsica - or is that France?

C.

Yes - the attack route is Monaco - Corsica. Do you think it should be France? I wanted to have it to Monaco as a) Monaco has a famous marina, and b) otherwise France is pretty much all you need to hold Western Europe...

No I like that it's Monaco only - but I can see it being a problem for people not understanding... but how to make it more clear?

C.

I could always make Monaco a bit bigger... this will help to (a) clear up the ocean route, and (b) make Monaco easier to see, and (c) help with the small map...

Sounds like a plan.

C.

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:34 am

Good. I'll add it to the To Do list!

Edit: Done!

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:46 pm

Update 23

-Made Monaco Bigger

Still To Do:
-Make Monaco slightly bigger
-Update the mini-map in the legend
-The dark glow around the legend text needs amending
-Finalise continent groupings
-Decide bonus structure
-Think some more about the small map
-Any other things that people notice!

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:57 pm

Do sicily and italy conenct?

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:37 am

MrBenn wrote:
Riazor wrote:Do Sicily and Italy connect? I assume they do, but there is no visible sea route.

Yes - they do connect. I had the borders touching on an earlier draft, but adjusted them as they do not connect in reality. Do you think I should draw a sea route, or reconnect the land borders??

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:01 am

What's the Paw with BP in it for?

C.

Ogrecrusher · Post by **Ogrecrusher** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:21 am

Italy smells like a +1 bonus to me. It's akin to Lux on Benelux

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:44 am

yeti_c wrote:What's the Paw with BP in it for?

It's my 'signature'...

Ogrecrusher wrote:Italy smells like a +1 bonus to me. It's akin to Lux on Benelux

At last, some gameplay discussion!
I'm still partially undecided on the bonuses I've assigned, and Italy is one of them...
I'm thinking that Italy will start neutral, so that nobody can start with it from the drop. There isn't anywhere easy to expand to from Italy, and I'm not sure whether to give it a 1 or 2...
What do others think?

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:11 am

MrBenn...forgive me for not trolling all the way back through the thread if this has already been discussed,,,but how is this going to go for downsizing to the small map...are the armies going to fit onto some of these smaller terts.

Also the Slovakia word would be covered possibly by triple digit armies...do you have a contingency for that?