[Official] British Isles REVAMP [Quenched]

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:29 am

gimil wrote:
rebelman wrote:
rebelman wrote:I it possible to make the Irish "borders" "border counties" instead as that is what they are actually known as

Ill surprise you

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:40 am

iancanton wrote:
Incandenza wrote:the lake in Northern Ireland seems extraneous.

our map currently shows two lakes in northern ireland.

the larger one is lough neagh, which is an instantly-recognisable feature of any northern ireland map. like lake winnipeg on the canada map, it doesn't have any part in the gameplay, although it serves as a landmark.

the smaller one on the right is strangford lough, which is supposed to have an outlet to the sea at its south-east corner (and therefore isn't actually a lake). can we redraw the irish coastline at strangford lough to reflect this?

http://www.strangfordlough.org/map/context.htm

ian.

i agree with this point also it does depress me a bit that cork harbor is not being shown

also i think a man of your talents cold do a lot better job with the river shannon:

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:47 am

gimil wrote:Becasue the double ames in scotland are the actual names of those ares and so far as i know there isnt any other relevent usable name.

Yes but for simplicity on a CC map, things like that can be altered. Longer names take up more space, make maps harder to read and have to be abbreviated to fit in the game logs and drop down menus. To avoid all that, using one of the names is fitting, since people would still know is the same area! For example, North Carolina is the "proper name" for a state here in the US, but calling it Carolina is acceptable - people still know which area you're talking about. If I went up to an Englishman and asked about the "Lothian area," he'd know generally where I was referring to.

Double names ARE NOT NEEDED and only cramp and clutter the map and game logs.

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:15 am

I agree long names are not appropriate if avoidable but i have never heard Lothian & Borders described as anything else including when i lived in Scotland a few years ago.

Comparing it to North Carolina is not a valid coparison as Carolina is a common abrev. for this a more valid comparison would be New York - I have never heard this referred to as either "New" or "York" and putting just "New" or "York" on a map when referring to New York would not be correct. If gimil can include this region's correct title without interfering with game play then he should do so.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:19 am

wicked wrote:
gimil wrote:Becasue the double ames in scotland are the actual names of those ares and so far as i know there isnt any other relevent usable name.

Yes but for simplicity on a CC map, things like that can be altered. Longer names take up more space, make maps harder to read and have to be abbreviated to fit in the game logs and drop down menus. To avoid all that, using one of the names is fitting, since people would still know is the same area! For example, North Carolina is the "proper name" for a state here in the US, but calling it Carolina is acceptable - people still know which area you're talking about. If I went up to an Englishman and asked about the "Lothian area," he'd know generally where I was referring to.

Double names ARE NOT NEEDED and only cramp and clutter the map and game logs.

TBH - I don't think you're in a position to argue - as you have no attachment to the UK, GB, Scotland etc - If the scottish/british people say that this must be like this - then I think it should...

C.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:51 am

Your argument that long names cramp and clutter is fluad. There is a number of maps that have similar and even longer names.

Dumfries and Galloway
Lothain and Boarders

OTHER MAPS WITH LONG NAMES

Middles east
-Isreal and Palestinian terr.

Western Front
-Marshall Park Defence Group
-Marshall Brand Defence Group
-Feild Marshal Montgomery
-Feild Marshal Model

Easter Front
--Isthmus of perekop

Italy
-Puglia Settentrional

none of these have caused any concerns with gamelog clutter etc.

As there is moer than enought ample space for the drop down menu to handle much LARGE names.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:30 am

How about a vote?

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:35 am

wicked wrote:How about a vote?

I'd say that as you're the only person bringing it up then - you lose!!!

C.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:36 am

wicked wrote:How about a vote?

no need for a vote, the discussion in this thread is enought to uphold my decision. Besides its been known for chat regulars to win polls in there favour . . .

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:39 am

I quite like the idea of renaming New York to York... it makes it sound sort of quaint and English.... does it have any city walls and a pretty cathedral?

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:53 am

Rebelman i have attempted to put cork harbour in, bit the pixel dimension of the boarders doesnt allow this to happen effectivly, i have decided not to included it.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:54 am

gimil wrote:cock harbour

Now that's just rude...

C.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:55 am

yeti_c wrote:
gimil wrote:cock harbour

Now that's just rude...

C.

oppsie!!!

C.

Ogrecrusher · Post by **Ogrecrusher** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:00 pm

I also like the Double Scottish names, just for the record

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:05 pm

yeti_c wrote:
wicked wrote:How about a vote?

I'd say that as you're the only person bringing it up then - you lose!!!

C.

No yeti, it's been brought up time and time again, and by not only me. :roll:

And I'd appreciate not being accused of trying to rig poles or grouped with any people who may do that. And to insinuate I would do such a thing, as a moderator of this site, is completely uncalled for. :evil:

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:08 pm

rude? maybe... uncalled for? not really...

Are you a chat regular? yes
Has there been evidence of chat regulars winning polls? yes

That said, there really is no proof of correlation or even foul play in that. I suggest a poll as well. I think you'll be surprised how many here are willing to screw gameplay (which the current names here aren't even doing) to have the correct geography.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:11 pm

wicked wrote:And I'd appreciate not being accused of trying to rig poles or grouped with any people who may do that. And to insinuate I would do such a thing, as a moderator of this site, is completely uncalled for.

Guilty conscience?!

C.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:13 pm

Guys knock it off NOW. No one should be accusing anyone of anything here, hence my displeasure. Polls are a part of this forum, no matter which PERSON puts them up or suggests them.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:16 pm

wicked wrote:Guys knock it off NOW. No one should be accusing anyone of anything here, hence my displeasure. Polls are a part of this forum, no matter which PERSON puts them up or suggests them.

Maybe you should take it up with Andy...

As it is, I'm recommending the poll as well so calm down please. :roll:

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:20 pm

Nothing to discuss, as we're moving on. Please keep the thread on topic. If anyone wants to discuss the nuances of polls (including me), we can take it to GD. Carry on.

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:13 pm

gimil wrote:
wicked wrote:How about a vote?

no need for a vote, the discussion in this thread is enought to uphold my decision. Besides its been known for chat regulars to win polls in there favour . . .

gimil please don't make generalisations about chat regulars and i would love to know what you are referring to if its the crossword map you are way off the mark. I agreed with you on the names but a poll may be a reasonable option to resolve this remaining issue

ps saw your cork harbor post and that's fair enough.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:02 am

this was my favorite map as is

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:16 am

Enigma wrote:this was my favorite map as is

Noted, again, the original author of the map requested this revamp and personally choose gimil.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:43 pm

The bit I don't understand here is how you're supposedly revamping this map to make it more geographically correct yet, essex the place I am from is still completely in the wrong position. Why even bother change the names to more geographically correct ones if you're gonna neglect certain areas. It would be much better if you use what you began with as the territory name: essex and cambs.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:13 pm

But then we'd have more double names. :cry:

We can't have that. :roll:

I am in full agreement with you myself. The major complaints and whining about the original map were nearly all geographical and I think that needs to be #1 to everything else.

Not everyone is taking that view, which is why I think we need a poll. But gimil is gone for another 6 days and I don't want to start one without his consent as he may have a reasonable argument against it.

Claiming the chat folks rig polls is not reasonable, so lets not start that again.