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Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:03 pm**

Meant to say he unlocked the pershy case in the main thread

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:24 pm**

I don't know what this game is about, but every time I see it in the forum list the title is more and more interesting!

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:26 pm**

By the way, Robik, I voted you because (a) I was already suspicious of jak and (b) you've been extremely volatile since joining.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:43 pm**

pretender77 wrote:
IAmRobik wrote:
pretender77 wrote:All I've gotta say is that THE THRONE has placed votes twice and both times it has been on scum. THE THRONE must have some sort of investigative power that gets mafia and also.....I think it's pretty safe to say the throne is town. SAVE BETIKO

fp by rob betiko...And can we kill rob tomorrow? pleaseeee
fp betiko
Please justify why you want me dead if you want me dead. So far there has not been a single accusation against me other than that I'm an asshole (true) and that I'm being disruptive, jokey, and not taking this game serious (100% untrue)
you are absolutely insane. You are asking questons whose answers are obvious if you've read everything

This is not an accusation. Wanting me dead cause "i'm insane" and cause i'm "asking obvious questions", when I've admitted that I haven't read the thread yet is terribad rationalization.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:46 pm**

Army of GOD wrote:By the way, Robik, I voted you because (a) I was already suspicious of jak and (b) you've been extremely volatile since joining.

So, I can't change your opinions of JAK, but I'm not JAK. JAK was town, and I'm replacing him, which makes me town as well. I'm volatile and angry because I'm town and being called mafia with little to no justification besides the fact that I want to kill people. The reason I want to kill people is because I know I'm town, so the more people that die by my hand and the longer that I survive, the better chance town has of winning.

Everyone wants me dead cause I was BM and angry and volatile. These aren't mafia traits. These are personality traits.
I may even being very into role playing my character...who knows

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:09 pm**

IAmRobik wrote:Everyone wants me dead cause I was BM and angry and volatile. These aren't mafia traits. These are personality traits.
I may even being very into role playing my character...who knows

You sure that's it? I woulda guessed it's because you stated you would shoot one of the strongest Town reads in the game seemingly because you were raging at him rather than for any actual case against him. Then proceeded to threaten anyone else who questions you:

IAmRobik wrote:Now I'm pissed and don't give a f*ck.
I will be shooting betiko tonight.
Anyone else who questions me for the rest of the game will also get a shot in the fucking face

I'm willing to give you one pass for having a bad day but you shoot betiko or start raging again for little reason then I'll be the first to policy vote you out of the game... and I abhor policy votes.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:38 pm**

@Betiko it was Zivel who wanted the names of X and Y. I couldn't care less, I was merely trying to understand your theory through your jumbled up English

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:58 pm**

MudPuppy wrote:
IAmRobik wrote:Everyone wants me dead cause I was BM and angry and volatile. These aren't mafia traits. These are personality traits.
I may even being very into role playing my character...who knows
You sure that's it? I woulda guessed it's because you stated you would shoot one of the strongest Town reads in the game seemingly because you were raging at him rather than for any actual case against him. Then proceeded to threaten anyone else who questions you:

IAmRobik wrote:Now I'm pissed and don't give a f*ck.
I will be shooting betiko tonight.
Anyone else who questions me for the rest of the game will also get a shot in the fucking face
I'm willing to give you one pass for having a bad day but you shoot betiko or start raging again for little reason then I'll be the first to policy vote you out of the game... and I abhor policy votes.

Betiko has a very strong town read, and has proven himself a valuable asset by leading mafia lynches two days in a row. Robik, I read you as town, but would be very skeptical of your usefulness if you were to shoot one of our most productive players your first night.

My hope is that we can set aside the strong emotions that are flying around the room and get back on track hunting scum.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:08 pm**

legionnare wrote:@Betiko it was Zivel who wanted the names of X and Y. I couldn't care less, I was merely trying to understand your theory through your jumbled up English

You have not been trying to understand it, you have been trying to demolish my case at all cost (funnily enough, my "jumbled english" was understood by everyone else).
If you didn t understand my case, why did you not say so without attacking then?
You haven t tried to put yourself in my shoes at any given moment. I gave you the elements I had in hand (X and Y's combined yet semi-contradictory results, pershy confirming he was in king s landing, pershy voting no lynch the day we lynched mtam)
From those elements I elaborated a theory that I explained, and that had a logical frame. I expressed several times that it was just a theory, the only thing you tried to do was to discredit me twisting the truth and coming up with irrational stuff and skimming. I think you pretty much outed yourself trying to save your scum buddy there.

Fp

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:26 pm**

Yeah have to agree with Betiko. Right now, Legionaire is the top of my scum list for that.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:42 pm**

Actually... We re being a bit stupid. We are not exploiting this game as much as we can.
Basically zivel and robik can kill for town right now. There is no reason to "take a night break" and just discuss casually.
Zivel, you can only kill once per cycle right? (Day A + night A) so we can t use your ability right now.
Given that robik outed himself as a town vig; who would be the best target tonight?
I m not sure robik would agree to follow the legionnare lead, but i d be in favour of threatening to kill legionnare if he doesn t claim. I m fine with building his case.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:49 pm**

I hadn't thought about it early as they could counter the moves but with a M. Roleblocker and an M. Busdriver down, we may be at the point where we can safely do such.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:04 pm**

betiko wrote: Zivel, you can only kill once per cycle right? (Day A + night A) so we can t use your ability right now.

Correct, whats your plan? Get ole psychopants over there to shoot legionnaire?

I am not sold on the legionnaire case just yet, let me read up some more. I was also on the fence about this pershy gambit and so can kinda see where he was coming from.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:10 pm**

Antagonizing him isn't going to solve anything. He's settled down a bit and may be more helpful than you are giving him credit for.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:26 pm**

strike wolf wrote:Zivel, How do you know he is third party?

IAmRobik wrote:
Everyone wants me dead cause I was BM and angry and volatile. These aren't mafia traits. These are personality traits.
I may even being very into role playing my character...who knows

Nah I want you dead cause I think your slot is dodgy. Your predecessor was very keen on working out where the throne was and was talking a lot in our city about getting it and him holding it. Funnily enough one of the first things you state in our city is that you want the throne for yourself... This seems way too obvious as third party wanting the throne.

My reservations about it are that Jak, your predecessor, I have a hard time reading as he is a pain in my arse and obsessing over the throne could well be his meta. Also the fact that you both have been so bloody obvious about wanting the throne makes me feel a little dubious, maybe it is all a ruse and you are sucking me in. But I would happily have your slot dead just to make myself feel better. And if the throne does rear its ugly head, then I will be doing my utmost to keep it from you.

FP by strike: Yeah you are right, I enjoy his play and he could be quite helpful but you have to admit that the ranting was entertaining, and I am still questioning his obvious 'throne hunting'

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:33 pm**

Zivel wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Zivel, How do you know he is third party?

IAmRobik wrote:
Everyone wants me dead cause I was BM and angry and volatile. These aren't mafia traits. These are personality traits.
I may even being very into role playing my character...who knows
Nah I want you dead cause I think your slot is dodgy. Your predecessor was very keen on working out where the throne was and was talking a lot in our city about getting it and him holding it. Funnily enough one of the first things you state in our city is that you want the throne for yourself... This seems way too obvious as third party wanting the throne.

My reservations about it are that Jak, your predecessor, I have a hard time reading as he is a pain in my arse and obsessing over the throne could well be his meta. Also the fact that you both have been so bloody obvious about wanting the throne makes me feel a little dubious, maybe it is all a ruse and you are sucking me in. But I would happily have your slot dead just to make myself feel better. And if the throne does rear its ugly head, then I will be doing my utmost to keep it from you.

FP by strike: Yeah you are right, I enjoy his play and he could be quite helpful but you have to admit that the ranting was entertaining, and I am still questioning his obvious 'throne hunting'

1) I still don't know what the throne is
2) I think everyone in the game who is confident in themselves should want the throne, as it probably allows for some additional powers
3) I think I'm the best player in any game that I play, so I want as much power as possible so I can have as much influence as possible
4) If I don't get to man the throne, it really doesn't matter too much. I win with town. That's my only win condition. No third party. No attaining the throne. Nothing.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:32 pm**

I think you have to look at the greater good regarding the throne, Rob. If it truly isn't part of you win condition, you should know that the throne has been a vote on both of the lynched scum so far. The longer the throne's identity stays hidden, the better we'll be. That said, you know how to make an entrance.

I consider 5 people to be completely cleared: the 3 from KL, betiko, and Mr. X. If anyone is honestly questioning betiko at this point either has an ax to grind or is oblivious to everything that has happened to this point.

Zivel, you said you have to kill once per cycle. . . against whom did you use your first attack? I could be just forgetting this or have missed it. I feel better about your alignment after you proved your ability.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:59 pm**

Epitaph1 wrote:
Zivel, you said you have to kill once per cycle. . . against whom did you use your first attack? I could be just forgetting this or have missed it. I feel better about your alignment after you proved your ability.

Ok I have not told anyone this so shhhhh, but I have been trying it out on Jak/Robik. I dont know their character so it been shots in the dark and none of them have hit. To be honest there are a lot of characters in GoT so my chances of hitting were pretty slim lol, but one day...

Not tonight though cause I cant use it, I used it during the day.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:05 pm**

Zivel wrote:
Epitaph1 wrote:
Zivel, you said you have to kill once per cycle. . . against whom did you use your first attack? I could be just forgetting this or have missed it. I feel better about your alignment after you proved your ability.
Ok I have not told anyone this so shhhhh, but I have been trying it out on Jak/Robik. I dont know their character so it been shots in the dark and none of them have hit. To be honest there are a lot of characters in GoT so my chances of hitting were pretty slim lol, but one day...

Not tonight though cause I cant use it, I used it during the day.

That's fucked up

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:17 pm**

I can only use it during the night so its only been two shots and to be fair, Jak was my top read.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:07 pm**

Another botched claim and a mafia death. Nice. We're shooting 33% right now. Either mafia are really sucking it up, or there are a lot of them.

To me, Robik has partially claimed already...I'm more than willing to hear his full claim and see how it sounds against Jak's previous play. Jak deserved to have attention anyway, but mafia kept falling in our laps...actually, let's see what tonight turns up. Maybe someone else falls into our laps.

Betiko...there is a 3rd party in your town that has claimed? Interesting...I guess as long as you deem him to be cooperative, I'm okay with keeping him hidden.

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:14 am**

IAmRobik wrote:
betiko wrote:If you are so blatantly trying to ruin the game, I think you just deserve a modkill.
You have a horrible attitude ever since you first posted in here. If you didn t want to play this, you should ve said so to storr. In the first place.
You are openly not catching up on what happened and you are going against the rules of the game as you are obviously not playing to win and you are here just to troll your friends from another forum.

I request a modkill or a replacement of this clown.
Are you fucking serious? How am I trolling? You're talking shit out of your ass you lil piece of shit.
I'm not actively catching up yet. I'm at work and I'm also playing another mafia game simultaneously (which I got to start from the beginning), so sorry if my motivation to catch up on 30 pages isn't there. I've been active since when I've started and given my reads since when I started. You said that I'm playing against the rules is utter horseshit. What have I done that's against the rules? Huuh? Show me you lil bitch.

Now I'm pissed and don't give a f*ck.
I will be shooting betiko tonight.
Anyone else who questions me for the rest of the game will also get a shot in the fucking face

I asked Storr if i could act as a replacement and he acted as if doing so would ruin the game.

What a tool this one.

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:25 am**

Ok, since it is nice and quiet I am going to have a look at the two mafia we have voted off:
Day one
pershy voted for crasp
Mtam voted no lynch
Neither changed their vote.

pershys best post was:

Spoiler

pershy wrote:OMG u guys r crazy. This is the most hard core mafia game I've played in a while.
OK - my take on betiko is that a small thing got blown up. I mean - I can understand why he got attention in the first place, but it's D1 - we don't have enough info! The heat seems to be off for now.
However the pressure is on. It seems we have to vote and quickly! Everyone has to vote and there is a time limit. I'm not used to this. I'm used to taking things slower on D1 and letting it heat up on subsequent days. Sometimes I don't even vote til D2 or 3.
Anyway - I will have to look at it more closely but my gut feeling was more towards others - Neb, pretender77 and ninja.
Ninja seemed aggressive to me, pretender seemed to contradict his normal self (I'm used to playing with him in our clan and he's playing quite differently this time - which is cool, I shouldn't be prejudice but u know when u know someone and they act all weird) and Neb was questioning roles too and asking townie like questions about the best way to filter the info coming in when I know he is an experienced player.
That's how I role - I start off with a few gut feelings and see if it develops into something else.
So I'm not too comfortable with this idea of having to vote every day. I don't think this is in town's favor. It adds an element of pressure which could benefit scum imo.
Anyway - I will try and vote soon as time is running out, but it seems it's gonna be a strategic vote this round rather than an informed one and group decision cause of the pressure....
I appreciate the challenge though.

His reads for scum were Neb, pretender and ninja

I could not find any decent post from Mtam

Day two
pershy voted for no lynch
Mtam voted for me and then changed to no lynch
Mtam was lynched and flipped bus driver.

pershys best post was:

Spoiler

pershy wrote:Hmm -

well, there are a lot of us and too many directions to possibly go in. We need to find one clear direction and the one that stands out to me is what Charm says. But then weirdly didn't back it up. I assume she had her reasons.

There is a lot of speculation on the death and icy fingers. On D1 I read the white walker theories and then dismissed them as GOT is so rich in characters (goodies and baddies) that there are more than enough characters to go around without assigning non descript white walker roles to players. However, the death does seem to be at the hands of a white walker, at least that's how it appears to me and a few others. So this is a possible line of investigation. We have established that character and role do not have a direct relation - so Joffrey could be town and Ned mafia. That would be weird. However there haven't been any mafia reveals yet so they could be white walkers - in which case they would have to fake claim character or may even be provided with fake character claims as has been mentioned.
Also one would think White walkers would have the power to convert. I shudder at that thought and it was also something I considered and dismissed on D1. Right now I am reconsidering everything, but I after the death agree that it is an important area of speculation.

We have the votes and bandwagons as a possible line of investigation as has been mentioned. Will have to double check that in the vote thread.

And we have a few cases being made - Zivel etc. Will consider those too.

And then there's the thing about the Iron Throne. We know that it must have some significance but we don't know what yet. Maybe 1 person does or a small group of people. Maybe mafia are on it or not. Maybe there is something important about the iron throne that would hurt town if mafia found out (i.e. who is sitting on it or where it is). So I am cool with speculating but maybe not exploring that avenue in too much detail at the moment in case.

So for me the most important thing that is on the table at this very moment is what Charm said as she seems to know something -
charm wrote:Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!
This gives us the info that there is a mafia blocker and that the block didn't work.

What I don't understand is why she didn't say who it is if she is onto them. I guess she must have her reasons though so I don't want to push - but surely we could have a scum in our sights. Hopefully she will elaborate soon. In the meantime I guess it's a question of going over the potentially suspicious posts in the thread and the vote lists.

@Strike wolf - I appreciated your lists - info like that is helpful to town. But I didn't find it very clear - (no underlining etc.) Bear in mind that anything not clear adds to the fog in the end. Did you count players' posts? It is v important to keep an eye on inactive players - too easy to scumarine in a game this size.

fastposted by jak

A lot of mechanics and not one read.

Mtam posted a good one though:

Spoiler

mtamburini wrote:Read day 1

Here are my likes
27ninjabunnies (played with her before I like her starting conversation in BOD to start activity)
Jak (Also been pretty active, I liked the fact he wanted to skip joke phase as we only have 72 hours and that could waste a bit of time that we dont really have)
Neb (played a couple games with him, Ive had him as scummy in almost every game Ive played with but his play thus far has been consistent imo from the games I have played with him)
Boone (stroking my ego always gets you into my town circle)
Legion (Hes paying attention to the game found a hotshot contradictory post and applied pressure, ++ points)
crasp (His posts seem different from the last game I played with him and more in line with the game I modded)

Neutral on
Epitaph1 (His last couple posts in the day seemed really towny, I think crasp couldve been a way to easy lynch and pursued firth as a lynch --points for firth being town)
Strikewolf (Most of his posts have been towny but there are some things I disagree on with him)
Hotshot (not sure how to read him, but his posts have been more towny)

Here are my dislikes
Strike wolf list (He has bunnies at the bottom of his list when I would place her more at my top quarter of people, not sure how you can create a list thus early in the game you gave me a more towny status then someone who has been very active in the game. GMEOY) Maybe I dont understand your list but if this is the case Im not a fan of it thus far.
AoG (from my experience playing forum mafia his posts dont scream towny to me)
MudPuppy (Read a post about him wanting to lynch due to inactivity / lack of posts, you would prefer to lynch someone you dont have a read on rather than someone you do have a read on?)
Zivel (I dont understand your argument to defend bunnies when you have never played with her before)

No read on everyone else strong enough worth talking about IMO

Day 2

Charm roleblocked ?!? Not sure what to think about this with regards to her alignment but I will lean on town. I dont see a townsided roleblocker blocking charm he did not really participate much yesterday enough for me to get a read on.

People I like today
Hotshot (because of my new dislike for legion)
Jak (nothing has changed since day previous)
jonty (similar reads to me)
neb (nothings changed)

People I dont like
legion (pointing out the IB may not have been a target and couldve been on someone else and took the bullet, talking with a bit too much info, also looking for people that IB was pressuring on in hopes to create another ML)
zivel (Didnt like you yesterday, the pressure your receiving today you dont seem to be handling well)

Waiting on more people to post, AoG still on scummy side but hasnt posted yet so I will reserve judgement for now.

FPD 3 times

Here his reads were:
Day 1 town: 27ninjabunnies, Jak, Neb, Boone, Legion, crasp
Day 1 neutral: Epitaph1, Strikewolf
Day 1 scum: AoG, MudPuppy, Zivel
Day 2 town: Hotshot, Jak, jonty, neb
Day 2 scum: legion, zivel

Day three
Pershy voted for betiko
Pershy was lynched and flipped roleblocker

There are a lot of posts that I wont link as most of it was claiming but there are three scum reads: charm, bunnies and betiko

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:35 am**

betiko wrote:
27ninjabunnies wrote:Pershy roleblocking makes sense since he has been suspecting me, but I just don't see a town roleblocker here. Idk, I'm quite confused. And Shae could so be mafia *spoilers if you understand what happened in season 4 finale* *Yes, I know, we already established that characters could be either alignment*

If Pershy flips town here, I would Look into strike wolf over boone as the anti town in kings landing.

However, did I see that boone visited hotshots Night 1? And he dies night 2? Possible mafia stalker, and that's why hotshots died?

Just something to keep in mind.
Boone could have perfectly said that Y was lying regarding her N1 visit and it would ve made Y lost his credibility on X visiting pershy.
If pershy turns town, he had a big scum read on you and strike sees you as scum over boone. I still think that pershy will flip mafia or anti town.

Fp

thank you for saying this. i was thinking it.

also, holy shit 5 pages in 24 hours... I need to get reading!

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:40 am**

IAmRobik wrote:
betiko wrote:If you are so blatantly trying to ruin the game, I think you just deserve a modkill.
You have a horrible attitude ever since you first posted in here. If you didn t want to play this, you should ve said so to storr. In the first place.
You are openly not catching up on what happened and you are going against the rules of the game as you are obviously not playing to win and you are here just to troll your friends from another forum.

I request a modkill or a replacement of this clown.
Are you fucking serious? How am I trolling? You're talking shit out of your ass you lil piece of shit.
I'm not actively catching up yet. I'm at work and I'm also playing another mafia game simultaneously (which I got to start from the beginning), so sorry if my motivation to catch up on 30 pages isn't there. I've been active since when I've started and given my reads since when I started. You said that I'm playing against the rules is utter horseshit. What have I done that's against the rules? Huuh? Show me you lil bitch.

Now I'm pissed and don't give a f*ck.
I will be shooting betiko tonight.
Anyone else who questions me for the rest of the game will also get a shot in the fucking face

not cool rob. chill.

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