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Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:42 am
by owenshooter
i have had confusion in the past on when/where bigotry is ok or permissible on the site. However, the Bigotry Guidelines were created and the escalating scale was introduced through community efforts and all was right in the world. Now, apparently, Bigotry is allowed at certain times. When you ask? Oh, like this past April Fool's day. Apparently the admins/mods did not foresee members flaming/baiting/trashing other members and the constant stream of bigotry. so, instead of doing what is right and issuing warnings and moving people up the scale, they are deciding to ignore it.
Subject: BestInTheWorld: Bigotry [Closed] DCRdeathcomesrippin wrote:This case is Closed.
We understand that comments were made in the "Paddle" that were flaming, bigoted and/or baiting, but this will be the freebie for BestInTheWorld and the others that decided to use the fake Paddle to lash out at members of the community. Business as usual, though, from here on out.
I for one am greatly offended that "a pass" is being given to bigots during this one day. Are we now going to have bigotry exempt days? you flow down the "paddle" list and the use of offensive words and the slagging of members with those words is wholly unacceptable. i assume this is simply too much work for the team and that is why they are ignoring. this was poorly planned and thought out. CC created an atmosphere of tolerance towards racists and bigots during April 1st through their actions, and i am greatly saddened by this.
Many of you won't think this is a big deal, but it is. Bigotry is never "OK" and "a pass" should never be given. Team CC needs to step up and punish the offenders. the comments still stand and are still visible!!!! WTF team CC?!!-el Jesus negro
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:44 am
by Crazyirishman
Bigotry is acceptable when myself or others use it, however if you use it, it will be a violation of the forum guidelines and you will be accordingly punished.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:50 am
by chapcrap
I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:53 am
by IcePack
chapcrap wrote:I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.
Simply put, +1.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:00 pm
by tkr4lf
It does seem rather inconsistent.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:07 pm
by Bones2484
IcePack wrote:chapcrap wrote:I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.
Simply put, +1.
I agree as well. I can perhaps see giving a pass on some of the trolling, but bigotry should never be acceptable.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:11 pm
by IcePack
Bones2484 wrote:IcePack wrote:chapcrap wrote:I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.
Simply put, +1.
I agree as well. I can perhaps see giving a pass on some of the trolling, but bigotry should never be acceptable.
Agreed, I didn't report baiting flaming trolling etc as I assumed those were "in jest" for the most part and would likely result in a pass.
Bigotry even in jest hasn't ever been acceptable as far as I know, and don't feel it should be given a pass - which is why I reported it.
IcePack
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:17 pm
by The Voice
Bones2484 wrote:IcePack wrote:chapcrap wrote:I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.
Simply put, +1.
I agree as well. I can perhaps see giving a pass on some of the trolling, but bigotry should never be acceptable.
Yup, bigotry shouldn't be tolerated in any instance. The offenders got away with one.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:46 pm
by trapyoung
It should only be tolerated when it's hilarious. I demand substantial punishments for all those who used the paddle on April 1 and failed to amuse me.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:10 pm
by Army of GOD
Clarification on when Bigotry is capitalized in titles
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:40 pm
by General Mojo
trapyoung wrote:It should only be tolerated when it's hilarious. I demand substantial punishments for all those who used the paddle on April 1 and failed to amuse me.

"No guys...i said my name was digger...DIGGER!"
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:48 pm
by Siedshow99
General Mojo wrote:trapyoung wrote:It should only be tolerated when it's hilarious. I demand substantial punishments for all those who used the paddle on April 1 and failed to amuse me.

"No guys...i said my name was digger...DIGGER!"
I think this post is substantially in alignment with Trap's guidelines.
Bigotry - yes.
Hilarious - yes.
Therefore it must be tolerated. Well done Mojo.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:18 pm
by Falkomagno
OP is a reactionary
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:33 pm
by trapyoung
Falkomagno wrote:OP is a reactionary
You butchered "visionary."
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:36 pm
by natty dread
The Voice wrote:Bones2484 wrote:IcePack wrote:chapcrap wrote:I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.
Simply put, +1.
I agree as well. I can perhaps see giving a pass on some of the trolling, but bigotry should never be acceptable.
Yup, bigotry shouldn't be tolerated in any instance. The offenders got away with one.
I agree as well.
But then, seeing how we have bigots in team CC and admins who don't give a f*ck, I don't think anything is going to be done about this, sadly...
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:47 pm
by AndyDufresne
Thanks for your public feedback. I'll discuss things with the C&A Team.
--Andy
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:05 pm
by IcePack
AndyDufresne wrote:Thanks for your public feedback. I'll discuss things with the C&A Team.
--Andy
Thanks for taking another look and listening to the community. While I know the ruling could remain, I appreciate any efforts in further discussion after the community speaks up. the scale for infractions includes warnings etc I would assume for situations like this or other "unintended/accidental" etc occurances.
I appreciate the additional review & discussion regardless of the final verdict.
Cheers,
IcePack
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:27 pm
by Pirlo
owenshooter wrote:i have had confusion in the past on when/where bigotry is ok or permissible on the site. However, the Bigotry Guidelines were created and the escalating scale was introduced through community efforts and all was right in the world. Now, apparently, Bigotry is allowed at certain times. When you ask? Oh, like this past April Fool's day. Apparently the admins/mods did not foresee members flaming/baiting/trashing other members and the constant stream of bigotry. so, instead of doing what is right and issuing warnings and moving people up the scale, they are deciding to ignore it.
Subject: BestInTheWorld: Bigotry [Closed] DCRdeathcomesrippin wrote:This case is Closed.
We understand that comments were made in the "Paddle" that were flaming, bigoted and/or baiting, but this will be the freebie for BestInTheWorld and the others that decided to use the fake Paddle to lash out at members of the community. Business as usual, though, from here on out.
I for one am greatly offended that "a pass" is being given to bigots during this one day. Are we now going to have bigotry exempt days? you flow down the "paddle" list and the use of offensive words and the slagging of members with those words is wholly unacceptable. i assume this is simply too much work for the team and that is why they are ignoring. this was poorly planned and thought out. CC created an atmosphere of tolerance towards racists and bigots during April 1st through their actions, and i am greatly saddened by this.
Many of you won't think this is a big deal, but it is. Bigotry is never "OK" and "a pass" should never be given. Team CC needs to step up and punish the offenders. the comments still stand and are still visible!!!! WTF team CC?!!-el Jesus negro
Pretty sure you'd exceptionally get banned for it!

Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:52 pm
by owenshooter
IcePack wrote:I appreciate the additional review & discussion regardless of the final verdict.
Cheers,
IcePack
i don't think there is any other outcome than what is correct. you can't pick and choose when to enforce bigotry guidelines. bigotry isn't any less painful to those subjected to it on certain days. saying the volume is too large is lazy. if they let this stand how could they ever enforce these rules again without being questioned. "why was it OK on the 1st of april but not the 23rd of September?" glad for the review, be a bit happier when it is dealt with properly.-el Jesus negro
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:59 pm
by jgordon1111
owenshooter wrote:IcePack wrote:I appreciate the additional review & discussion regardless of the final verdict.
Cheers,
IcePack
i don't think there is any other outcome than what is correct. you can't pick and choose when to enforce bigotry guidelines. bigotry isn't any less painful to those subjected to it on certain days. saying the volume is too large is lazy. if they let this stand how could they ever enforce these rules again without being questioned. "why was it OK on the 1st of april but not the 23rd of September?" glad for the review, be a bit happier when it is dealt with properly.-el Jesus negro
+1 bigotry being allowed is not acceptable, and when the next person gets hit for being a bigot, says but so and so wasnt punished why should I be. There isnt a precedent that can be used if these guys are punished now.
By the way nodaloyalist went wild with that crap. Mostly against one group,but irrelevant, Bigotry has always been a no no and should remain a no no.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:05 pm
by owenshooter
jgordon1111 wrote:By the way nodaloyalist went wild with that crap. Mostly against one group,but irrelevant, Bigotry has always been a no no and should remain a no no.
i didn't want to point fingers. but there are some people that should be shot right up the scale for the multiple infractions and put on lengthy vacations.-el Jesus negro
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:31 pm
by demonfork
The only form of bigotry that anyone ever gets busted for is when it's towards gays or blacks..
not so much when its bigotry towards someones;
nationality
region
language
or especially..
religious or spiritual belief
political alignment
medical disability
So what someone said fag. BFD!!
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:50 pm
by Symmetry
demonfork wrote:The only form of bigotry that anyone ever gets busted for is when it's towards gays or blacks..
not so much when its bigotry towards someones;
nationality
region
language
or especially..
religious or spiritual belief
political alignment
medical disability
So what someone said fag. BFD!!
Meh, the Islamaphobic side seems to be not merely tolerated, but close to being actively tolerated of justified.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:55 pm
by army of nobunaga
chapcrap wrote:I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.
I disagree, because all of you enable the fringe.... because you care so much.
If noone paid bigots any attention.... guess what.. they would leave and die.
If someone started talking bad about really handsome white guys, I would not care one iota.
You people should check yourselves internally.
Re: Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:58 pm
by jgordon1111
army of nobunaga wrote:chapcrap wrote:I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.
I disagree, because all of you enable the fringe.... because you care so much.
If noone paid bigots any attention.... guess what.. they would leave and die.
If someone started talking bad about really handsome white guys, I would not care one iota.
You people should check yourselves internally.
Absolutley have to disagree AOB, Bigotry has not been tolerated on this site to this point.Dont let it start now.