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ep on really was a good ep but the only thing that i believe that dragged it down was jar jar, i mean he talks like an italian with a speach inpedament!

Newcastle wrote:ep on really was a good ep but the only thing that i believe that dragged it down was jar jar, i mean he talks like an italian with a speach inpedament!

I think he was supposed to be a stereotype of a Caribbean islander.

do they look like fish?

You mean to tell us you haven't seen the Prequels yet?

I envy anyone who hasn't.

Jenos Ridan wrote:You mean to tell us you haven't seen the Prequels yet?

i've seen all the prequels once - that'll do.

True, they were horrible, especially the first one. I haven't watched them in a while (meaning, many years). I'm sorry, but the acting in the originals is better, even though the main characters of Luke, Han and Leia are played by then-second rate actors. Natalie Portman and Hayden whats-his-name just flat suck. The only good actors were Christopher Lee, the guy who played Palpatine, Ewan McGregor, Liam Neelson (though both played lousy parts, they did what they could) and the voice of Yoda. Sorry Samuel L. Jackson fanatics, but Mace Windu sucked.

Good points Jenos. In my opinion the only actors worth mentioning in the prequels is the guy behind Palpatin, Liam Neeson, and Jar jar(f*ck I'm kidding!). Other than them there's just pitiful acting going on. I didn't like Ewan's acting at all. Obi wan was such a pussy in the prequels.

Aegnor wrote:Good points Jenos. In my opinion the only actors worth mentioning in the prequels is the guy behind Palpatin, Liam Neeson, and Jar jar(f*ck I'm kidding!). Other than them there's just pitiful acting going on. I didn't like Ewan's acting at all. Obi wan was such a pussy in the prequels.

Liam Neeson in Episode I is certainly awesome. I love his stoicism mixed with gentle, loving kindness. BUT, probably the best two characters in ALL OF STAR WARS (I've decided recently since owning all 6) are Obi Wan + Yoda in Episode III. Their combined efforts in that film make me weep. It all comes to a head when the Jedi are being slaughtered. When Obi Wan says to Padme, "I'm so sorry", when Yoda senses his betrayal, kills his foe, and rides away on a Wookiee's back, when Obi Wan turns his back on Anakin's burnt body.

Ok, so my friend and I are having this debate over the trench run from A New Hope. When Biggs and Wedge drop back, they say "We'll cover you Luke". Now my friend says that that's not covering, and that they were being stupid. Now I contend that "covering" also means being a meatshield and soaking up some hits.

He claims that real covering is what the Millenium Falcon did. I figure Biggs and Wedge can't have pulled out of the trench because they needed to take the shot on the exhaust pipe if Luke got shot down. They wouldn't have had time to get back into the trench and destroy the Death Star if they covered from above.

What do you all think?

I think that Luke had to use the force anyway to make that shot, so it doesn't matter.

safariguy5 wrote:Ok, so my friend and I are having this debate over the trench run from A New Hope. When Biggs and Wedge drop back, they say "We'll cover you Luke". Now my friend says that that's not covering, and that they were being stupid. Now I contend that "covering" also means being a meatshield and soaking up some hits.

He claims that real covering is what the Millenium Falcon did. I figure Biggs and Wedge can't have pulled out of the trench because they needed to take the shot on the exhaust pipe if Luke got shot down. They wouldn't have had time to get back into the trench and destroy the Death Star if they covered from above.

What do you all think?

Your friend forgets that if the Falcon was covering, it did a lousy job, since one fighter was damaged and another in sort order got slagged, barely arriving in time to save Luke. Also consider the jamming, which according to the novel, was distorting space-time. Given that, and a trench, how great is your manuevering going to be? They did what they could and the whole idea was to tie up the fighters and guns so at least one fighter could land a torpedo in the vent. Did you friend never hear of 'taking one for the team'?

Aegnor wrote:I think that Luke had to use the force anyway to make that shot, so it doesn't matter.

But only Leia, Han, Chewie, to a point Vader and the Droids had a clue that Luke was gifted. So we can't use that as a prop here.

Any more trekkies out there? Or warsies? Both are invited.

Hello, anybody home?

i don't think the acting was all that much better in the originals - i'd say it was the actors charisma (han solo) vulnerability (luke skywalker) and being so off their heads they thought that she was a princess fighting a real evil galactic empire (leia)!

... Star Wars, the originals from the 70's and early 80's were fantastic. The prequels blew big chunks.

... However, in my mind it's not that the acting is poor in the prequels...

... 1. The story sucked. I mean, what was the story? (in the prequels). It was simplistic in the extreme.

... 2. The originals were so immensely popular, and had become so famous, that nothing could live up to the hype and expectations of the fans.

... 3. (and this is the biggest reason, imho). George Lucas' mind is still in 1977. Had any of the prequel story lines seen the light of day back in the 70's / early 80's, they would have been considered great. The audience has changed. These days we want more involved characters. We need more shades of gray. We need more grit, grime and... for lack of a better word, realism. I mean, "Whoopie!" ??!!

... Lucas would have done well to hand the writing pen off to somebody better qualified.

Nobunaga wrote:... Star Wars, the originals from the 70's and early 80's were fantastic. The prequels blew big chunks.

... However, in my mind it's not that the acting is poor in the prequels...

... 1. The story sucked. I mean, what was the story? (in the prequels). It was simplistic in the extreme.

... 2. The originals were so immensely popular, and had become so famous, that nothing could live up to the hype and expectations of the fans.

... 3. (and this is the biggest reason, imho). George Lucas' mind is still in 1977. Had any of the prequel story lines seen the light of day back in the 70's / early 80's, they would have been considered great. The audience has changed. These days we want more involved characters. We need more shades of gray. We need more grit, grime and... for lack of a better word, realism. I mean, "Whoopie!" ??!!

... Lucas would have done well to hand the writing pen off to somebody better qualified.

episode three, in my opinion, did live up to this. But the other two sucked.

lduke1990 wrote:all he needs is one fast ship and an incendiary device fired via projectile launcher, the force would help too, but we know that he isn't force sensitive

Incendary devise? Really? A gigaton nuke is incendary ?

proton/photon (same thing really just different series, and I can't really think atm) torpedoes are NOT gigaton nukes, if they were an unsheilded frigate would be obliterated in a matter of seconds. the only reason the death star one was destroyed was because the torpedoe hit it's reactor core, causing it to go critical, which caused a chain reaction which destroyed the space station.

Nobunaga wrote:I mean, "Whoopie!" ??!!

Now that's one of the most convincing arguments I've heard against the prequels.

Of all the prequels, I enjoyed Episode III the most. It was almost as dark as The Empire Strikes Back. The original Episode IV was just unlike anything that I had seen before...George Lucas really made it fun to go to the movies.

i do think you hit a pretty good point there....(not that i know for sure of course...im just a baby) but when the first batch came out...they really were doing some stuff that was pretty on the cutting edge and changed thigns a lot. Even though the tech for the new ones was really impressive...it didnt have the "we are seeing something thats never been done before" feel that a lot of people seem to talk about the first 3 movies as having.

Three was dark and good.
First two were way to light.

Mostly I think it was the sensation that made the original so popular

return of the jedi was the best
new trilogy was weak compared to the original(new is my generation)
wouldnt mind a Shadows of the empire movie or a bounty hunter wars trilogy.

Like Boba Fett and Zuckus,