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Post by SGT. ROCK »

The problem with 3 vs 3 and people contentions that the dice are random and even out is that no matter how stupid it is to attack 3 vs 3 with the insane streaks of randomness in this game it should actually happen more than it does.

The op asked if anyone has won a 3 vs 3. Have you?
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Post by Scott-Land »

there's certainly a predictability to the randomness- that's for sure.
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SGT. ROCK wrote:The op asked if anyone has won a 3 vs 3. Have you?


No, because statistically in a 3 vrs 3 battle the attackers only has a 20% chance of victory, SO I NEVER PLAY THOSE ODDS.
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Post by SGT. ROCK »

We should start a game where only 3 vs 3 attacks are made. Just pile all of your other troops on an out of the way territory and lets see how many times the attacker wins. Regardless of the odds, it should happen.

My gut tells me it will be a rarity far below what the odds suggest success should be.

I've played games with internet dice and I've had plenty of experience with their randomness, however I can say even though I am a noob to conquer club I have had atrocious 'luck' with their dice thus far.
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SGT. ROCK wrote:We should start a game where only 3 vs 3 attacks are made. Just pile all of your other troops on an out of the way territory and lets see how many times the attacker wins. Regardless of the odds, it should happen.

My gut tells me it will be a rarity far below what the odds suggest success should be.

I've played games with internet dice and I've had plenty of experience with their randomness, however I can say even though I am a noob to conquer club I have had atrocious 'luck' with their dice thus far.


Yeah, we meant to keep this a secret from you, but the dice are actually skewed against you. All of the better players just got a code that made them win more.
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Post by SGT. ROCK »

I knew it.

Those bassturds.
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SGT. ROCK wrote:We should start a game where only 3 vs 3 attacks are made. Just pile all of your other troops on an out of the way territory and lets see how many times the attacker wins. Regardless of the odds, it should happen.

My gut tells me it will be a rarity far below what the odds suggest success should be.


My gut feeling is that it will happen around 20% of the time, (or whatever the actual prob. is) and I would be willing to put cash on that.
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Post by Twill »

Actually, we have coded the dice to look for complaints about them and add a -1 modifier each die per complaint...that might explain why your dice are getting worse.


:roll:

If you can find a more random number generator than random.org please do let us know and we would be happy to get you "more random" dice, we havn't been able to find anything that shows us, statistically that the dice are not random...

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Post by reminisco »

yeah, anyone complaining about 3 vs 3 clearly doesn't understand how the dice probabilities work out.

i could try and school you all, but i won't bother. except to say that if you are the attacker, don't bother attacking unless you can roll three die.

otherwise, the probability almost always works in the favor of the defender.

it's basic math.

so, to explain as simply as possible. DO NOT attack if you are rolling as many die as your opponent.

granted, i'm giving away the big secret here, but i'm sick of these fucking complaints.

and i know i'm a newbie here on CC, but i'm a humongous fucking nerd, and played a shitload of RISK coming up.
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Moosegun wrote:My gut feeling is that it will happen around 20% of the time, (or whatever the actual prob. is) and I would be willing to put cash on that.


nuh uh :roll:
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Post by JACKAZZTJM »

DUDE STOP WHINING BOUT THE DICE ITS RANDOM THINK BOUT ALL THOS TIMES U WENT ON A ROLL ITS IN UR HEAD UR AGGRAVATED CAUSE U HAD A COUPLE BAD HANDS
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Post by wbudde »

I kind of look at my decision to attack or not the same way I look at my decision about whether or not to sit down at a blackjack table. If you don't have enough in your pocket to ride out a bad streak before you get to a good streak, don't do it. Because anything that has some randomness in it (rolling dice, dealing cards, flipping coins) is also going to be inherently streaky. You don't sit down to a $100 minimum blackjack table with $100 dollars - it's just stupid. Same with attacking - you don't attack a guy with 3 armies when you only have 3 armies. You've got to be able to ride out a bad streak if one comes your way.
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Post by Moosegun »

SGT. ROCK wrote:
Moosegun wrote:My gut feeling is that it will happen around 20% of the time, (or whatever the actual prob. is) and I would be willing to put cash on that.


nuh uh :roll:


No not 'nuh uh' at all. The point is that you and the OP are arguing about the randomness of the dice using 3 vrs 3 as the basis of your arguement. Of course you are going to have 'bad luck' fighting 3 vrs 3, THE ODDS ARE STACKED TOTALLY AGAINST YOU!!! 4 out of 5 times you are going to lose and that is with no 'luck' at all.

The fact that you are even arguing about dice probability and using 3 vrs 3 to prove your point shows that you know little about how either the combat mechanics or dice probability works.

It suggest to me that you both keep performing stupid moves, like 3 vrs 3 attacks and then moaning when you lose....... Seriously if anyone should be rolling my eyes it should be me, after reading some of the rubbish you have posted here.
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Post by SGT. ROCK »

Moosegun wrote:
SGT. ROCK wrote:
Moosegun wrote:My gut feeling is that it will happen around 20% of the time, (or whatever the actual prob. is) and I would be willing to put cash on that.


nuh uh :roll:


No not 'nuh uh' at all. The point is that you and the OP are arguing about the randomness of the dice using 3 vrs 3 as the basis of your arguement. Of course you are going to have 'bad luck' fighting 3 vrs 3, THE ODDS ARE STACKED TOTALLY AGAINST YOU!!! 4 out of 5 times you are going to lose and that is with no 'luck' at all.

The fact that you are even arguing about dice probability and using 3 vrs 3 to prove your point shows that you know little about how either the combat mechanics or dice probability works.

It suggest to me that you both keep performing stupid moves, like 3 vrs 3 attacks and then moaning when you lose....... Seriously if anyone should be rolling my eyes it should be me, after reading some of the rubbish you have posted here.


I really think you lack reading comprehension.
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Post by Moosegun »

No Sgt Rock, I understand what you are saying. But you are wrong. I will put money that if you fight 1000 3 vrs 3 battles, the attacker will win 1 in 5 of them, approx 200 battles. Because they are the odds and the dice are modelled to mirror real dice.

You are suggesting that is not the case.

My point is that the fact that the OP is using 3 vrs 3 battles and the fact that you never win them, proves that he has no idea about either the battle mechanics or dice probability.

If you look at the dice in this game analysied over a period of time each number is rolled approx. 16.6%, which means they are working correctly.
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Post by P4Ssoa »

lol aikn1 :P
you got to believe in yourself ;)

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Post by oggiss »

P4Ssoa wrote:lol aikn1 :P
you got to believe in yourself ;)

Everything is gonna be allright!! :wink:


I am freaking preying for the dice, nothing happens.


But seriously, what is the actual probability of winning 3 vs 1? Can't be more than 20%, the best dice for me is probably 2 vs 1, the probability there is like 40% chance of winning and that is good... :)
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Post by jaseleo »

its 16.66 %

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Post by oggiss »

jaseleo wrote:its 16.66 %

:D


if that is true then this game is fu.

The real number is way more than 50% isn't it? ;/


btw I just lost 10 vs 4, that's like happens like 5 times every game these days.
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Post by Moosegun »

The odds of winning 3 vrs 1 is 75%
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Post by KoE_Sirius »

haahahhahahahahha..>Another dice thread :)
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Post by P4Ssoa »

I lost 8 vs 3 and 5 vs 1 yesterday ;)
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Post by P4Ssoa »

Moosegun wrote:The odds of winning 3 vrs 1 is 75%


nope. Its below 75% since when dices are equal; you still lose....
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Post by jaseleo »

check your dice analyser everything is 16.66%
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JACKAZZTJM wrote:DUDE STOP WHINING BOUT THE DICE ITS RANDOM THINK BOUT ALL THOS TIMES U WENT ON A ROLL ITS IN UR HEAD UR AGGRAVATED CAUSE U HAD A COUPLE BAD HANDS
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