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GabonX wrote:Information came to light regarding the interogation methods used by the CIA. Water boarding and a number of other methods used have been seen as controversial.

I understand that people have a negative view of this, but it is irrational to pass judgement without all of the information. At this point, after extensive media coverage and change to a new administration which is very much against what happened, it is likely that we have fairly accurate information about this topic.

The information we have had states that three people were water boarded extensively (to the tune of several hundred times each), but this is still a very small number of people. The most recent information we have been given indicates that this interrogation resulted in averting a second act of airplane highjacking and vandalism.

Is it possible that they are lying? Sure, but it is very unlikely. The current administration as well as Congress has access to the information in question and both have remained silent. If in fact there were more people who were water boarded and this hadn't averted an attack it would be in this administrations political interests to make this known. Despite this they have not refuted any of this information which means that it is most likely accurate.

GabonX wrote: lends credibility to Cheney's claims.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

GabonX wrote:Information came to light regarding the interogation methods used by the CIA. Water boarding and a number of other methods used have been seen as controversial.

I understand that people have a negative view of this, but it is irrational to pass judgement without all of the information. At this point, after extensive media coverage and change to a new administration which is very much against what happened, it is likely that we have fairly accurate information about this topic.

The information we have had states that three people were water boarded extensively (to the tune of several hundred times each), but this is still a very small number of people. The most recent information we have been given indicates that this interrogation resulted in averting a second act of airplane highjacking and vandalism.

Is it possible that they are lying? Sure, but it is very unlikely. The current administration as well as Congress has access to the information in question and both have remained silent. If in fact there were more people who were water boarded and this hadn't averted an attack it would be in this administrations political interests to make this known. Despite this they have not refuted any of this information which means that it is most likely accurate.

The Problem with such techniques is that you can force anyone to say anything under torture. The real truth is is that waterboarding has NOT provided real information. The REAL information (such as who really was the mastermind behind the Bombing) came to the FBI investigators before torture was used. This IS confirmed by top officials in the FBI, etc.

Further, the techniques that Bush administration used that ARE considered torture is more than just waterboarding. They include putting people in boxes, hanging them for long periods of time, etc. In many cases, the people using these techniques violated the standing orders.. even th expanded orders put forth by the Bush administration. For example, exceeding time limits given for keeping people in one position, etc.

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targetman377 wrote:water boarding, sleep deprvation, confined places, and the others listed in this artical are not torture by any means.

Resolved Question Show me another? »
Is it true that the American military executed WWII Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American soldiers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

here's a snippet from that article:
"in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor,"

sounds to me like that japanese soldier was punished for waterboarding an american...
1 year ago

Juan_Bottom wrote:

targetman377 wrote:water boarding, sleep deprvation, confined places, and the others listed in this artical are not torture by any means.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 158AAmFMkA

Resolved Question Show me another? »
Is it true that the American military executed WWII Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American soldiers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

here's a snippet from that article:
"in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor,"

sounds to me like that japanese soldier was punished for waterboarding an american...
1 year ago

targetman377 wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:

targetman377 wrote:water boarding, sleep deprvation, confined places, and the others listed in this artical are not torture by any means.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 158AAmFMkA

Resolved Question Show me another? »
Is it true that the American military executed WWII Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American soldiers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

here's a snippet from that article:
"in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor,"

sounds to me like that japanese soldier was punished for waterboarding an american...
1 year ago

1st off i would not agree with that senance at all if you look at tortue i difine it in much harder terms. what the nazis did that was torcher cuting fingers off is torcher. what we are doing is not. if you dont belive me that is cool.

targetman377 wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:

targetman377 wrote:water boarding, sleep deprvation, confined places, and the others listed in this artical are not torture by any means.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 158AAmFMkA

Resolved Question Show me another? »
Is it true that the American military executed WWII Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American soldiers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

here's a snippet from that article:
"in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor,"

sounds to me like that japanese soldier was punished for waterboarding an american...
1 year ago

1st off i would not agree with that senance at all if you look at tortue i difine it in much harder terms. what the nazis did that was torcher cuting fingers off is torcher. what we are doing is not. if you dont belive me that is cool.

targetman377 wrote:1st off i would not agree with that senance at all if you look at tortue i difine it in much harder terms. what the nazis did that was torcher cuting fingers off is torcher. what we are doing is not. if you dont belive me that is cool.

targetman377 wrote:water boarding, sleep deprvation, confined places, and the others listed in this artical are not torture by any means. if you do not belive me ask what did the nazis do to torcher people. last time i cheeked these will not kill someone. the nazis cut off fingers. and others so this is not torture if any one claims it is does not know history and should shut up.

GabonX wrote:No, the CIA has stated that a second act of airplane highjacking and vandalism was averted due to the interrogation. You guys are denying what happened based on a negative emotional reaction you have to percieved torture.

GabonX wrote:Believe me, this isn't the last we are going to hear about this, but if it really weren't true we would have likely heard from the current administration. Why would it be in their interest to hide the fact that water boarding did not avert an attack if it were true?

GabonX wrote:Hopefully the reports are released in a reasonable amount of time.

Ben Franklin wrote:He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.

GabonX wrote::roll:

Exactly what would the CIA use to "carpet bomb" a given party? I think you're a bit confused as to who is who and who has what.