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What do you think? Should it or shouldn't it. Is anyone familiar with the reasons why Marijuana is illegal? The real reasons?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kCdA6xA ... re=related

Yes. As long as they don't start taxing that shit like ciggarettes and alcohol the fucking bitches.

Snorri1234 wrote:Yes. As long as they don't start taxing that shit like ciggarettes and alcohol the fucking bitches.

That's the only way they WOULD legalize it... And I would be perfectly willing to pay it if it was government grade.

No way I'm paying the government for something they want to try and take credit for.

Anarkistsdream wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:Yes. As long as they don't start taxing that shit like ciggarettes and alcohol the fucking bitches.

That's the only way they WOULD legalize it... And I would be perfectly willing to pay it if it was government grade.

Well you live in a different system. Over here using it is allowed so I myself have no advantage if they legalize the growing, but when they do legalize the growing it will mean they prices will increase without the quality increasing.



Not that anyone would legalize it. The government is compromised of a bunch of idiots.

DaGip wrote:What do you think? Should it or shouldn't it. Is anyone familiar with the reasons why Marijuana is illegal? The real reasons?

Absolutely, though I can't watch the video right now.

Basically, it is two issues ... they competed with the timber industry when the process for putting pulp into paper was developed and it competed against the oil industry. Add to that the fact that it didn't have the historical European use that alchohol did and even though it was far, far, far less harmful (note the "was", though) than alchohol ... and blammo!

Gotta get rid of that stuff those "strange people" use!

Now, it has changed completely, however. Although the reefer madness stuff was all hype and garbage, there is real harm to it now.

What used to be a quite moderate substance has been bred to have much, much higher THC levels. It has far worse lung affects than tobacco and has other side effects such as significantly reducing male virility. It also can make some people ... well, lazy is probably the closest description, though that's not quite right. It saps initiative for some reason.

(and note ... these are not the old, biased findings. These are newer findings from a variety of sources).

Anyway, hemp, the "non drug" version has many, many uses ... from very strong cloth, to rope to fuel to paper pulp that is far more efficient to grow than trees, to even food.

The cost of enforcing it as an illegal drug is astronomical, has increased both the cost and the encouraged growing stronger and stronger stuff. It also has turned it from a "friendly backyard enterprise" to a gang money maker.

Enough? There are plenty of web sites out there. Just be careful to keep the reality from the fiction ... on BOTH sides.

Personally, I see no question. Legalize it, tax it and control it to a moderate extent (no kid sales, etc.)

It doesn't really bother me if it is or not because I have access to it really quite easily anyway - but if it stops people being incarcerated over petty dope charges (and I'm talking stupid shit like possession of a personal amount or whatever) then it should be legalised. If alcohol is legal, there is no reason for marijuana to be (except like Dagip has pointed out (i think, i didn't check your youtube link, slow connection) dope is illegal because of the cotton industry in early 20th century worried about hemp coming into the market with a superior product, so the cotton industry's friends in congress got it banned and started the whole 'IF YOU SMOKE MARIJUANA YOU WILL GO CRAZY AND KILL SOMEBODY' propaganda -

Snorri1234 wrote:Yes. As long as they don't start taxing that shit like ciggarettes and alcohol the fucking bitches.

I think that that's exactly what they should do. In the U.S. at least, they spend exponential amounts of money on preventing drugs from coming into the country. It's my personal opinion that they should legalixe said drugs and then tax the shit out of them. Instead of spending money preventing them, they're making money with them and dissuading people from buying them in one blow.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Now, it has changed completely, however. Although the reaper madness stuff was all hype and garbage, there is real harm to it now.

HAHAHAHA.... This makes me think you've never smoked.

It's reefer madness, darling.

radiojake wrote:It doesn't really bother me if it is or not because I have access to it really quite easily anyway - but if it stops people being incarcerated over petty dope charges (and I'm talking stupid shit like possession of a personal amount or whatever) then it should be legalised. If alcohol is legal, there is no reason for marijuana to be (except like Dagip has pointed out (i think, i didn't check your youtube link, slow connection) dope is illegal because of the cotton industry in early 20th century worried about hemp coming into the market with a superior product, so the cotton industry's friends in congress got it banned and started the whole 'IF YOU SMOKE MARIJUANA YOU WILL GO CRAZY AND KILL SOMEBODY' propaganda -

forgot about this one ... timber and oil certainly helped, though.

Whats stupid is that when the law making Marijuana illegal was passed Cocaine was still legal. Anyway what about decriminalising it. That happens when you are allowed to have like 1 plant for private use but supplying it is still illegal. You also can up to a certain amount in your possession.

Anarkistsdream wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Now, it has changed completely, however. Although the reaper madness stuff was all hype and garbage, there is real harm to it now.

HAHAHAHA.... This makes me think you've never smoked.

No, I have not, BUT I have been inadvertently exposed on many occasions (ironically, in good part to the wonderful "controlled burn" practices Reagan started). Back then it was not the stuff that's out now. The stuff out now has about 20-100 times the THC as the stuff I knew.

It's reefer madness, darling.

sorry, sleep deprived mom, here.
I have edited my post.

Yes, it should, along with all other illegal drugs.

My reasons lie behind the history of Prohibition. A) the government has no right to tell me how I can or cannot abuse my body, and B) drug users will still use drugs, no matter their legality. The difference is that if you make them illegal, it makes them harder to supply and therefore cost more which encourages crime so the user can actually pay for it.

On the other side, however, their will need to be provisions, just like their are with alcohol, such as no driving while intoxicated, no public intoxication, etc. Also, if you happen to overdose or have some kind of long term effect and need medical care, you get to provide it with your insurance (and no insurance agency in their right mind would insure a drug user) or you get no help.


That's my reasoning. It's not 'cause I'm a pot head or even think that drugs are a good thing. It's purely pragmatism and principles.

Hologram wrote:Yes, it should, along with all other illegal drugs.

My reasons lie behind the history of Prohibition. A) the government has no right to tell me how I can or cannot abuse my body, and B) drug users will still use drugs, no matter their legality. The difference is that if you make them illegal, it makes them harder to supply and therefore cost more which encourages crime so the user can actually pay for it.

On the other side, however, their will need to be provisions, just like their are with alcohol, such as no driving while intoxicated, no public intoxication, etc. Also, if you happen to overdose or have some kind of long term effect and need medical care, you get to provide it with your insurance (and no insurance agency in their right mind would insure a drug user) or you get no help.


That's my reasoning. It's not 'cause I'm a pot head or even think that drugs are a good thing. It's purely pragmatism and principles.

Are you sure you are not a Ron Paul Republican?

All drugs should be decriminalised, no question. You'd halve the crime rate at a stroke.
But of course, most drugs f*ck you up.

suggs wrote:All drugs should be decriminalised, no question. You'd halve the crime rate at a stroke.
But of course, most drugs f*ck you up.

Isn't that the point?

Hologram wrote:Yes, it should, along with all other illegal drugs.

My reasons lie behind the history of Prohibition. A) the government has no right to tell me how I can or cannot abuse my body, and B) drug users will still use drugs, no matter their legality. The difference is that if you make them illegal, it makes them harder to supply and therefore cost more which encourages crime so the user can actually pay for it.

On the other side, however, their will need to be provisions, just like their are with alcohol, such as no driving while intoxicated, no public intoxication, etc. Also, if you happen to overdose or have some kind of long term effect and need medical care, you get to provide it with your insurance (and no insurance agency in their right mind would insure a drug user) or you get no help.


That's my reasoning. It's not 'cause I'm a pot head or even think that drugs are a good thing. It's purely pragmatism and principles.

I can agree with that, especially your second reason, legalizing the trade would utterly destroy the market for criminal organizations, hey, even I'd get a potted plant for my cookies (no way I'm smoking). Similar with hard drugs, decriminalize the use of them and offer programs to get people off those drugs, if there really is no way to get them clean, provide them with pure drugs without all the shit like detergents and concrete that dealers mix in to raise their profit. Farmers in Afghanistan and South America might finally make a decent living on legal terms, Coca leaves and poppy seeds aren't dangerous.

The Weird One wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:Yes. As long as they don't start taxing that shit like ciggarettes and alcohol the fucking bitches.

I think that that's exactly what they should do. In the U.S. at least, they spend exponential amounts of money on preventing drugs from coming into the country. It's my personal opinion that they should legalixe said drugs and then tax the shit out of them. Instead of spending money preventing them, they're making money with them and dissuading people from buying them in one blow.

But I don't want the government dissuading people from buying.

MeDeFe wrote:

Hologram wrote:Yes, it should, along with all other illegal drugs.

My reasons lie behind the history of Prohibition. A) the government has no right to tell me how I can or cannot abuse my body, and B) drug users will still use drugs, no matter their legality. The difference is that if you make them illegal, it makes them harder to supply and therefore cost more which encourages crime so the user can actually pay for it.

On the other side, however, their will need to be provisions, just like their are with alcohol, such as no driving while intoxicated, no public intoxication, etc. Also, if you happen to overdose or have some kind of long term effect and need medical care, you get to provide it with your insurance (and no insurance agency in their right mind would insure a drug user) or you get no help.


That's my reasoning. It's not 'cause I'm a pot head or even think that drugs are a good thing. It's purely pragmatism and principles.

I can agree with that, especially your second reason, legalizing the trade would utterly destroy the market for criminal organizations, hey, even I'd get a potted plant for my cookies (no way I'm smoking). Similar with hard drugs, decriminalize the use of them and offer programs to get people off those drugs, if there really is no way to get them clean, provide them with pure drugs without all the shit like detergents and concrete that dealers mix in to raise their profit. Farmers in Afghanistan and South America might finally make a decent living on legal terms, Coca leaves and poppy seeds aren't dangerous.

You had me up until you brought up despot leaders, dictators, and criminal families. They make FAR too much money in their third-world countries to EVER allow for those things to be legalized.

I think most reasoning people will agree that drugs should be as legal as alcohol.

Oh, and I just remembered this goodie.
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2153

MeDeFe wrote:Oh, and I just remembered this goodie.
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2153

Made me laught to.

Anyone else notice that no one is voicing an opinion agianst legalizing MJ? Yet people voted against it? What's the deal with that?

kill it I love it

Snorri1234 wrote:

The Weird One wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:Yes. As long as they don't start taxing that shit like ciggarettes and alcohol the fucking bitches.

I think that that's exactly what they should do. In the U.S. at least, they spend exponential amounts of money on preventing drugs from coming into the country. It's my personal opinion that they should legalixe said drugs and then tax the shit out of them. Instead of spending money preventing them, they're making money with them and dissuading people from buying them in one blow.

But I don't want the government dissuading people from buying.

Snorri... this is a discussion of drug policy in the U.S. Right now, drugs are completely illegal, and our jails are full of people who were caught with a gram or two of marijuana. Most of what you can buy is tainted; you have to be really careful. I would be perfectly happy, as an alternative to the current problems, if the government taxed it. It might not be a better option where you are, but here, it's necessary.