Conquer Club

Stephen Wayne wrote:I picked stomping but i would really prefer not to feed him because that would require me going near him

BigBallinStalin wrote:He cheated, which for many (I presume), is disgraceful.

So, how have your feelings toward BLITZAHOLIC changed? Since the bond of trust has been violated, do you feel comfortable with him being around your precious intensity cubes and territories? Or is he a welcome convict, who was just another victim of the Cycle of Violence in impoverished neighborhoods?

Dukasaur wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:He cheated, which for many (I presume), is disgraceful.

So, how have your feelings toward BLITZAHOLIC changed? Since the bond of trust has been violated, do you feel comfortable with him being around your precious intensity cubes and territories? Or is he a welcome convict, who was just another victim of the Cycle of Violence in impoverished neighborhoods?

I believe you break the rules, you should be punished, and once the punishment is over, then that's it: things go back to normal. I don't believe people should continue to stomp on someone once they've done their time: not in real life, and not in gameworlds either. Doing so implies that the punishment was inadequate (and in many real-life instances it probably is, but that's a whole different topic.)

jefjef wrote:Well at the end of the day this is still just an internet gaming site and as far as you/I know this community is just 12 people and a computer program.

jefjef wrote:Well at the end of the day this is still just an internet gaming site and as far as you/I know this community is just 12 people and a computer program.

jammyjames wrote:remind me what he did again?

king achilles wrote:After all the brouhaha, the opinions, the concerns and most of all, the facts of this case, it was agreed that another investigation was needed to be taken further, hence, the re-opening of the case. This re-investigation was undertaken in consultation with all the Admins, as well as the C&A moderators & hunters who also gave their inputs about this case.

I would also like to take this opportunity to apologize for my "local police station" remark as I admit that this case has tested my patience and I didn't take what some of you had said/suggested very lightly during the time when emotions are running high concerning this case. Anyway, moving on, this is the final conclusion:

From All the Admins wrote:Conquer Club has no stipulation that an account sitter take all the turns for the Account they are Sitting, however, we believe that Blitzaholic and Leolou2 engaged in gross abuse of the Jobiwan account, under Account Sitting Abuse.

>>Judging from general time lines, we've concluded that two infractions under Account Sitting Abuse have occurred over a duration of time:

1. The joining non-tournament games.
   
2. Taking turns with Jobiwan account as a second communal account, in games in which the parties had a stake, to gain a tactical advantage.

>>It is clear that Blitzaholic and Leolou2 went beyond the normal scope of Account Sitting, by joining and playing games from start to finish knowing that Jobiwan would be unable to return, that is, the Account Sitting was not a temporary stopgap measure to maintain the account.

>>Blitzaholic was previously only narrowly disciplined for the first Account Sitting Abuse infraction---the joining of non-tournament games (March 15th - 30th). This is what King Achilles and the Multi Hunters determined and took into account at the conclusion of the first investigation.

>>This re-investigation, with input from all the Admins, has now led to Blitzaholic receiving disciplinary action for this second Account Sitting Abuse infraction---taking turns and playing games from start to finish to gain a tactical advantage (March 6th - March 28th). This results in Blitzaholic's Second Major/Severe Infraction (being of game-related), thus a 1 Month Website Vacation from Conquer Club.

>>Leolou2, for their part, will also be disciplined for the second Account Sitting Abuse Infraction, following the above outline and time frames. This results in Leolou2's First Major/Severe Infraction, thus a Warning .

>>The Jobiwan account has been suspended to prevent further Account Sitting Abuse, and can be re-claimed by Jobiwan should he come back to Conquer Club.

>> Because of this, now future cases where it seems that an Account being maintained by Account Sitters has been abandoned for the foreseeable future, that is, that Account Sitting would seem to perpetuate indefinitely, the Account will be suspended from the website until the original owner can file an E-ticket to claim it back under their own power and responsibility.

>> Below, information for your consumption:

[spoiler=General Time Line Information]General time lines:

March 6th - 12th: Jobiwan's games seem to be played, though missed turns are starting to rack up, and players seem to be noticing that the Jobiwan account is missing turns and taking long to play.

March 13th - April 5th: Missed turns are continuing to rack up for the Jobiwan account, and now Jobiwan begins deadbeating out of multiple games and turns taken are few and far between.

March 15th - 30th: Team games with Blitzaholic, Jobiwan, and Leolou2 are initialized. Based on game numbers (since initialization dates do not reflect creation dates) non-tournament games were created originally in blocks: March 4th, March 6th, March 10th, March 14th, March 27th.

March 28th: Original C&A Report.

March 28th - 31st: Blitzaholic and Leolou2 started to post in game chats about Sitting for Jobiwan's account.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Evidence regarding the facts of the above Time Line Information]Jobiwan Games, in Game number order, looking at games from March 7th to present:

Game 8636593 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-19 10:13:20 - initialized
Game 8636598 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-17 21:07:09 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8636604 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-19 18:00:06 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8636608 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-19 08:00:47 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8636621 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-20 02:25:09 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8645010 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-18 17:14:47 - initialized

[Blitzaholic game chat post about sitting]

Game 8645011 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-17 06:06:02 - initialized
Game 8645013 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-16 01:02:28 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8646915 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 11:59:59 - initialized
Game 8647970 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:20 - initialized

[2011-03-24 10:51:05 - Deadpool: This goes a lot faster without jobiwan]

Game 8647986 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:25 - initialized
Game 8647996 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:30 - initialized
Game 8648012 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:35 - initialized
Game 8648024 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:40 - initialized
Game 8648036 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:44 - initialized
Game 8648044 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:49 - initialized
Game 8648053 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:58 - initialized
Game 8648062 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:03 - initialized
Game 8648072 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:08 - initialized

[2011-03-11 15:30:29 - morleyjoe: Too bad Jobiwan plays so slow - could have really moved these games]

Game 8649013 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:23 - initialized
Game 8649014 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:33 - initialized
Game 8649015 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:41 - initialized
Game 8652592 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-21 07:29:02 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8652598 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-22 02:26:12 - initialized
Game 8652605 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-20 11:52:36 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8652977 [Tourney] 2011-03-08 23:25:40 - initialized
Game 8659596 [Regular Trips] 2011-03-09 09:41:08 - initialized
Game 8659997 [Tourney] 2011-03-09 00:35:02 - initialized
Game 8660580 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-22 20:28:35 - initialized
Game 8660586 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-18 06:29:41 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8660598 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-22 09:31:20 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8662935 [Tourney] 2011-03-09 06:51:57 - initialized

[2011-03-21 08:08:09 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8670033 [Tourney] 2011-03-12 03:48:38 - initialized

[2011-03-20 00:38:44 - Jobiwan eliminated mightgolower]

Game 8674246 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-23 08:11:34 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8674249 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-23 17:57:57 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-02 18:14:54 - SF SGM: Jobiwan, how come you play here and not other games? / 2011-04-03 18:49:10 - leolou2: I am sitting his games I am in with him and I cant play his others and its in game chat if you look]

Game 8674255 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-24 18:53:04 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8674264 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-27 16:04:43 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8674270 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-27 18:43:16 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8679673 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-25 04:11:37 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8679681 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-23 10:38:48 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8679684 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 05:40:35 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8681056 [Tourney] 2011-03-12 11:08:43 - initialized
Game 8683068 [Tourney] 2011-03-12 17:22:07 - initialized
Game 8683986 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 00:51:33 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8683987 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 00:51:29 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-08 12:16:05 - Jobiwan was kicked ]

Game 8683990 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 00:51:24 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8684074 [Tourney] 2011-03-12 17:21:46 - initialized

[2011-03-20 00:46:59 - Jobiwan won]

Game 8686245 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 09:36:06 - initialized
Game 8686453 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 08:25:57 - initialized
Game 8686455 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 08:25:55 - initialized
Game 8686456 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 08:25:52 - initialized

[2011-03-13 11:11:13 - Woodruff: Wow, what happened to your rank?]

Game 8687252 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:51:36 - initialized
Game 8687253 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:51:47 - initialized

[2011-03-21 01:59:04 - Jobiwan won]

Game 8687254 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:51:53 - initialized
Game 8687402 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:09 - initialized

[[2011-03-29 11:06:31 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8687403 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:15 - initialized

[2011-03-29 11:04:33 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8687406 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:22 - initialized

[2011-03-29 11:05:31 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8687408 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:28 - initialized

[2011-03-29 11:08:23 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8687409 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:34 - initialized

[2011-03-29 11:03:58 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8687410 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:41 - initialized

[2011-03-29 11:07:21 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8688158 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 19:32:29 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8688165 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 21:36:58 - initialized
Game 8688168 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 01:02:03 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8689146 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 17:54:56 - initialized

[2011-03-18 16:32:00 - Jobiwan won]

Game 8690799 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:54:27 - initialized

[2011-03-17 21:54:02 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8690800 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:54:33 - initialized

[2011-03-28 10:03:56 - Jobiwan won]

Game 8690801 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:54:39 - initialized

[2011-03-17 21:55:31 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8691231 [Tourney] 2011-03-15 08:38:41 - initialized
Game 8692673 [Tourney] 2011-03-16 00:00:08 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8692778 [Tourney] 2011-03-15 11:33:14 - initialized
Game 8693811 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 17:21:20 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8693814 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-15 10:45:50 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8693819 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 18:08:14 - initialized

[Ongoing Game / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8695077 [Tourney] 2011-03-14 21:53:15 - initialized

[2011-03-20 12:54:36 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8695174 [Tourney] 2011-03-14 18:03:19 - initialized
Game 8695861 [Regular Trips] 2011-03-20 11:05:13 - initialized

[Ongoing Game / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-08 13:13:45 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8697349 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-29 23:07:33 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8697360 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-30 05:04:12 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8697366 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-30 06:34:35 - initialized
Game 8698847 [Tourney] 2011-03-15 11:33:21 - initialized

[2011-03-23 02:06:40 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8704793 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:51 - initialized

[2011-03-24 19:46:47 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8705033 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:43 - initialized
Game 8705034 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:36 - initialized
Game 8705035 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:31 - initialized
Game 8705273 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:56 - initialized
Game 8707535 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 12:44:00 - initialized
Game 8707566 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 12:43:54 - initialized

[2011-03-22 20:19:10 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8711703 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:26 - initialized
Game 8714692 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 12:42:31 - initialized

[2011-03-20 22:25:32 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8716667 [Tourney] 2011-03-18 15:02:13 - initialized
Game 8718873 [Tourney] 2011-03-19 16:08:44 - initialized

[Ongoing Game / 2011-03-29 05:01:19 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8718889 [Tourney] 2011-03-23 05:52:40 - initialized

[Ongoing Game / 2011-04-11 06:49:17 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8718951 [Tourney] 2011-03-19 12:38:43 - initialized

[Ongoing Game / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-08 16:01:11 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8719253 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 08:47:14 - initialized

[2011-03-27 15:48:01 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8720051 [Tourney] 2011-03-18 15:02:04 - initialized

[2011-03-26 09:22:24 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-18 15:05:30 - gradybridges: I can't believe how many sign up for a tourney and disappear / 2011-03-22 14:04:05 - gradybridges: what's with the missing turns? / 2011-03-23 09:26:06 - gradybridges: so another 2 days between turns? / 2011-03-24 10:18:38 - gradybridges: Can you atleast explain the missed turns?]

Game 8721322 [Tourney] 2011-03-18 15:01:59 - initialized
Game 8724180 [Tourney] 2011-03-19 09:36:53 - initialized

[2011-03-27 14:17:44 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8725081 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:20:14 - initialized

[2011-03-26 22:08:18 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8725175 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:19:56 - initialized

[2011-03-29 10:22:01 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8725303 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:20:08 - initialized

[2011-03-26 09:49:24 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8725373 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:19:50 - initialized

[2011-03-29 10:57:59 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-28 20:15:25 - ElricTheGreat: what a way to go down ... gg guys .... Jobiwan ... hope there is really something important going on the the real life for you to miss this many turns in a row ...]

Game 8725739 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:19:42 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8725775 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 07:42:10 - initialized

[2011-03-28 15:08:43 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8725831 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 01:32:18 - initialized
Game 8731164 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 14:41:21 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8731947 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 01:51:51 - initialized
Game 8731948 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 01:51:45 - initialized

[2011-03-28 00:11:38 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8731950 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 01:51:38 - initialized

[2011-03-24 18:31:55 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8736263 [Tourney] 2011-03-23 08:37:53 - initialized

[Ongoing Game]

Game 8736270 [Tourney] 2011-03-23 08:37:48 - initialized

[Ongoing Game]

Game 8737386 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 11:44:53 - initialized

[2011-03-26 10:03:49 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8739168 [Tourney] 2011-03-25 05:04:06 - initialized

[2011-03-28 09:31:55 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-26 19:09:51 - Landain: Lacika holds Russia. Should we assume Jobiwan will not show up the rest of the game?]

Game 8745781 [Tourney] 2011-03-23 09:35:11 - initialized

[2011-03-26 11:00:20 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8745794 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 23:11:59 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8754600 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:43:22 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8754801 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:43:17 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8755055 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:19 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8755060 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:28 - initialized

[2011-03-29 04:39:05 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-28 04:40:12 - sonicsteve: I'm assuming Jobiwan isn't gonna make a late entrance and drop a shedload of deferred troops here..]

Game 8755061 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:33 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8755064 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:38 - initialized

[2011-03-29 04:45:17 - Jobiwan was kicked ]

Game 8755066 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:43 - initialized

[2011-04-01 17:04:49 - Jobiwan won / Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]

Game 8755068 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:49 - initialized

[2011-03-29 04:55:24 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8755076 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:43:00 - initialized

[2011-03-29 04:49:43 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8755078 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:43:10 - initialized

[2011-03-29 04:53:46 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8756650 [Tourney] 2011-03-25 01:14:39 - initialized

[2011-03-29 04:50:02 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-29 20:10:58 - morleyjoe: He's been deadbeating everywhere - and is soooo slow a player when he's not deadbeating / 2011-03-30 11:13:01 - morleyjoe: it looks like others are playing for him, but they seem few and far between]

Game 8771783 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-30 00:46:56 - initialized

[Ongoing Game / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8786036 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 02:08:09 - initialized

[2011-04-06 18:17:39 - Jobiwan was kicked / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8790070 [Tourney] 2011-03-30 09:55:30 - initialized

[2011-04-04 09:38:57 - Jobiwan was kicked / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]

Game 8794735 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 02:08:04 - initialized

[2011-04-05 17:21:51 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8795577 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 07:44:47 - initialized

[2011-04-03 18:42:41 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8795586 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 07:43:13 - initialized

[2011-04-04 01:08:32 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8795596 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 02:07:47 - initialized

[2011-04-05 19:02:56 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8795604 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 02:07:41 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-05 05:50:19 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8795614 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 13:52:57 - initialized

[2011-04-05 09:31:26 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8796548 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 06:29:00 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-05 10:13:29 - Jobiwan was kicked]

Game 8797341 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 16:09:04 - initialized

[2011-04-04 17:26:22 - Jobiwan was kicked]

[/spoiler]

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

While there has been public discussion about Point Dumping and Point Resets, we do not have adequate evidence or conclusive evidence to pursue an infraction of that nature. We know that some of the public will be disappointed in our inability to pursue this extent of the investigation, but as I mentioned, we do not have adequate or conclusive evidence.

We regret the length of time this re-investigation has taken, but the Admins and the Multi Hunters wanted to make sure that everything was re-looked into fully. We regret the original narrow disciplinary ruling of the original investigation.

We hope that in the eyes of the Community justice has been carried out.

Go forth and Conquer.

grifftron wrote:Do I get a medal for voting here?

Uncle Death wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:He cheated, which for many (I presume), is disgraceful.

So, how have your feelings toward BLITZAHOLIC changed? Since the bond of trust has been violated, do you feel comfortable with him being around your precious intensity cubes and territories? Or is he a welcome convict, who was just another victim of the Cycle of Violence in impoverished neighborhoods?

I believe you break the rules, you should be punished, and once the punishment is over, then that's it: things go back to normal. I don't believe people should continue to stomp on someone once they've done their time: not in real life, and not in gameworlds either. Doing so implies that the punishment was inadequate (and in many real-life instances it probably is, but that's a whole different topic.)

The disgrace was probably punishment enough, but I suspect he's just waiting until memories fade enough that he can return and resume his lists and go on like nothing ever happened like American politicians and religious figures do.

Robinette wrote:

Uncle Death wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:He cheated, which for many (I presume), is disgraceful.

So, how have your feelings toward BLITZAHOLIC changed? Since the bond of trust has been violated, do you feel comfortable with him being around your precious intensity cubes and territories? Or is he a welcome convict, who was just another victim of the Cycle of Violence in impoverished neighborhoods?

I believe you break the rules, you should be punished, and once the punishment is over, then that's it: things go back to normal. I don't believe people should continue to stomp on someone once they've done their time: not in real life, and not in gameworlds either. Doing so implies that the punishment was inadequate (and in many real-life instances it probably is, but that's a whole different topic.)

The disgrace was probably punishment enough, but I suspect he's just waiting until memories fade enough that he can return and resume his lists and go on like nothing ever happened like American politicians and religious figures do.

Some come back quickly...




and some take a very, very long time...




i think it has more to do with how betrayed the people feel...
mistakes can be quickly overlooked, but the feeling of being betrayed is not.

Bones2484 wrote:I hated Blitz before hating Blitz was cool.

Gold Knight wrote:But for people that has played with Blitz, it doesnt matter whether or not you like him, but you respect his ability to play. "Cheater" or not, he's still better than 99% of the people on this site on any game type.