Hey, sorry for my low activity lately, I have been real busy. Let me now update on where I stand today.
Iron Butterfly is my number one choice right now. I am feeling some scummy vibes there, can't really give a more elaborate reason without a reread that I likely won't have time for until Wednesday ...

Given that James is one of the remaining killers, I think the other has to be somewhere between spiesr and IB. Obviously, it can't be jonty. It's too unlikely for it to be DJ at this point based on jonty's N1 action. So it's gotta be one or the other of those two. Bad news is that given there were ...

Here is an idea I will put out there. We could try going no lynch for a couple of days until Jonty has locked everyone down. That way we don't run the risk of losing if we mislynch and the scum wasn't already blocked but just faking it. Any thoughts on the concept?

JamesKer1 wrote:Have we figured out how we had two deaths on night one yet? No PGO has popped up, and wasn't that the consensus we came to?

Most likely answer (in my opinion) is that Hosthot tried to recruit scum.

Iron Butterfly wrote:I don't think a Town bomb goes off on a lynch so there would be no point to lynching him anyways to see if he was telling the truth. (PCM)

Typically they do. Pancake should be able to confirm either way.

As for my claim (mainly directed towards Jonty at this point)- no one is questioning DJ because of his lack of proof for claim. He's been blocked, but that doesn't mean it's not a fake claim (although I am very inclined to believe it). Why am I being questioned for mine, where I was unlucky night 1 ...

2. What are you suggesting by the "scum protecting scum" bit? The only person the highlighted text can refer to is spiesr, but if that's the case and you think IB is protecting spiesr, you must then assume I'm town because your scenario only allows for two scum. If you're going to throw out wild ...

I wouldnt go that far in saying they have to be the final scum but PCM it is LYLO. 6 people left, we lynch wrong person thats 5. Mafia kills 1 at night thats 4. There should be 2 mafia left... 2/4 Mafia win. Done. I think that scenario isn't tecnically LYLO (Lynch or Lose), but rather Mislynch and ...

Given that James is one of the remaining killers, I think the other has to be somewhere between spiesr and IB. Obviously, it can't be jonty. It's too unlikely for it to be DJ at this point based on jonty's N1 action. So it's gotta be one or the other of those two. Bad news is that given there were ...

StorrZerg wrote:But at the end, getting james to talk was productive.

Yes, we can all agree that it is better if James (or whoever) posts more. The disagree there is that you claimed that his post level provided you with some sort of information that made you think his alignment was scum. Others (like pancakemix and I) felt that his activity was independent of his alignment in this case.

StorrZerg wrote:But what about the not "risking" a long post?

Most likely he was referring that either the deadline hitting or him reaching the vote threshold before he finish typing out a long post.

I think the current vote count looks like this:

Storr (3) - DJfireside, PancakeMix, spiesr
Jonty (3) - Metsfanmax, JamesKer1, StorrZerg
Jameker (3) - jonty125, Iron Butterfly, Streaker

I don't want to speculate too much into this, but if DJ turns up mafia, we definitely need to crack down on Jonty over this. But I will leave it until then. This isn't the answer I am looking for. Scenarios exist where Jonty could be scum despite what DJ said. Logically for you to be voting for him ...

James, why how do you expalin Dj confirming Jonty's action? That is fine if you suspect me over james or jonty. My follow up question is, do you suspect them. If you do, would you be willing to put your vote on either of them to insure a lynch happened. If so which one? Why that one over the other ...

StorrZerg wrote:As for Speirs, other options are present. He talked about no lynch and how it might happen. I'm saying a no lynch is the fault of everyone, not one person who refuses to be lynched.

The point I was making there was to attempt to present a scenario (that scenario is more specific than just being a no lynch) where your claimed attitude of never accepting your own lynch would be detrimental to the town. Do you understand hot it would be so in that scenario I mentioned before?

StorrZerg wrote:

spiesr wrote:Anyhow, Vote StorZerg out of the options for today's lynch he is the one I am most suspicious of.

You are not. Jonty125 and james are both up. James is at l-2 with streaker willing to vote.

I am not what? I am more suspicions of you than either Jamesker or Jonty. You can say I shouldn't be, but I think it is worded in such a way that you can't say I am not without straight up calling me a liar.

StorrZerg wrote:If someone is a plain cop I think it damns james claim as 100% scum

Given the setup premise I would definitely not say 100%, but it would reflect poorly on him.

I'm town and trying to to not be lynched. I come from a different meta, and i do different things. It has been proven in past games that just because i do something different, does not make me scum. Sure streaker doesn't prove me 100%, but it does mean that there are likely 2 people who submitted ...

StorrZerg wrote:Its as if, me pushing a second read day 1 on dj was worth 1000 scum points. While my initial push on virus was worth 1. My second push on virus 1.

Well, when you told everyone who was still voting for Virus that they were stupid for continuing to do so, in my mind that wipes out a lot of the points you get for getting them there in the first place. You said that anyone who voted for him for the reason which you initially did should stop doing so. And your action (actually moving your vote to Dj) said that you didn't think much of the later reasons. Whatever happened later aside, it was pretty clear that you did not want Virus lynched at that point.

jonty125 wrote:[unvote, vote James randomly confessing that you were at the scene of the crime. That's not town play. And for clarity. I'd still like Virus lynched.

I don't feel that it was necessary or smart for him to say that, but I am not sure it was scummy.

StorrZerg wrote:Dj, why doesn't jonty block his biggest scum target?

How do you know that is his goal was to block somebody rather than to protect someone? His role does both.

L-2, I'll claim. I'm Edgar Gries-Town Fumigator. It's kinda of like a super jailkeeper. In that every night I target someone and they get a bulletproof vest, and they are roleblocked until the vest is removed by a kill attempt. N1 I targetted DJFireside, because he was quiet. Interesting. Can the ...

A couple of questions Storr.

You targetted yourself N1, does that mean if you die on any night information on the killer will show up in the day post? Or is it one night only you have to target the soon to be deceased on the same night as there death?
Also, do you have any idea what information ...

[/quote]Refusing to claim when the town/conditions demand it certainly feels scummy. You should be discussing why i'm not claiming, instead of stating "policy" regarding claiming. Okay, possible reasons you aren't claiming:
⋅ You are some sort of town power role and feel that you ...

"My actions on day 1, are very easy to read as someone who WANTS a lynch to happen, anyone giving the opinion that i wanted a No lynch is 100% wrong."

Yes, but the target didn't seem to matter- myself, DJ, and everyone else that you are STILL accusing today- so that point is invalid. If you had ...

We had 2 deaths in the night though, wouldn't you say the likely hood of 2 mafia factions is considerably higher? It is one explanation of a few that answers 2 deaths in the night. On it's own the number of deaths in the night increases the chances of there being two scum groups to a higher level ...

Also 2 mafia factions based off the kill on virus. color= This being his death color mafia faction 2

And other mafia deaths in previous games being color=#BF0000 mafia faction 1 Unless we see a different color flip I don't think we can draw any conclusions from a different shade of red being used ...

Well, since I didn't get a commitment to follow any sort of plan out of Virus I will just go ahead and hammer.
Unvote, Vote Virus

Pancakemix, about this post , what motive are you assuming a scum Mets would have in doing the thing in Point 1 without creating a situation where he was right about the thing in Point 2? When I asked him to bring up the math he got and after he explained it it surprises me he included himself in ...