9/11 Conspiracies(threads merged)

[DaGip]

Apparently you have not seen this video, this is what I am banking my money on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pow5_UYK ... re=related

[DaGip]

Ahhhh, the second best load of crap i've heard all year!!!!! Come on you conspiracy freaks, the gov. did not set up 9/11. For all the fools that think this is true, here let me help you out. 9/11 was caused by terrorists, plain and simple, that and the lack of security that we should have already had in place in our airports and to this day don't........so there, now your all set, go back to your rooms now and start looking for the real killer JFK....

Found him!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0

[Iliad]

Alright, enough, we get it already. Blah, blah, blah ... controlled demolition ... temperature of burning jet fuel ... explosions ... free-fall faster than terminal velocity. Let me know if I missed anything.

You know what, just for fun, lets say you're right. Lets assume that the buildings did undergo a controlled demolition, the sounds in fact were bombs, ect. Even if this was the case, why does the government have to be responsible for it? Perhaps terrorists planted bombs to do the actual damage, but used the planes to cause doubt and suspicion to spread through people such as yourself and cause the people to doubt the government. This would then lead them to speak out against the government and cause unrest, ultimately leading to a weaker government that takes less action in foreign policy and regulation of the nation.

Isn't the crazed international conspiracy just as likely to come from the opposite side of the argument?

lol...yeah imagine hundreds of arabs going inside the towers to set it up.....unnoticed! Now THAT is nutty!


And it still wouldn't explain why our air force stood down!

are you saying if they weren't arabs they wouldn't be noticed?

EDIT: jay there are 2 planes flying above a city what the f*ck was the airforce supposed to do?

[Jenos Ridan]

And another thing, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. YOU ARE GETTING A NEW PRESIDENT SOON, SO JUST STFU.

Sorry for the caps, it's just fucking annoying.

Heck, I'm an American and I'm even getting annoyed.

9-11 was real people, wake up!

[jay_a2j]

Heck, I'm an American and I'm even getting annoyed.

9-11 was real people, wake up!

Sad, really sad. The government sold its story with the help of the media... and so many bought it, hook, line and sinker. I can sympathize, I was fooled too but you better wake up soon before you wake up to something that resembles Germany in the early 40's. As a result of 911 look what the government has done to our freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism.


EXECUTIVE ORDERS

[Frigidus]

And another thing, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. YOU ARE GETTING A NEW PRESIDENT SOON, SO JUST STFU.

Sorry for the caps, it's just fucking annoying.

Heck, I'm an American and I'm even getting annoyed.

9-11 was real people, wake up!

Do you mean 9/11 happened or that it was a lie? Because, seriously, I'm losing more and more faith in the average American.

I once again pose the question: If you're so damn sure, why aren't doing anything? Aside from rallying support in forums, I would either A. March on Washington (peacefully of course, otherwise they'd taze me, bro) or B. Leave the country.

I'm not saying "Love America or leave it" or anything on that level of stupidity, but considering our abysmal health care system, receding economy, high violence levels, general obesity, downright stupidity, and apparently our corrupt and treacherous government pretty much any other country looks great.

[Norse]

Americans, just get over it already! Does it really matter if the government set up 9/11? NO, because it is the past....

I'm glad that you aren't being serious here.

[J-Duds]

How many minutes elapsed between the first tower being hit and the second? The FAA knew 4 planes had been hi-jacked. Our fighter planes remained on the ground.... they could have been in the air in minutes following the first tower collision. Yet.....they stood down.....

These threads are better than stand-up comedy.

Conspiracy theories are everywhere when people have little solid, undeniable proof about the buildings being destroyed by the government. What do you think would have happened if the military directly ordered its jets to shoot down planes full of innocent people when they had no idea they would later be used as suicide bombs?

[DaGip]

And another thing, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. YOU ARE GETTING A NEW PRESIDENT SOON, SO JUST STFU.

Sorry for the caps, it's just fucking annoying.

Heck, I'm an American and I'm even getting annoyed.

9-11 was real people, wake up!

Do you mean 9/11 happened or that it was a lie? Because, seriously, I'm losing more and more faith in the average American.

I once again pose the question: If you're so damn sure, why aren't doing anything? Aside from rallying support in forums, I would either A. March on Washington (peacefully of course, otherwise they'd taze me, bro) or B. Leave the country.

I'm not saying "Love America or leave it" or anything on that level of stupidity, but considering our abysmal health care system, receding economy, high violence levels, general obesity, downright stupidity, and apparently our corrupt and treacherous government pretty much any other country looks great.

I'm moving to Lakota Nation! That way I can stay inside the USA and inside my own state...I wouldn't be far from home at all...

[Kaplowitz]

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[Iliad]

Alright, enough, we get it already. Blah, blah, blah ... controlled demolition ... temperature of burning jet fuel ... explosions ... free-fall faster than terminal velocity. Let me know if I missed anything.

You know what, just for fun, lets say you're right. Lets assume that the buildings did undergo a controlled demolition, the sounds in fact were bombs, ect. Even if this was the case, why does the government have to be responsible for it? Perhaps terrorists planted bombs to do the actual damage, but used the planes to cause doubt and suspicion to spread through people such as yourself and cause the people to doubt the government. This would then lead them to speak out against the government and cause unrest, ultimately leading to a weaker government that takes less action in foreign policy and regulation of the nation.

Isn't the crazed international conspiracy just as likely to come from the opposite side of the argument?

lol...yeah imagine hundreds of arabs going inside the towers to set it up.....unnoticed! Now THAT is nutty!


And it still wouldn't explain why our air force stood down!

are you saying if they weren't arabs they wouldn't be noticed?

EDIT: jay there are 2 planes flying above a city what the f*ck was the airforce supposed to do?

Funny how jay chose not to address this post

[jay_a2j]

EDIT: jay there are 2 planes flying above a city what the f*ck was the airforce supposed to do?

BECAUSE YOU ADDED THE EDIT.




What was it like 20 minutes? 40 minutes? Between 1st tower and 2nd tower? Are you implying that the tower wouldn't have collapsed had the second plane not hit?


Which is the greater loss? The passengers aboard plane 1 ? Or 1,500 in tower 1? Do the math. After the 1st plane hit tower 1 the US should of AT LEAST tried to get some fighters up in the air to try and guide, tail, chaperon or destroy the other 3 hi-jacked planes but they sat on the ground instead.

[-ShadySoul-]

TL/DR
summary for the lazy people, please?

The gov set-up 9/11

Americans, just get over it already! Does it really matter if the government set up 9/11? NO, because it is the past. Just STFU about it already, NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU CONSPIRACY IDIOTS HAVE TO FUCKING SAY.

AHHHHH
SKittles, you speak the truth brothar.

[DaGip]

TL/DR
summary for the lazy people, please?

The gov set-up 9/11

Americans, just get over it already! Does it really matter if the government set up 9/11? NO, because it is the past. Just STFU about it already, NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU CONSPIRACY IDIOTS HAVE TO FUCKING SAY.

AHHHHH
SKittles, you speak the truth brothar.

UglyDog Conspiracy Video

[Jenos Ridan]

And another thing, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. YOU ARE GETTING A NEW PRESIDENT SOON, SO JUST STFU.

Sorry for the caps, it's just fucking annoying.

Heck, I'm an American and I'm even getting annoyed.

9-11 was real people, wake up!

Do you mean 9/11 happened or that it was a lie? Because, seriously, I'm losing more and more faith in the average American.

I once again pose the question: If you're so damn sure, why aren't doing anything? Aside from rallying support in forums, I would either A. March on Washington (peacefully of course, otherwise they'd taze me, bro) or B. Leave the country.

I'm not saying "Love America or leave it" or anything on that level of stupidity, but considering our abysmal health care system, receding economy, high violence levels, general obesity, downright stupidity, and apparently our corrupt and treacherous government pretty much any other country looks great.

I meant that 9-11 was real, genius. I'm sick and tired of the conspiricy theorists blabbering on about what can only be what it was: A FRIGGIN' Terrorist Attack! Same goes for those JFK Theorists: Lee Harvey Osward shot him, end of story.

As for "Love it or Leave it", I'll go as far to say that if ALL you're going to do is whine, then LEAVE: I don't want to hear it anymore! Crying over spilled milk never solved anything. Pull your self up by your bootstraps and start going something about it, even if it means digging out a bomb shelter for yourself and loved ones. I don't care if you love it, just try to fix it! That's all I ask.

And if you're going to scream at me because I hurt your feelings, read closely: cry my a river, build a bridge and get your sorry self over it!

[Snorri1234]

Which is the greater loss? The passengers aboard plane 1 ? Or 1,500 in tower 1? Do the math. After the 1st plane hit tower 1 the US should of AT LEAST tried to get some fighters up in the air to try and guide, tail, chaperon or destroy the other 3 hi-jacked planes but they sat on the ground instead.

A.) I doubt they had much of an idea where the planes were exactly.
B.) Chaperoning the planes wouldn't have worked, these terrorists were suiciders. So the only option would have been shooting them down, which meant shooting down a huge plane above a big city where it would most certainly cause lots of casualties.

[jay_a2j]

Which is the greater loss? The passengers aboard plane 1 ? Or 1,500 in tower 1? Do the math. After the 1st plane hit tower 1 the US should of AT LEAST tried to get some fighters up in the air to try and guide, tail, chaperon or destroy the other 3 hi-jacked planes but they sat on the ground instead.

A.) I doubt they had much of an idea where the planes were exactly.
B.) Chaperoning the planes wouldn't have worked, these terrorists were suiciders. So the only option would have been shooting them down, which meant shooting down a huge plane above a big city where it would most certainly cause lots of casualties.

They had them on radar, they knew exactly where they were even BEFORE they got to the city. You may be right, the only option may have been to shoot them down, but they weren't "over the city" the entire time. Why spend time making up excuses for our government instead of addressing the sheer stupidity of their actions (or inactions)?

[heavycola]

Which is the greater loss? The passengers aboard plane 1 ? Or 1,500 in tower 1? Do the math. After the 1st plane hit tower 1 the US should of AT LEAST tried to get some fighters up in the air to try and guide, tail, chaperon or destroy the other 3 hi-jacked planes but they sat on the ground instead.

A.) I doubt they had much of an idea where the planes were exactly.
B.) Chaperoning the planes wouldn't have worked, these terrorists were suiciders. So the only option would have been shooting them down, which meant shooting down a huge plane above a big city where it would most certainly cause lots of casualties.

They had them on radar, they knew exactly where they were even BEFORE they got to the city. You may be right, the only option may have been to shoot them down, but they weren't "over the city" the entire time. Why spend time making up excuses for our government instead of addressing the sheer stupidity of their actions (or inactions)?

Now hang on jay. Is the government incredibly stupid, as you say here, or did they organise the biggest terrorist attack in history - on their own people - and hoodwink the entire world?
These do not compute.

[jay_a2j]

Which is the greater loss? The passengers aboard plane 1 ? Or 1,500 in tower 1? Do the math. After the 1st plane hit tower 1 the US should of AT LEAST tried to get some fighters up in the air to try and guide, tail, chaperon or destroy the other 3 hi-jacked planes but they sat on the ground instead.

A.) I doubt they had much of an idea where the planes were exactly.
B.) Chaperoning the planes wouldn't have worked, these terrorists were suiciders. So the only option would have been shooting them down, which meant shooting down a huge plane above a big city where it would most certainly cause lots of casualties.

They had them on radar, they knew exactly where they were even BEFORE they got to the city. You may be right, the only option may have been to shoot them down, but they weren't "over the city" the entire time. Why spend time making up excuses for our government instead of addressing the sheer stupidity of their actions (or inactions)?

Now hang on jay. Is the government incredibly stupid, as you say here, or did they organise the biggest terrorist attack in history - on their own people - and hoodwink the entire world?
These do not compute.

The stupidity leads you to the realization that they aren't stupid and that they were responsible for the attacks.

[heavycola]

Which is the greater loss? The passengers aboard plane 1 ? Or 1,500 in tower 1? Do the math. After the 1st plane hit tower 1 the US should of AT LEAST tried to get some fighters up in the air to try and guide, tail, chaperon or destroy the other 3 hi-jacked planes but they sat on the ground instead.

A.) I doubt they had much of an idea where the planes were exactly.
B.) Chaperoning the planes wouldn't have worked, these terrorists were suiciders. So the only option would have been shooting them down, which meant shooting down a huge plane above a big city where it would most certainly cause lots of casualties.

They had them on radar, they knew exactly where they were even BEFORE they got to the city. You may be right, the only option may have been to shoot them down, but they weren't "over the city" the entire time. Why spend time making up excuses for our government instead of addressing the sheer stupidity of their actions (or inactions)?

Now hang on jay. Is the government incredibly stupid, as you say here, or did they organise the biggest terrorist attack in history - on their own people - and hoodwink the entire world?
These do not compute.

The stupidity leads you to the realization that they aren't stupid and that they were responsible for the attacks.

Rarely have you made less sense. Also, why are you never camming?

[unriggable]

Experts say 9/11 was caused by our government? Experts also say evolution is a fact, look how well that's being bought by our infinitely wise citizens.

[SolidLuigi]

check out this movie, doesn't matter which side you are on. It's an interesting piece. http://zeitgeistmovie.com It deals with religion, 9/11, the federal reserve, the war on terror, past wars. It's presented in a calm, rational, factual matter. And it's not Anti-American.

In my eyes, ignorant and stupid people are those who believe in something 100%. If you don't have the humility to realize that you can be wrong about things, or that you don't know everything then you are ignorant. No one knows everything, when presented with an argument, smart people will debate it with facts. Name calling and "you're wrong!" with nothing backing it up just proves your ignorance.

I used to be bull-headed "There's no way the Government had a hand in 9/11, or at least ignored warnings from other nations intelligence." That was because I am generally a nice person, and I easily trust and assume that since I'm nice, other people are nice too. I would never do anything like that, so why would the govt of our great nation do it? I was also scared, sometime the truth is scary because it usually means change. I don't know totally what I believe now, but there is alot of evidence either way that is highly credible, so people should look at both, instead of being stubborn or even scared of what they might find out.

One shady dealing in the movie was when the 9/11 commission wanted to question Bush and Cheney SEPARATELY. Bush and Cheney only went forward with the questioning when:
-They appeared together
-They were not under oath
-No press or family were allowed to be there
-No recording was allowed
-No transcript was allowed

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? If any of us are arrested, or if we testify in court, or brought in front of the senate or anything that is this important, we are recorded, every word is written down, we are under oath. WE elect these people, they aren't royalty, they aren't kings with absolute power, WE should hold them to the same standards WE are held. And if you say this is Anti-American, WE THE PEOPLE are America, not our government, questioning the government is questioning the people WE elected to office, so since we put them there why is it so bad to question them after they are there?

Watch the movie, even if you don't believe, any knowledge is good knowledge, you'll learn alot more than the 2 hours you would spend on Reality TV.


"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -Benjamin Franklin

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -Benjamin Franklin

[Snorri1234]

I don't think anyone believes the government has done nothing wrong. It's just that the whole "killing at least 3000 people to start a war killing more people, all the while making sure noone finds out except for a bunch of snotty-nosed teenagers with too much time" is simply not probable.

[Snorri1234]

WE should hold them to the same standards WE are held. And if you say this is Anti-American,

Would anyone call that anti-american?

[SolidLuigi]

you may not, but believe it or not, if you mention questioning the government alot of the times people will accuse you of being unamerican because it's an easy comeback for stupid people to think of. You know the whole peer pressure thing.