London Underground

fluffybunnykins · Post by **fluffybunnykins** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:53 am

still waiting for the guy to reply...
Maybe I'll chase it after Easter

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:48 am

I know this is thread necromancy, but I just wanted to express my great sadness regarding the legal obstructions that have stopped development on this map. I suppose no further contact has been received from the copyright holder?

fluffybunnykins · Post by **fluffybunnykins** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:55 pm

I've tried to chase it by phone, but the guy's never in...
I do appreciate everyone's enthusiasm & encouragement, though. Thanks.
and... woah... Jota!

tenio · Post by **tenio** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:10 pm

so im assuming it was denied?

why can't you change it around a lil bit so it doesn't infringe on copy write

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:43 pm

Because the "you" (I.E. the cartographer") has been inactive for about half a year.

--Andy

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:38 am

matjam wrote:Here is the official word from Transport for London.

Dear Matt

Thank you for your e-mail.

I am very glad you checked with us before submitting the design. We have
a number of issues with your design, which I detail below:

1. The map is an exact copy of our Tube map and therefore is an
infringement, and as you thought requires our permission, which in this
case we are unable to give.

2. Use of the Underground logo. The red circle and blue bar is the trade
mark and corporate mark of Transport for London, and we do not allow
additions or adaptations to be to it.

3. The words GOING UNDERGROUND is also a trade mark of Transport for
London and is currently used on a children's boardgame and we would not
wish this being used on another game.

Therefore, we have to decline your request for using both the Tube map
and Underground trade mark.

Kind regards

David Ellis
Head of Intellectual Property Development
Transport for London
Windsor House
42-50 Victoria Street
London
SW1H 0TL
Direct: 020 7126 3086

Here is the response to what is copyrighted. SO I will.............

Sound good?

WM

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:52 am

If I remember correctly, this was in Final Forge, so I think those would be the only things left to do.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:13 am

Go Widow - I suggest that once you've done that - you then submit the map back to London Underground again to check that they're happy you've no longer infringed their copyright...

Alternatively - you could ask for them to give the copyright as this is effectively free advertising - to X people - but change "going underground" - and then see if they go for it?!

C.

oaktown · Post by **oaktown** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:27 am

I agree that the map should be resubmitted to Transport For London - they're pretty tight about enforcing their copyright, and I think that the schematic layout of the map itself protected.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:19 am

WidowMakers wrote:
matjam wrote:Here is the official word from Transport for London.

Dear Matt

Thank you for your e-mail.

I am very glad you checked with us before submitting the design. We have
a number of issues with your design, which I detail below:

1. The map is an exact copy of our Tube map and therefore is an
infringement, and as you thought requires our permission, which in this
case we are unable to give.

2. Use of the Underground logo. The red circle and blue bar is the trade
mark and corporate mark of Transport for London, and we do not allow
additions or adaptations to be to it.

3. The words GOING UNDERGROUND is also a trade mark of Transport for
London and is currently used on a children's boardgame and we would not
wish this being used on another game.

Therefore, we have to decline your request for using both the Tube map
and Underground trade mark.

Kind regards

David Ellis
Head of Intellectual Property Development
Transport for London
Windsor House
42-50 Victoria Street
London
SW1H 0TL
Direct: 020 7126 3086
Here is the response to what is copyrighted. SO I will.............
1)switch around the colors and the graphical locations of the tube lines and stations. The gameplay will remain the same as what has been developed so far but graphically modified enough to not infringe on copyrights.

2)I was planning on changing the logo to a bar with a big U. U for underground. So it would still be similar but not infringe on the current logos copyright.

3) Going underground would be replaced with London Underground. Very Close but still different.

Sound good?

WM

PS - Actually number 2 - they're saying that they don't want you to change it - if you make sure it's reproduced exactly they might go for that too.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:44 pm

oaktown wrote:I agree that the map should be resubmitted to Transport For London - they're pretty tight about enforcing their copyright, and I think that the schematic layout of the map itself protected.

That is why I am altering the look of the schematic. it will be closely based on the original (same territories and links) but different colors and the lines will be adjusted slightly.

As far as the logo, I am taking out the "O" and replacing it with a "U".

I am going to call the map London Underground.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:51 pm

OK here it is. As you can see I needed to make some changes to allow the 88's to fit. The old map (fluffybunnykins map) was only the large version and it would have not worked even if there were not copyright issues.

So I kept the gameplay the same and moved around lines and stations to make sure it would all fit.

I redid the logo and changed the colors. I know the colors are bad but I just wanted to get something up.

SO this looks like the old map in style but is not a copy of the original artist work but maintains gameplay.

WidowMakers Proposal

fluffybunnykins old map

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:01 pm

well people are gonna be very confused with this one! looks good to me though.

1. you might want to make it a bit more clear that stations at interchanges like King's Cross are ALL connected to each other maybe just include the word ALL

2. I would recommend adding arrows to show that the circle line is one way

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:09 pm

edbeard wrote:well people are gonna be very confused with this one! looks good to me though.

1. you might want to make it a bit more clear that stations at interchanges like King's Cross are ALL connected to each other maybe just include the word ALL

2. I would recommend adding arrows to show that the circle line is one way

Actually I think the station are only connected by teh white lines. I will add that text and the arrows as well.

WM

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:11 pm

WidowMakers wrote:Actually I think the station are only connected by teh white lines.

WM

wait what?

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:15 pm

At kings cross:
1) Victoria rail station can attack Piccadilly
2) Piccadilly can attack both Victoria and Northern
3) Northern can attack both Piccadilly and Circle
4) Circle can attack Northern

Plus each station can attack along it os one line as well.

It does not work like Rail USA.
WM

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:17 pm

oh. then just don't say anything.

Before I read the text, I thought the attacks worked like that

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:59 pm

New Thread Here: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39993

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:38 am

MrBenn wrote:New Thread Here: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39993

thanks you benn, ive locked this thread and all discussion on this idea should be done in the above link.