Conquer Club

john9blue wrote:yes

john9blue wrote:yes

Army of GOD wrote:Obviously Scotty doesn't think it's bush's fault. What about that other thread that asks where you stick it?

Phatscotty wrote:

nietzsche wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:I am wondering if I have even heard the case actually made in any detail as to whether or not this is all Bushes Fault. Obama just does the soundbyte, as most politicians do.

My belief is that most of the economies problems are due to the real estate correction. With lower prices, there are lower taxes, and then cuts to services or higher taxes (usually both. My taxes went up here and my paved road out front is now gravel). The ripple effect from real estate should be pretty obvious to most. I just would like to actually hear a detailed, fact based explanation as to how this is Bushes fault.

The Bison King wrote:I feel comfortable blaming Bush for spending Billions and billions of dollars starting 2 expensive wars. We'd probably have a lot more money if we didn't waste it on killing people.

BigBallinStalin wrote:So anybody going to counter Bison's point about those two wars?

BigBallinStalin wrote:So anybody going to counter Bison's point about those two wars?

maasman wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:So anybody going to counter Bison's point about those two wars?

I think the wars are a part of last decades problems. Another is the fact that we, as a nation, can't get along anymore or make fair compromises. Also, I think people also overestimate the amount of power the president has in general in shaping the economy. The president may have all the best ideas, but if congress won't pass it, it's worthless, especially since every member of congress wants whats best for the voters that got them into office and not necessarily the nation as a whole.

Phatscotty wrote:Okay I am 100% with you guys so far about Iraq. But, like always, can I color the tone with a US hegemonic dollar perspective?

The question here, how do you feel about Iraq given that Saddams refusal of the USD for his oil could have led to a dollar dumping contagion by other likewise interested but less vocalized middle east nations so fast and furious that the bailouts and stimilus package would look like tiddly winks in comparison?

All that bullshit, you are right, it was all half truths and straight up BS sometimes. How the hell would Bush etc make the case for war based on US monetary domination? The only time I think this was ever referenced was in the use of the term "national security"

Woodruff wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Okay I am 100% with you guys so far about Iraq. But, like always, can I color the tone with a US hegemonic dollar perspective?

The question here, how do you feel about Iraq given that Saddams refusal of the USD for his oil could have led to a dollar dumping contagion by other likewise interested but less vocalized middle east nations so fast and furious that the bailouts and stimilus package would look like tiddly winks in comparison?

All that bullshit, you are right, it was all half truths and straight up BS sometimes. How the hell would Bush etc make the case for war based on US monetary domination? The only time I think this was ever referenced was in the use of the term "national security"

I personally think those other nations are simply too damn greedy to be interested in doing anything of the sort. Otherwise, they'd have completely throttled us back by now and sent us back to the dark ages.