Conquer Club

Here is why sheep cannot be left alive.
If he live throught the day he will make a recruitment tonight. If he succeeds, his cult will gain a role of untold power. There is no way he can for certain stop him from recruiting tonight. Sheep says his cult has a killer in it. Unless we lynch this person today, (and why would sheep truthfully tell us who that is?) that person could murderfy the psychologist and we wouldn't even know if sheep recruited the person we tell him to. Nothing good can from from letting sheep live and grow his cult. (Which is what he will certainly do, as there is no way we can stop him if he lives. The best possible scenario that I see coming from letting sheep live is if he fails at recruiting and one of the other cults takes him out.

spiesr wrote:Here is why sheep cannot be left alive.
If he live throught the day he will make a recruitment tonight. If he succeeds, his cult will gain a role of untold power. There is no way he can for certain stop him from recruiting tonight. Sheep says his cult has a killer in it. Unless we lynch this person today, (and why would sheep truthfully tell us who that is?) that person could murderfy the psychologist and we wouldn't even know if sheep recruited the person we tell him to. Nothing good can from from letting sheep live and grow his cult. (Which is what he will certainly do, as there is no way we can stop him if he lives. The best possible scenario that I see coming from letting sheep live is if he fails at recruiting and one of the other cults takes him out.

We can ask the person if they are the killer if they say no we lynch sheep. So if thier telling the truth and they aren't the killer then we get sheep for being a liar and a cult leader. If the person is the killer and they lie we lynch sheep crippling his cult and his chances of winning, while still maintaining him as a suspect. If the killer admits to it then we know the identity of two major scum rather than one.

Win win situation.

What if the killer lies and says no but he is the killer? We lynch sheep anyway? Why would the killer say yes? And isn't a cult leader worse than a killer cause they can recruit peole and such? *sigh* if on;y we could just kill everyone we wanted durring one day.

Sorry for the inactivety recently I was out of town.

To all of you who say that I am a bandwagoner and want to lynch me because of it: I do it every game and I obviously not scum every time.

Anyways, sheep said that he investigated three people in two nights. Even after claiming leader he still tries to pretend that he has investigative powers. He did not think through either of his claims and is probably a blue/green cult meber but not leader. He still should not be left alive even if he is telling the truth so vote sheep.

Could we have a vote count?

derfderf34 wrote:Sorry for the inactivety recently I was out of town.

To all of you who say that I am a bandwagoner and want to lynch me because of it: I do it every game and I obviously not scum every time.

Anyways, sheep said that he investigated three people in two nights. Even after claiming leader he still tries to pretend that he has investigative powers. He did not think through either of his claims and is probably a blue/green cult meber but not leader. He still should not be left alive even if he is telling the truth so vote sheep.

Could we have a vote count?

Fine don't believe me derf, I'm hurt that you would doubt my honesty.

captainwalrus wrote:What if the killer lies and says no but he is the killer? We lynch sheep anyway? Why would the killer say yes? And isn't a cult leader worse than a killer cause they can recruit peole and such? *sigh* if on;y we could just kill everyone we wanted durring one day.

Then we have lynched a cult leader and have a cult killer at the top of our scum list. Seems pretty dam good days work to me.

pmchugh wrote:

captainwalrus wrote:What if the killer lies and says no but he is the killer? We lynch sheep anyway? Why would the killer say yes? And isn't a cult leader worse than a killer cause they can recruit peole and such? *sigh* if on;y we could just kill everyone we wanted durring one day.

Then we have lynched a cult leader and have a cult killer at the top of our scum list. Seems pretty dam good days work to me.

Because if sheep names someone as his cult's kill maker and then they say he is lying are they are not the killer. We then lynch sheep. Then how do we know that the person who they are not the cult killers is or is not the killer? You seem to have implied that we would know somehow.

sheepofdumb wrote:I'm an investigator that searches for cult stuff. I checked out pmc last night, kage night 1, and Stroop night 2

Wow, I can't believe that derfderf is the only one who realized that there have been only two nights.

I feel he should be left alive if he can help us find the green cult leader. Since our green investigator is dead, it would be extremely useful.

If not we should lynch.

So my question is; how can you help us hunt green?

sheepofdumb wrote:I'm an investigator that searches for cult stuff. I checked out pmc last night, kage night 1, and Stroop night 2

That was when I was lying mind you.

Specific Question, how do we know that Sheep is not protecting his leader? And that his leader is not one of you saying/will say "we need to lynch him maybe?"
Not that I am opposed to this idea... I think that we are on the right track. But I don't see it as any certainty that he's anyone special.
No offense sheep, you're special IRL . But, not in a "special way...."
Crap, being nice doesn't translate well on the web.

Actually,
unvote, vote sheep

Why would you let him live? How many nights are you going to willingly give him to recruit if he is the leader? And if he actually is a leader, why aren't his cult coming forward and telling him to stow it? Either they are not posters, or they have a plan. Besides that, he can gain your trust by giving you a name, and then mess with you the rest of the game. I for one do not want to take that risk. Pptttthpppppttttthh, jog on.

Well, sheep obviously has a plan, he wouldn't just throw the game away like that. The thing is that for a short while our and his objectives(if his claim is true), will be the same. Namely taking out the other clans.
After that period is over he'll obviously try to gain the upper hand, while we'll try to take him out.

The thing is, he kind of has the advantage, he tells us about his role and cult whatever he wants. What if he tells us another member of the cult is the killer(one that isn't actually the killer), and that member confirms. Or what if he is indeed trying to protect the leader of the cult with all this claiming. Think about it, his first claim was ridiculously bad, if he isn't a truly terrible player he had to know that noone would buy that.

Anyway, my vote stands for now. But i do want to hear who sheep says is the killer. So please do share sheep.

Well, as you know, I am completely opposed to letting sheep live another night. That being said, if you want him to give you a name first, that is fine. But, I don't think it would be very useful really. Sheep has no real reason to tell us the truth. The most likely thing that would come out of it is some WIFOM. But, if you want him to give you a name it is okay with me, as long as we don't try something stupid like switching today's lynch to that person.

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Well, sheep obviously has a plan, he wouldn't just throw the game away like that.

He was in a tight stop, he was acquiring votes, so then he made his fake claim. His claim was failing so he had to try anything that would keep him alive a little longer. His choices were try to ride it out on the fake claim or tell "the truth" and try to convince the town to let him live for a little while. I don't think he has a real master plan; he is probably just making this up as he goes now. He obviously didn't want to have to come out and say he was the cult leader.

Juan_Bottom wrote:And if he actually is a leader, why aren't his cult coming forward and telling him to stow it?

How do you propose they would do that without giving away that they are his cult mates. Besides, how do you know they aren't, they would obviously make that communication via pm.

This is starting to smell like a trap.

Why would he say Red cult leader. Then we don't even have to lynch him. The RED version of Ani would do that for us. I think he said this to try and bait us and finding out his color via lynch sounds good.

unvote (just in case)

vote sheepofdumb

Also, does anyone know what the vote is; sheep can't be that far from a lynch.

Sheep needs to tell us his killer.

*calls nate* "Nate! Heres your pancakes!"
*nate comes running and starts devouring the pancakes*
"Now nate could we know the vote count now?"
"When I get back"
"But you are already here?"
"Hey this is just something stupid that derf posted and means absolutly nothing"
*Derf feels left out and doesnt wnat to say anything*

ace1217 wrote:Sheep needs to tell us his killer.

hey maybe if we all say that exact thing he will do it
sheep needs to tell us the killer(if he isnt lying which i am pretty sure that he is, he is probably a blue/green member that is just trrying to prtoect his leader since he isnt telling us what he had promised)

ace1217 wrote:Sheep needs to tell us his killer.

Oh yeah, I need to tell you the killer when I'm around -1. Yeah right. If I do that I'd have lined up your next few lynches.

And I'd be dead.

omg town is so slow.

We have a chance to gain a suspect from the cult itself and we are turning it down? Forget tonight think about now and our lynch today. Can you people not add 2 and 2 together?

Possible Scenarios
1.Sheep has to tells us a member of his cult and they deny it and we lynch sheep.

Win. We lynch sheep and have a cult member to investigate tonight.

2.Sheep tells us someone who isn't a member of his cult they deny it and we lynch sheep.

Win. We lynch sheep and use an investigation to clear someone.

3.Sheep tells us someone in his cult and the accept it.

Win. We now have even more power over Red cult.

4. Sheep is lying and is actually a less powerful cult role, in 1 and 2 we lynch a cult member and in 3 we have two out of three red cult members.

sheepofdumb wrote:And I'd be dead.

Think of it this way. You tell us the killer, or we kill you. It's very simple.

ace1217 wrote:

sheepofdumb wrote:And I'd be dead.

Think of it this way. You tell us the killer, or we kill you. It's very simple.

Yes but you lot need to unvote first.

Sheep will not give out names if were are going to kill him anyway.

pmchugh wrote:omg town is so slow.

We have a chance to gain a suspect from the cult itself and we are turning it down? Forget tonight think about now and our lynch today. Can you people not add 2 and 2 together

4. Can you not see that whoever sheep names, it's just a big WIFOM?

Lynch him already, there's no need for all this.

Stroop wrote:

pmchugh wrote:omg town is so slow.

We have a chance to gain a suspect from the cult itself and we are turning it down? Forget tonight think about now and our lynch today. Can you people not add 2 and 2 together

4. Can you not see that whoever sheep names, it's just a big WIFOM?

Lynch him already, there's no need for all this.

Not if they admit to it. And if they dont then sheep is dead anyway.