Caleb the Cruel wrote:So, the new list of people who have officially un-subscribed since I was bannished...
Aegnor hecter duday53 wcaclimbing djt5483 Aries glee jnd94 Joep the 2nd Molacole Skittles! Vincent M
...and there are still a few others that have said they plan on un-subscribing.
You forgot Orange-Idaho-Dog (I think that is what it is) also left, and he voted against you.
Your correct war_bloodline, Puff turned me and atleast one other person who won't step forward against Caleb. After i started to get to know Caleb, the more i saw my mistake in believing Puff and trying to vote Caleb out. Therefor, i quit RORF.
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The leadership has changed, Puff is now a regular member. A fairly unknown member of the clan, Chad22342, has apparently been elected to moderate the clan. I have sent a pm to Chad22342 asking how the clan will be managed by the new leadership and what his personal positions are in regards to inactives and membership requirements. If he reports that it will be majorly democratic, then I may be impressed enough to request membership again and if I re-join, I would encourage everyone who left with me to re-join as well. But if he reports that the majority will not rule the clan, I will set up some private forums at proboards and all ex-RORF members(and a couple angered people that are still members of the RORF) will automatically be able to join.
Chad22342 wrote:I will hope to run the ideal clan. We will not have member requirements because this is for the people who love playing the game and do that(the issue on inactives will be voted on later). we will try to run an 100% democracy on all the problems that require it. It is possible for a larger problem to arise and in that case i will get a few honorable members together to decide our course of action.
I do not think that this is good enough democracy, he seems very much like Puff. At this point I will not re-join the RORF, I do not encourage ex-RORF members to re-join under the new leadership, and I encourage everyone who is still a member of the RORF that wants more democracy to un-subscribe.
I will make some private forums over the weekend for all ex-RORF members.
Caleb, I find it impossible to sum up the changes the clan will have to undergo in a few sentences though when i say 100% democracy I mean everything will be voted on in the forum no matter what the issue but the plan to take action will be discussed among honorable players of the clan(I will not be a part of this group they will come to me with their desicion.) This group will not remain the same it will change regularly. So in time everyone's overall opinion is used.
Chad22342 wrote:Caleb, I find it impossible to sum up the changes the clan will have to undergo in a few sentences though when i say 100% democracy I mean everything will be voted on in the forum no matter what the issue but the plan to take action will be discussed among honorable players of the clan(I will not be a part of this group they will come to me with their desicion.) This group will not remain the same it will change regularly. So in time everyone's overall opinion is used.
You said you will not allow membership requirements, but then you turn around and say it is 100% democratic. That makes no sense, what if the majority wants requirements? Also, your idea of the honorable players making decisions for the clan is much like Puff's jury system where a few individuals make decisions for the whole group, which again is not 100% democratic. This makes you seem way too much like Puff for me to re-join.
I apologize for my reasoning but it is not my choice to accept it. You seem to want membership requirements though i don't feel they are nesecary. If a clanmember would like them then we could have a vote. Honestly the clan isn't made to build rivalries or gain enemies its for people who enjoy the game and want to group together to play others.
I find it highly difficult to run a 100% democracy and keep everyone happy. There will always be people who are dissapointed with the votes and may speak out or rebel but I can't stop that. It will always happen and it is inevitable. Though it is possible to have a fair governing system and thats what i'm aiming for.
Chad22342 wrote:I apologize for my reasoning but it is not my choice to accept it. You seem to want membership requirements though i don't feel they are nesecary. If a clanmember would like them then we could have a vote. Honestly the clan isn't made to build rivalries or gain enemies its for people who enjoy the game and want to group together to play others.
Wait, so if the majority wants membership requirements, you are willing to enforce them?
can we all just rejoin, and make a vote for it in the clan forum, and make a desicion via a poll (which say has a minimum time period of say 2 months) and get back to being a clan that gets along? i for one enjoyed the games we were setting up and feel everyone rejoining can only be good for the clan even if there are a few issues which need to be resolved.
alex_white101 wrote:can we all just rejoin, and make a vote for it in the clan forum, and make a desicion via a poll (which say has a minimum time period of say 2 months) and get back to being a clan that gets along? i for one enjoyed the games we were setting up and feel everyone rejoining can only be good for the clan even if there are a few issues which need to be resolved.
