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I would like to use the current season as a test to see what teams in The NFL and Premiership and how they perform throughout the season.
From this one years football we shall use the results (good and bad) to prove which type of football gives more surprises and ultimately is more interesting than the other.

I know we can't use a single season as a good average, but lets just see how it goes.

I'm going to need some Americans to post for me a table that i can amend.

This is also a very good thread to make claims as to why your sport is better than the other and generally flame seven shades of shit out of the other side. Have fun, and may the best sport win!

Premiership table

Barclays Premier League Table 21 September 2008 17:08
P GD PTS
1 Arsenal 5 9 12
2 Chelsea 5 7 11
3 Liverpool 5 3 11
4 Aston Villa 5 3 10
5 Man City 5 8 9
6 West Ham 5 2 9
7 Hull 5 -3 8
8 Sunderland 5 -1 7
9 Everton 5 -2 7
10 Blackburn 5 -5 7
11 Fulham 4 0 6
12 Middlesbrough 5 -2 6
13 Portsmouth 5 -7 6
14 Wigan 5 3 5
15 Man Utd 4 0 5
16 Bolton 5 -2 4
17 West Brom 5 -2 4
18 Stoke 5 -3 4
19 Newcastle 5 -5 4
20 Tottenham 5 -3 2

Teams Promoted from last year in red
Last years top 4 teams in blue

(could a nice american please create a table that i can copy into the post below. thanks)

American Football

steve-O wrote:American Football Conference

AFC East W L T
Buffalo Bills 3 0 0
New England Patriots 2 1 0
New York Jets 1 1 0
Miami Dolphins 1 2 0

AFC North W L T
Baltimore Ravens 2 0 0
Pittsburgh Steelers 2 1 0
Cincinnati Bengals 0 3 0
Cleveland Browns 0 3 0

AFC South W L T
Tennessee Titans 3 0 0
Jacksonville Jaguars 1 2 0
Indianapolis Colts 1 2 0
Houston Texans 0 2 0

AFC West W L T
Denver Broncos 3 0 0
Oakland Raiders 1 2 0
San Diego Chargers 0 2 0
Kansas City Chiefs 0 3 0

National Football Conference

NFC East W L T
Dallas Cowboys 3 0 0
New York Giants 3 0 0
Washington Redskins 2 1 0
Philadelphia Eagles 2 1 0

NFC North W L T
Green Bay Packers 2 1 0
Minnesota Vikings 1 2 0
Chicago Bears 1 2 0
Detroit Lions 0 3 0

NFC South W L T
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 1 0
Carolina Panthers 2 1 0
Atlanta Falcons 2 1 0
New Orleans Saints 1 2 0

NFC West W L T
Arizona Cardinals 2 1 0
San Francisco 49ers 2 1 0
Seattle Seahawks 1 2 0
St. Louis Rams 0 3 0

Green- Won super bowl last year
Blue- Won division last year
Red- Won 5 or less games last year
Season is out of 16 games.

Link for last season standings:
http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=div&season=2007-REG&split=Overall

Is that good or should I go a little more in depth?

Thats just what i was after thanks Steve. Now us Europeans can understand from last year who was good and how the other teams are doing in comparison this year. thanks!

An interesting proposition, but one that I'll need more details on to endorse.

American Football Conference

AFC East W L T
Buffalo Bills 3 0 0
New England Patriots 2 1 0
New York Jets 1 1 0
Miami Dolphins 1 2 0

AFC North W L T
Baltimore Ravens 2 0 0
Pittsburgh Steelers 2 1 0
Cincinnati Bengals 0 3 0
Cleveland Browns 0 3 0

AFC South W L T
Tennessee Titans 3 0 0
Jacksonville Jaguars 1 2 0
Indianapolis Colts 1 2 0
Houston Texans 0 2 0

AFC West W L T
Denver Broncos 3 0 0
Oakland Raiders 1 2 0
San Diego Chargers 0 2 0
Kansas City Chiefs 0 3 0

National Football Conference

NFC East W L T
Dallas Cowboys 3 0 0
New York Giants 3 0 0
Washington Redskins 2 1 0
Philadelphia Eagles 2 1 0

NFC North W L T
Green Bay Packers 2 1 0
Minnesota Vikings 1 2 0
Chicago Bears 1 2 0
Detroit Lions 0 3 0

NFC South W L T
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 1 0
Carolina Panthers 2 1 0
Atlanta Falcons 2 1 0
New Orleans Saints 1 2 0

NFC West W L T
Arizona Cardinals 2 1 0
San Francisco 49ers 2 1 0
Seattle Seahawks 1 2 0
St. Louis Rams 0 3 0

There's one more game going on tonight, I'll update when it's done.

I don't want to flame. Astonishing. I've lost the will to abuse and make gross generalisations. Shit. Next I'll probably grow some ovaries.

American football is fine, it's rugby for people with ADD, whatever. You want to watch fat guys wearing sofas run into each other for 10 seconds then have an ad break? Fine by me, it's still more entertaining than rugby league. Plus, y'know, cheerleaders.

Football is the best game on the planet however. Not sure about the compare and contrast thing, can't we just go on how many people watch the respective sports? Because about 300 million people watch Premiership football every week, and that's just one league.

Spuzzell wrote:I don't want to flame. Astonishing. I've lost the will to abuse and make gross generalisations. Shit. Next I'll probably grow some ovaries.

American football is fine, it's rugby for people with ADD, whatever. You want to watch fat guys wearing sofas run into each other for 10 seconds then have an ad break? Fine by me, it's still more entertaining than rugby league. Plus, y'know, cheerleaders.

Football is the best game on the planet however. Not sure about the compare and contrast thing, can't we just go on how many people watch the respective sports? Because about 300 million people watch Premiership football every week, and that's just one league.

You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

Neoteny wrote:
You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

You people love to eat cheese till you can only leave the house through a hole in the wall.

Bitch.

Hey, I'm back! I feel better now.

PS: American football is gay. The world loves football and hates you. Feel bad? Eat some cheese and invade something, Lardy McFatass.

Last year the Atlanta Falcons only won 4 games. This year they have a new coach and a new quarterback. They have won 2 of the 3 games they have played so far. At least for this American that is exciting.

As far as American football goes I find college football to be much more enjoyable. The NFL is relatively new compared to the college teams that have been playing since the late 1800's. There are a lot of old rivalries and traditions in college football. I'm a University of Georgia Bulldog fan myself.

Spuzzell wrote:

Neoteny wrote:
You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

You people love to eat cheese till you can only leave the house through a hole in the wall.

Bitch.

Hey, I'm back! I feel better now.

PS: American football is gay. The world loves football and hates you. Feel bad? Eat some cheese and invade something, Lardy McFatass.

Really? You don't have anything original? Please go away. You are bringing down the intelligence of everyone you interact with?

Spuzzell wrote:

Neoteny wrote:
You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

You people love to eat cheese till you can only leave the house through a hole in the wall.

Bitch.

Hey, I'm back! I feel better now.

PS: American football is gay. The world loves football and hates you. Feel bad? Eat some cheese and invade something, Lardy McFatass.

Cheese? I thought that was a French thing.

Bitch.

I think I'll take you up on your offer and invade your mother's vagina, Limey McTeasipper.

Last scores came in, here's the end of week 3.

American Football Conference

AFC East W L T
Buffalo Bills 3 0 0
New England Patriots 2 1 0
New York Jets 1 2 0
Miami Dolphins 1 2 0

AFC North W L T
Baltimore Ravens 2 0 0
Pittsburgh Steelers 2 1 0
Cincinnati Bengals 0 3 0
Cleveland Browns 0 3 0

AFC South W L T
Tennessee Titans 3 0 0
Jacksonville Jaguars 1 2 0
Indianapolis Colts 1 2 0
Houston Texans 0 2 0

AFC West W L T
Denver Broncos 3 0 0
Oakland Raiders 1 2 0
San Diego Chargers 1 2 0
Kansas City Chiefs 0 3 0

National Football Conference

NFC East W L T
Dallas Cowboys 3 0 0
New York Giants 3 0 0
Washington Redskins 2 1 0
Philadelphia Eagles 2 1 0

NFC North W L T
Green Bay Packers 2 1 0
Minnesota Vikings 1 2 0
Chicago Bears 1 2 0
Detroit Lions 0 3 0

NFC South W L T
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 1 0
Carolina Panthers 2 1 0
Atlanta Falcons 2 1 0
New Orleans Saints 1 2 0

NFC West W L T
Arizona Cardinals 2 1 0
San Francisco 49ers 2 1 0
Seattle Seahawks 1 2 0
St. Louis Rams 0 3 0

DON'T DO IT AMERICANS!!!

IT'S A TRAP.

Just let the faggy little limeys whine and complain and try to prove that soccer is more important (when no one even CARES what they think) and let's just stick to our own thread about football.

Honestly, it's rather flattering to know how much they care about soccer to try desperately to convince us that their sport is superior, when none of us even CARE.

ps. Jets suck.

pps. Frigidus, stop, you're only encouraging them.

pimpdave wrote:pps. Frigidus, stop, you're only encouraging them.

Oh God, you're right, what have I done? No matter which way this vaguely defined experiment goes, both sides will simply reaffirm that they are correct, and perhaps demand that the thread be locked and that the other side is banned!

Then again, that's par for the course here at CC.

Quirk wrote:Last year the Atlanta Falcons only won 4 games. This year they have a new coach and a new quarterback. They have won 2 of the 3 games they have played so far. At least for this American that is exciting.

As far as American football goes I find college football to be much more enjoyable. The NFL is relatively new compared to the college teams that have been playing since the late 1800's. There are a lot of old rivalries and traditions in college football. I'm a University of Georgia Bulldog fan myself.

I agree completely, especially about the last part. GO DAWGS!

Lock this fucking thread?

f*ck this threading lock.

Neoteny wrote:

Spuzzell wrote:I don't want to flame. Astonishing. I've lost the will to abuse and make gross generalisations. Shit. Next I'll probably grow some ovaries.

American football is fine, it's rugby for people with ADD, whatever. You want to watch fat guys wearing sofas run into each other for 10 seconds then have an ad break? Fine by me, it's still more entertaining than rugby league. Plus, y'know, cheerleaders.

Football is the best game on the planet however. Not sure about the compare and contrast thing, can't we just go on how many people watch the respective sports? Because about 300 million people watch Premiership football every week, and that's just one league.

You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

Wow that's a great argument there, neo. I knew you would be a one to focuson the argument instead of trying to resort to petty insults.

Iliad wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Spuzzell wrote:I don't want to flame. Astonishing. I've lost the will to abuse and make gross generalisations. Shit. Next I'll probably grow some ovaries.

American football is fine, it's rugby for people with ADD, whatever. You want to watch fat guys wearing sofas run into each other for 10 seconds then have an ad break? Fine by me, it's still more entertaining than rugby league. Plus, y'know, cheerleaders.

Football is the best game on the planet however. Not sure about the compare and contrast thing, can't we just go on how many people watch the respective sports? Because about 300 million people watch Premiership football every week, and that's just one league.

You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

Wow that's a great argument there, neo. I knew you would be a one to focuson the argument instead of trying to resort to petty insults.

What do you think this is, a civil discussion forum? They didn't let me in, remember? Forgive me for not caring about unclever morons who repeat the same bullshit over and over again. They aren't original, and they don't deserve my justifying their word-vomit with a real response. I have never seen one of these assholes touting "real football" offer any sort of legitimate argument as to why their sport is "better," whatever the hell that means. They don't "resort to petty insults," they start with them. And until someone decides that they can actually formulate an intelligent argument, I'm not going to reply with one. So piss off, dear Illy, unless you have a real argument to bring to the table.

Neoteny wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Spuzzell wrote:I don't want to flame. Astonishing. I've lost the will to abuse and make gross generalisations. Shit. Next I'll probably grow some ovaries.

American football is fine, it's rugby for people with ADD, whatever. You want to watch fat guys wearing sofas run into each other for 10 seconds then have an ad break? Fine by me, it's still more entertaining than rugby league. Plus, y'know, cheerleaders.

Football is the best game on the planet however. Not sure about the compare and contrast thing, can't we just go on how many people watch the respective sports? Because about 300 million people watch Premiership football every week, and that's just one league.

You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

Wow that's a great argument there, neo. I knew you would be a one to focuson the argument instead of trying to resort to petty insults.

What do you think this is, a civil discussion forum? They didn't let me in, remember? Forgive me for not caring about unclever morons who repeat the same bullshit over and over again. They aren't original, and they don't deserve my justifying their word-vomit with a real response. I have never seen one of these assholes touting "real football" offer any sort of legitimate argument as to why their sport is "better," whatever the hell that means. They don't "resort to petty insults," they start with them. And until someone decides that they can actually formulate an intelligent argument, I'm not going to reply with one. So piss off, dear Illy, unless you have a real argument to bring to the table.

So in response to an actual argument put forward: how about before we try to compare the two sports, we see who plays it more, and who watches it more, you decided that didn't constitute a real argument. So tell me sir, what does then, in your humble way of life, neo?

Iliad wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Spuzzell wrote:I don't want to flame. Astonishing. I've lost the will to abuse and make gross generalisations. Shit. Next I'll probably grow some ovaries.

American football is fine, it's rugby for people with ADD, whatever. You want to watch fat guys wearing sofas run into each other for 10 seconds then have an ad break? Fine by me, it's still more entertaining than rugby league. Plus, y'know, cheerleaders.

Football is the best game on the planet however. Not sure about the compare and contrast thing, can't we just go on how many people watch the respective sports? Because about 300 million people watch Premiership football every week, and that's just one league.

You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

Wow that's a great argument there, neo. I knew you would be a one to focuson the argument instead of trying to resort to petty insults.

What do you think this is, a civil discussion forum? They didn't let me in, remember? Forgive me for not caring about unclever morons who repeat the same bullshit over and over again. They aren't original, and they don't deserve my justifying their word-vomit with a real response. I have never seen one of these assholes touting "real football" offer any sort of legitimate argument as to why their sport is "better," whatever the hell that means. They don't "resort to petty insults," they start with them. And until someone decides that they can actually formulate an intelligent argument, I'm not going to reply with one. So piss off, dear Illy, unless you have a real argument to bring to the table.

So in response to an actual argument put forward: how about before we try to compare the two sports, we see who plays it more, and who watches it more, you decided that didn't constitute a real argument. So tell me sir, what does then, in your humble way of life, neo?

Eh? Popularity counts as a valid argument? Millions of people are Christian, or Muslim, or Hindu, but I don't see you converting, dear Illy, nor I. Humble enough?

Neoteny wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Neoteny wrote:You people love to blow yourselves don't you.

Wow that's a great argument there, neo. I knew you would be a one to focuson the argument instead of trying to resort to petty insults.

What do you think this is, a civil discussion forum? They didn't let me in, remember? Forgive me for not caring about unclever morons who repeat the same bullshit over and over again. They aren't original, and they don't deserve my justifying their word-vomit with a real response. I have never seen one of these assholes touting "real football" offer any sort of legitimate argument as to why their sport is "better," whatever the hell that means. They don't "resort to petty insults," they start with them. And until someone decides that they can actually formulate an intelligent argument, I'm not going to reply with one. So piss off, dear Illy, unless you have a real argument to bring to the table.

So in response to an actual argument put forward: how about before we try to compare the two sports, we see who plays it more, and who watches it more, you decided that didn't constitute a real argument. So tell me sir, what does then, in your humble way of life, neo?

Eh? Popularity counts as a valid argument? Millions of people are Christian, or Muslim, or Hindu, but I don't see you converting, dear Illy, nor I. Humble enough?

Popularity does count as a valid argument when arguing which form of entertainment is better. That was a shit comparison and you know it.

nice thread, pedro. i think you'll have to give the NFL a little more time, we're only thru 3 games out of 16 in the whole season....and the actual way you intend to determine "excitment factor" or parity or whatever isn't really clear......

while i love both versions of football, i would say that american footy is probably more exciting in the sense that anything can happen at anytime. someone can take it the distance at a moment's notice. this isn't true in soccer, at least high level soccer, that is.

plus, i'd think there is much more parity in the NFL than EPL. the big 4 in EPL are always up there....but in the NFL the mix changes a ton every year.

ps: ROLL TIDE!!!!! beat them dawgs!!!!! (but i hope georgia wins every other game this year)

Iliad wrote:Popularity does count as a valid argument when arguing which form of entertainment is better. That was a shit comparison and you know it.

It's really not when you consider that entertainment is subjective, and any sort of investigation of which subjective form of anything is better is absurd.

Neoteny wrote:It's really not when you consider that entertainment is subjective, and any sort of investigation of which subjective form of anything is better is absurd.

Oh, just shut the f*ck up you tool.

This thread is about the relative entertainment value of two sports. And if you can't see how viewing figures relate to that, then you're a moron. And fat.

So cock off, cuntface.

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