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[Metsfanmax]

Mate, I'm very happy to leave things as they stand. Pushing this further seems a bit cruel

Agreed.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ Wing


Fair enough. But does Sharia Law trump government laws of a nation? I believe that if a person might makes an agreement with a person it's none of the government's business. But if it goes to the courts of government then what happens? Now if Sharia goes black market style then the government won't even know.

I am not going to give an opinion from a position of ignorance. If I did I would just end up looking like a fool, just like yourself and Symm. Debate without understanding is worthless.

[mrswdk]

If anyone's interested, the UK Government permits Sharia courts to operate in the UK but they have no legal authority whatsoever.

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/48352

[saxitoxin]

If anyone's interested, the UK Government permits Sharia courts to operate in the UK but they have no legal authority whatsoever.

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/48352

IIRC, and I may not, the UK's permission for Sharia "courts" is more a general permission that any two people can consent to resolve disputes in front of a private arbitrator of their choosing. Prior to arbitration, the two parties sign a contract that binds them to the decision of the arbitrator and the contract can then, in turn, be taken to a standard civil court for enforcement, though the judgment can't exceed the normal limits of contract law (a civil court will enforce a judgment from a sharia arbitrator that Party A has to pay Party B £50 or something, but won't enforce a judgment that Party A gets to chop off Party B's hand).

So two people in the UK could also consent to have their disagreement resolved in front of an arbitrator applying Talmudic Law, or Klingon Law, or Murphy's Law, if they wanted.

a very libertarian approach

[warmonger1981]

So your saying that Britannica is wrong? Is Britannica preaching falsehoods? Are you implying that democracy over rules Sharia? Are you saying that Sharia has had drastic changes in its philosophies? Are countries that have Sharia becoming more progressive? How are gays treated under Sharia? Or women? Is it any different than when Mohammed was alive or has it basically stayed the same? No culture is identical but are very close. Sharia is a religious system. Not so much political. Religion comes first then politics. Please point out the lies that Britannica is saying here? If the "static" thing is all you can come up with that's pretty lame.

[warmonger1981]

@ wing

You brought yourself into this conversation. Why even start if your ignorant in the subject. If your ignorant in the subject how can you call me or Sym foolish? That would imply that your educated in the subject. At least enough to think I'm foolish. If your not going to debate this then I ask you leave. You have no knowledge of this and your only going to water this down. Like you said debate without understanding is worthless. And your worthless in this debate. Bye bye.

[tzor]

Even a cursory example of states that operate Sharia law will show you different cultures. I'm sorry, but if you think Saudi Arabia and Iran, are operating under identical static legal systens, you need to look at where you messed up.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are two completely different sects of Islam, it's like comparing Catholics to Protestants ... almost literally. And these two sects do kill each other on a frequent basis because they believe the other is a major heresy. Never the less, it's not Iran that is funding all of the Islamic schools throughout the world, it's the House of Saud.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Why even start if your ignorant in the subject.

Can you read that, and realise that you are a hypocritical a**hole please.

I didnt start this, I commented on Brexit, you know the actual topic of this thread. It was you who brought your ignorance (sorry Brittanica based ignorance) of Sharia law to this thread.

Now please leave.

I am not refering to this thread, but conquer club.

[mrswdk]

please leave.

Underlying truth of this whole thread.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

please leave.

Underlying truth of this whole thread.

Just keeping us on topic.

[warmonger1981]

I brought up Sharia Law. Remember your the one who said Sharia Law should be part of the argument. We are now in thus argument. So your saying Britannica is wrong? I thought you were uneducated on the subject yet you act like you know something. Silly gorilla. That's why your a gorilla and I'm human. I'm superior to your gorilla tactics. Now go eat a banana. You know the one that's in your ass.


In Islamic jurisprudence it is not society that molds and fashions the law but the law that precedes and controls society.

If you feel this is a falsehood then your ignorant and oblivious. Sharia law in incompatible with democracy. You act like you know nothing yet speak as if you do.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I brought up Sharia Law. Remember your the one who said Sharia Law should be part of the argument discussion

THE discussion. Not THIS discussion.

[thegreekdog]

The states within the United States are, by and large, beholden to the federal government. The states have not been a collection of individual sovereign states since the mid 19th century. While the Constitution was meant to give limited power to the federal government (i.e. tzor's second paragraph), that largely fell apart as a result of the US Civil War and the early 20th century depression. Additionally, while there are some Americans who want to return to the original model (i.e. me), likely 85%+ do not.

The seed was planted at the end of the civil war, but the leviathan didn't appear until the progressives started appearing decades later (starting with good old Teddy Roosevelt). Never the less, the only reason (apart from military force) why New York would not want to leave the United States is that the US is still the sole support of military forces for the states. The EU hasn't a military function, NATO is a separate organizational structure that, ironically enough, includes the United States, each "state" in the EU still maintains a military.

While you believe in the BORG, there are still those who do not want to be assimilated. I actually want to take the founder's vision to the NEXT LEVEL. Catholic teaching on politics has always been based on subsidiarity or the notion that government should always be at the lowest level possible which is practically feasible, so as to be close to the people it governs as possible. The needs of the farmland are not the needs of the suburbs and are not the needs of the urban centers. Of course, the men who were redesigning the Articles of Confederation weren't redesigning all of the various state constitutions, or county/parish constitutions, so that wasn't possible in that document, but that should still be the goal, not a one law that somehow has to apply to all types of possibilities, enforced by one global enforcement agency.

There may be those who want to make the US more like the EU, but those people are few and far between and do not want to engage in the level of action to take it that far.

[warmonger1981]

Ah the specifics of the English language. "The" not "this".

[waauw]

[Bernie Sanders]

Nationalism = Ignorance

[mrswdk]

Given John Oliver leads that segment by debunking a Vote Leave myth that has already been debunked about 1 million times in the British press, then follows that up by going 'Vote Leave are racists', I think we can safely conclude he has nothing of worth to say about Brexit.

[riskllama]

yeah but, he's funny AND he's on tv...

[mrswdk]

And that is why I am voting Trump! ^3^

[thegreekdog]

And that is why I am voting Trump! ^3^

I took two things out of that video:

(1) 300 million pounds a week is wrong, but 190 million pounds (after rebates) is somehow okay.
(2) 109 regulations for pillows where 3 (and perhaps more) relate to products other than pillows; nevermind that each of the regulations Mr. Oliver quoted seem also stupid and, you know, regulations.

However... I enjoy John Oliver. I like silly English people.

[waauw]

And that is why I am voting Trump! ^3^

I took two things out of that video:

(1) 300 million pounds a week is wrong, but 190 million pounds (after rebates) is somehow okay.
(2) 109 regulations for pillows where 3 (and perhaps more) relate to products other than pillows; nevermind that each of the regulations Mr. Oliver quoted seem also stupid and, you know, regulations.

However... I enjoy John Oliver. I like silly English people.

I took somewhat more out of it:

(3) Most experts agree it would have a negative effect on GDP
(4) Even if the UK left the EU, the only way they can export any of their products to the EU is by adapting to EU regulations, on which at that moment they would have no influence whatsoever.
(5) Idem for immigration, they would have to adapt immigration laws to those of the EU or risk what Switzerland got, EU sanctions.
(6) UKIP are a bunch of assholes.

[thegreekdog]

And that is why I am voting Trump! ^3^

I took two things out of that video:

(1) 300 million pounds a week is wrong, but 190 million pounds (after rebates) is somehow okay.
(2) 109 regulations for pillows where 3 (and perhaps more) relate to products other than pillows; nevermind that each of the regulations Mr. Oliver quoted seem also stupid and, you know, regulations.

However... I enjoy John Oliver. I like silly English people.

I took somewhat more out of it:

(3) Most experts agree it would have a negative effect on GDP
(4) Even if the UK left the EU, the only way they can export any of their products to the EU is by adapting to EU regulations, on which at that moment they would have no influence whatsoever.
(5) Idem for immigration, they would have to adapt immigration laws to those of the EU or risk what Switzerland got, EU sanctions.
(6) UKIP are a bunch of assholes.

Yeah, I would have gone with just those reasons or explained better why 190 million is actually better than 300 million a week. Based on everything I've read, it seems like leaving the European Union is a mistake economically, which should really be the only answer. And I'm not in the UK (or the EU) so I don't really care either way. I'm still not sure how it will affect the US.

[mrswdk]

Re waauw's 5 - most of the Brexit campaigners seem to be proposing that if the UK left the EU, it would not seek to join the EEA (and would therefore have no need to adopt the EU's freedom of movement).

Personally for me #4, the prospect of a bunch of UK-EU trade tariffs and the fact that almost every expert things Brexit is a terrible idea is all the information I need to go on.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

(4) Even if the UK left the EU, the only way they can export any of their products to the EU is by adapting to EU regulations, on which at that moment they would have no influence whatsoever.

And those exports would be?

[thegreekdog]

Re waauw's 5 - most of the Brexit campaigners seem to be proposing that if the UK left the EU, it would not seek to join the EEA (and would therefore have no need to adopt the EU's freedom of movement).

Personally for me #4, the prospect of a bunch of UK-EU trade tariffs and the fact that almost every expert things Brexit is a terrible idea is all the information I need to go on.

Given that the experts are from a wide range of industries and don't have a common interest, I'm going with the experts as well. I wonder how much of the Brexit movement is related to immigration concerns.