UN authorises No-Fly Zone over Libya

[Qwert]

110 misile hit "target" hmm some civilian all ready protected for good. If these continue for long period,i think that Nato have chance to kill more civilian then quadafi. If troops are in cities,i dont know how can bomb hit something and not be danger to civilian been killed.
But all these can create countereffect, and more and more people can switch side and start supporting quadafi, but these depend on how "colateral damage" will cause NATo forces.

[Pirlo]

Could any recommend a good book on how these types of politics and decision-making processes play out? I'm not talking about some vanilla US Government book, but something more complex that focuses not just on the US Government but also on related matters like certain big business interests, the Pentagon, NATO, the State Department, and intelligence agencies.

I heard that some books by Jimmy Carter deal with this.. I didn't really read them, but I heard him saying one that a book by him deals with the criteria you have to meet and people you have to satisfy in order to reach the White House.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keyword ... ter&page=1

- AC

[jefjef]

Peace Movement and International Community Mobilizing to end the brutality the Libyan mad man!

!!!! The African Union has demanded "political reform" in Libya !!!!

PARIS, March 19 (Reuters) - Following are key quotes from leaders gathered in Paris as a coalition of world powers began U.N.-mandated military action in Libya on Saturday:

FRENCH PRESIDENT NICOLAS SARKOZY

"It's a grave decision we've had to take.

"Along with our Arab, European and North American partners, France has decided to play its part before history.

"This is why, in agreement with our partners, our air forces will counter any aggression by Colonel Gaddafi's aircraft against the population of Benghazi. As of now, our planes are preventing air attacks on the city of Benghazi. As of now, other French aircraft are ready to intervene against armoured vehicles which threaten unarmed civilians.

"Colonel Gaddafi has scorned our warnings. In the past few hours his forces have intensified their murderous offensive.

"The Libyan people need our aid and support. It's our duty.

"We are doing it to protect the civilian population from the murderous madness of a regime that in killing its own people has lost all legitimacy.

"There is still time for Colonel Gaddafi to avoid the worst, by acting without delay and without reservations in accordance with all the demands of the international community. The door of international diplomacy will open again the moment attacks end."

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER DAVID CAMERON

"Colonel Gaddafi has made this happen. He has lied to the international community, he has promised a ceasefire, he has broken that ceasefire.

"He continues to brutalise his own people so the time for action has come. It needs to be urgent, we have to enforce the will of the United Nations and we cannot allow the slaughter of civilians to continue.

"Obviously at this time our thoughts should be with those who are going to risk their lives to help the lives of others. I think it is vitally important that, with the United Nations behind us, with the clear legality of this action, and with local countries supporting us as well, it is right to act.

"Of course, there are dangers. There are difficulties. There will always be unforeseen consequences of taking action. But it is better to take this action than to risk the consequences of inaction, which is the further slaughter of civilians by this dictator flouting the United Nations and its will."

U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON

"We have said from the start that Arab leadership and participation in this effort is crucial.

"(Intervention) is to protect civilians and it is to provide access for humanitarian assistance.

"Further delays will only put more civilians at risk.

"We did not lead this. We did not engage in unilateral actions in any way, but we strongly support the international community taking action against governments and leaders who believe as Gaddafi is unfortunately doing so now."

EU FOREIGN POLICY CHIEF CATHERINE ASHTON

"The UN Security Council resolution 1973 has sent a strong and unequivocal message to Colonel Gaddafi: the violence against the people must stop immediately, the Libyan population must be protected.

"Colonel Gaddafi had and still has a choice to make. Either he abides immediately by the UNSC resolution or the international community will have no choice but to continue to act. I hope he will listen to the demands of the Libyan people, the European Union, the Arab League, the African Union and fulfill all the conditions set out by the international community in the UNSC resolution."

GERMAN CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERKEL

"We are united that the war must be ended. The resolution must be pushed through.

"We will not take part in the action in military terms. We will take on additional responsibilities in Afghanistan.

"No one will succeed in dividing the international community in its determination. We stand united at the side of the Libyan people and stand united that the Gaddafi's war against his own people must be ended and a ceasefire must be implemented.

"I have called for a comprehensive oil embargo because this would hit the Libyan regime hard.

"We are ready to relieve NATO particularly in its AWACS capabilities by taking on additional responsibilities in Afghanistan... Also we will naturally be prepared for the American bases in Germany to be used for military action.

"The next few days will be decisive.

"I believe that the presence also of the countries that are not participating militarily is very important because we have made clear that the resolution counts and this resolution must now be implemented. We will not participate militarily in the action."

ITALIAN PRIME MINISTER SILVIO BERLUSCONI

"I have proposed that the military coordination of the operation be in the NATO base at Naples."

"For the time being we are making the bases available but, if they request it, even military intervention (is possible)."

CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER

"The parameters of our mission are clear. They are wide ranging and they do not include on-the-ground action.

"It is our belief that if Mr. Gaddafi loses the capacity to enforce his will through vastly superior armed forces, he simply will not be able to sustain his grip on the country.

"We are dealing with an individual and a regime that will not be satisfied with the mere reimposition of its authority. The nature of this leader and the nature of his regime is they will massacre every single individual they even remotely suspect of disloyalty. This is an intolerable situation, this is what the entire international community understands."

U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL BAN-KI MOON

"Everything depends upon how Libyan authorities will comply with the Security Council resolutions. I again urge, in the strongest possible terms, that Libyan authorities must fully comply with resolutions and they must immediately stop these military hostilities."

SPANISH PRIME MINISTER JOSE LUIS RODRIGUEZ ZAPATERO

"The Libyan regime has not complied with the United Nations' resolution. It still has a chance to comply, immediately. That is the first demand of this meeting: immediate compliance."

[Qwert]

well i know where is military help urgently need-SOMALIA, but hey these country dont have oil like Libya, Why dont US, and NAto send hes troops there and finaly resolve all troubles,and establise democratic country? Country who dont have oil, and other waluable natural resources, not importan for US and NATO. I have feel that one day US will provoke war with russia, because these country have so much natural resources,that its worth to fight war for all these.

[saxitoxin]

Obama's Littlest Victims -
(48 Kindergartners Slaughtered in Tomahawk Strike ordered by Nobel Peace Prize winner - were they violating the No-Fly Zone? Where is the mouthpiece media like CNN, NPR, FOX? Why only Bosniak, Serbian, Arab media reporting this?)
http://www.kurir-info.rs/planeta/ponovo ... -81018.php



Arab League Reverses Position, Condemns American Aggression

Arab League chief Amr Moussa called for an emergency meeting of the group of 22 states to discuss Libya. He requested a report into the bombardment which he said had "led to the deaths and injuries of many Libyan civilians. What is happening in Libya differs from the aim of imposing a no-fly zone."

http://us.mobile.reuters.com/article/to ... me=topNews

CPI(M) Party in World's Largest Democracy - India - Denounces Obama

“The hypocrisy of the Western powers can be seen in their connivance with the Saudi military intervention to crush the popular and peaceful revolt in Bahrain. The West has no compunction in resorting to force to secure its interests in oil-rich Libya and the Middle East. They are now repeating what they did in Iraq, which led to deaths of millions of people and large scale destruction.”

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 555998.ece

Cindy Sheehan Denounces Obama

"I just hope the people of Libya realize that it’s way more of an honor to be killed by a US bomb than by a Libyan bomb and what an honor it is that the US is paying attention to their internal strife. My country would never do anything wrong when a Democrat is president."

http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/

Louis Farrakahn Denounces Obama

"Whenever government wants you to support an action they are already undertaking, the must make the person they hate a boogeyman. Who the hell do you think you are Obama?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Y-_JsNrxiM

Dr. Ron Paul Denounces Obama

"Our own puppet government in Saudi Arabia sent in troops to quiet Bahraini demonstrators. Over 2,000 Pakistani citizens have been killed by America's drone attacks."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R325K6al ... r_embedded

[jefjef]

well i know where is military help urgently need-SOMALIA, but hey these country dont have oil like Libya, Why dont US, and NAto send hes troops there and finaly resolve all troubles,and establise democratic country? Country who dont have oil, and other waluable natural resources, not importan for US and NATO.

Somalia natural resources: Largely unexploited reserves of iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, uranium, copper, salt; likely petroleum and natural gas reserves......

Louis Farrakahn

You're quoting LF? Really? Well here is a quote for ya saxi.

The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man.
Louis Farrakhan

[saxitoxin]

LOL! Canadian War Machines Still Trying to Get Off the Ground: "Hey guys, we wanna be in the war too! Wait for us!"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011 ... ml?ref=rss

[BigBallinStalin]

Peace Movement and International Community Mobilizing to Protest America's War of Aggression!

!!!! The African Union has demanded an "immediate halt" to American attacks against Libya. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 493fb9a.d1

!!!! Russian Federation calls for end to military action against Libya by NATO mercenaries. http://rt.com/news/libya-intervention-russian-reaction/

!!!! Protesters descend on Obama's heavily fortified presidential palace to show solidarity with Libyan people. US Secret Police reportedly harassing peaceful protesters.

!!!! Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela jointly denounce Obama's aggression a crude play for oil. http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/wo ... 6024861708



Pro-Peace, Anti-War Links to Forward -

Serbian People Mobilizing to Support Col. Qadaffi (16,000 members in just 2 days and growing! ... FAST! - Check out the Photo Gallery):
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-f ... 95?sk=info

The People United Shall Never Be Defeated! (Anthem of Latin-American Anti-US Activism)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpSwSBbdxM&t=1m25s

Germany's Second-Largest Opposition Party - The Left - Demands End to American Warmongering Against Libya (in German)
http://die-linke.de/nc/presse/presseerk ... en-nieder/

Socialist Workers Party Decries US Aggression against Peaceful Libyan People
http://socialistworker.org/2011/03/19/a ... -and-power

Anti-Libya Oil War Commentary from Canada:
http://gregoryhartnell.wordpress.com/

OOO! OO!! I KNOW THIS GAME.


The BS one is the third one, right?

[BigBallinStalin]

well i know where is military help urgently need-SOMALIA, but hey these country dont have oil like Libya, Why dont US, and NAto send hes troops there and finaly resolve all troubles,and establise democratic country? Country who dont have oil, and other waluable natural resources, not importan for US and NATO. I have feel that one day US will provoke war with russia, because these country have so much natural resources,that its worth to fight war for all these.

Hey, they already did! Remember the proxy war US fought against Somalia via the Ethiopian Wehrmacht? [/sarcasm] It failed miserably because they were trying to prop up an unfavorable government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Somalia_%282006%E2%80%932009%29 (wikipedia for what it's worth, but it's not too bad).

I don't see why the US would provoke a war against Russia... Sure, it has plenty of natural resources, but it also has a strong central state that's good enough at mobilizing its military to defend itself. Also, I don't see which neighboring countries would really be in support of such a war, and how they could somehow avoid later repercussions from the Russians.

It's such a huge power play that directly affects the economies of so many different and large countries (namely China, India, much of Europe). It just doesn't seem worth it.

[Qwert]

big balin,i dont say now-i say in future,when US stay withouth oil, and gas. Ofcourse US for now attack only weak countries ,like Iraq, Libya, and maybe next will be Iran.
They dont like Venezuela, because they dont play like they want( venezuela also have nice reserves).
Somali goverment,who are recognise by UN,US,Britain ,France, are holding control over 10% of somalia. I dont understand,why they not bring resolution,and send troops to finaly crush Islamic rebelions,and protect civilians,and bring peace and end 10-20 years civilian war.
These look like double standard-IN libya they want to take all necesery measure to protect civilians- in Somalia,they give up. I dont understand.

[saxitoxin]

Pics from today's Anti-Obama Youth Rally in support of the Libyan people in Belgrade, Europe. On less than 24 hours notice more than 1,000 youth - joined by older members of the community - braved chilly weather to take to the streets to demand peace for the Libyan people.

Western Reporting on This (Or any of the Anti-Obama Rallies Being Coordinated Around the Globe by the International Peace Movement) = 0

[jefjef]

AFRICA UNION tells it's sugar daddy Godaffy:

In a statement released on Sunday, the AU panel called on the Libyan authorities "to diligently facilitate the delivery of humanitarian assistance to populations in need" and "ensure the protection of foreign nationals, including African migrant workers, living in Libya."

The panel, which recognizes the legitimate aspirations of the Libyan people for democracy, political reform, justice, peace and security, as well as socio-economic development and the need to ensure that these aspirations are met peacefully and democratically, urged all concerned to adopt and implement political reforms needed to resolve the crisis in the north African nation.

Africa Union obviously knows the truth about Libya, a major financial supporter, and Godaffy, the AU leader in 2010 and is barely sugar coating it's condemnation.

[BigBallinStalin]

big balin,i dont say now-i say in future,when US stay withouth oil, and gas. Ofcourse US for now attack only weak countries ,like Iraq, Libya, and maybe next will be Iran.
They dont like Venezuela, because they dont play like they want( venezuela also have nice reserves).
Somali goverment,who are recognise by UN,US,Britain ,France, are holding control over 10% of somalia. I dont understand,why they not bring resolution,and send troops to finaly crush Islamic rebelions,and protect civilians,and bring peace and end 10-20 years civilian war.
These look like double standard-IN libya they want to take all necesery measure to protect civilians- in Somalia,they give up. I dont understand.

Well, from what this professor's ongoing research suggests: Somalia is on par and in many areas actually performing better than other sub-Saharan countries whose governments exert more central control.

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/somalia-failed-state-economic-success/


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http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=140689

I made a thread on it if you're interested.

[BigBallinStalin]

+1 for jefjef's and saxitoxin's propaganda battle

[Pirlo]

I disagree with all foreign interference, but I can tell you that a man like Gadafi is crazy and may do anything. he bribed a lot of media means to use different terms.

also, I heard he bribed a lot of people in Europe to protest. not sure though.

- AC

[saxitoxin]

The news I've read has suggested France would be taking the lead on this one. As well as the UK and a number of arab league states. From what I've read the US isn't taking the lead here, nor does it want to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12795971

I'm not saying this as hyperbole, but fact: France is only able of sustaining operations in Libya under no-combat conditions. If Libya were ever to fight back it would be a real mess. Knowing that the US club is in the closet requires Libya make the strategic decision not to fight France. So, yes, even in the absence of a single American aircraft it's America's fault. Four Danish fighters here and 6 Canadian fighters there and a couple Dutch AWACS are all just dressing on this salad. Essentially useless. Cardboard cutouts. Decoration so the voters back home can feel proud and put a flag out on their doorstep.

If France suffers a Suez moment you'll see the Yankees falling on Libya like a vampire on a virgin. They'll be bombed into the stone-age by the Yankees as France sits quietly in the corner having her bloody nose mended by the UK before they curl up on the sofa together and have a good cry.

Guess ol' Saxi actually knows what he's talking about. Salon plays catch-up to ol' Sax. As they assess, this is a US war - Obama has just ordered the Empire's puppet states of Canada, France and the UK to run diplomatic cover by lobbing a handful of bombs over the fence, then backing off while Big Daddy does his thing.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_ ... _coalition

But it's quickly becoming clear that the bombing campaign -- at least so far -- is almost entirely an American operation, albeit one that has been packaged to give it an international look. It's a dissonance that brings back memories of George W. Bush's much-mocked "coalition of the willing." The grandstanding was left to Sarkozy, who had ordered French planes to make the first flights over Libya -- before U.S. aircraft got involved. But strikes by over 100 American cruise missiles quickly followed the French action, and early Sunday morning a slew of American planes -- including B2s, F-15s, F-16s, Navy EA-18G electronic warfare planes and Marine attack jets, according to the AP -- bombed Libya.

Picture: America and her "equal partners" Canada, UK, France, Italy and Denmark


Tweet of the year:



http://twitter.com/#!/LandDestroyer/sta ... 5465687040

[jefjef]

Hi saxi!!!!

Interesting pic. Do you know the difference between these US protesters and protesters in Libya?

NO HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS OR TANKS OR SNIPERS ARE SHOOTING AT THEM... Do you know why? Because this is freedom and here in the United States of America we are the ones providing security even for those that disagree.

[saxitoxin]

Hi saxi!!!!

Interesting pic. Do you know the difference between these US protesters and protesters in Libya?

NO HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS OR TANKS OR SNIPERS ARE SHOOTING AT THEM... Do you know why? Because this is freedom and here in the United States of America we are the ones providing security even for those that disagree.

[Ray Rider]

Pics from today's Anti-Obama Youth Rally in support of the Libyan people in Belgrade, Europe. On less than 24 hours notice more than 1,000 youth - joined by older members of the community - braved chilly weather to take to the streets to demand peace for the Libyan people.

Western Reporting on This (Or any of the Anti-Obama Rallies Being Coordinated Around the Globe by the International Peace Movement) = 0

Hi saxi!!!!

Interesting pic. Do you know the difference between these US protesters and protesters in Libya?

NO HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS OR TANKS OR SNIPERS ARE SHOOTING AT THEM... Do you know why? Because this is freedom and here in the United States of America we are the ones providing security even for those that disagree.

Good point, Jefjef. And Saxi, I don't know about where you live, but in my area of Canada, Libyans are marching in the streets to show their support for the Allied mission there.

Oh, and what year is that from? Obviously that is the exception, not the norm.

btw here's a good link comparing Libya's air force to that of the allies' air force. It says there that a Tomahawk missile is worth $560,000. If that is so, the US has already spent over 50 million dollars on their missile strikes! Sounds pretty crazy to me, especially at a time when the US is struggling financially. As I said before, I think Libya is small fry that should be handled primarily by the nations of the EU and Arab states, since they have more interest in the region. The US should be sitting back and continuing to work on tying up the loose ends in Afghanistan and Iraq, not starting a new war.

On another side note, do you think it was coincidence that the US launched those missiles almost eight years to the day of the start of the Second Gulf War? I pity Saxi and all the conspiracies he seems to constantly feel the need to create in order to explain world events in the most incredulous way possible, but some things like that do make me wonder...

[jefjef]

Nice post Ray! Ole saxi dug up the Kent State riots from over 40 years ago!

This isn't about the US folks!. The US only has interest in 5% of Libyan oil.

Libya's domestic oil consumption is estimated at only around 270,000 barrels a day.

Over 80 percent of its crude exports go to Europe, 5 percent to the United States and around 13 percent goes east of the Suez Canal to Asia.

Of the major users it breaks down to around 32 percent to Italy, 14 percent to Germany, 10 percent to China, 10 percent to France and 5 percent to the United States.

[saxitoxin]

Oh, and what year is that from? Obviously that is the exception, not the norm.

mmm, obviously

The US only has interest in 5% of Libyan oil.

a 5% use interest

the US has a 58% financial interest in Libyan oil

Four of the eight largest extraction companies in Libya are U.S. companies (plus 1 Canadian, 1 French, 1 Italian and 1 British): Marathon, Conoco, Hess Corp and Occidental.

[saxitoxin]

WIKILEAKS CABLE - http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/2008/06/08TRIPOLI474.html

US and Canadian oil companies have had their terms renegotiated downwards in Libya over the last 3 years from 58% production share to 28%, costing the Big 5 (Suncor, Hesscor, Marathon, Occidental and Conoco) billions of dollars.

Sounds like motivation for regime change to me.

[Qwert]

Well its look that Libyan Goverment forces manage to liberated Misurata from rebels, and its look that ajdabia also liberated. Hmm, i realy wonder how much support these rebels have. Also one US war plane are downed. US forces try to kill quadafy ,bombarding building in tripoly, who are much far away from protecting civilians. I wonder what will be plan if Guadafy Forces manage to liberated benghazi and Tobruk? Maybe then will send ground forces to protect civilians? From start these is fall case, but could be even worst, if US-France_British forces, start bombarding all towns who are in Goverment protection. In yugoslavia, they not defeate military, and if Quadafy take same strategy,they also not going to defeate army, using strategy "hit bomb from 10000 meter from above". Ofcourse propaganda are here to give you effect that US-France_Britain forces destroy all libya anti aircraft weapons,and that libya tanks are destroyed.
What will be if rebels lost war?

[saxitoxin]

Well its look that Libyan Goverment forces manage to liberated Misurata from rebels, and its look that ajdabia also liberated. Hmm, i realy wonder how much support these rebels have. Also one US war plane are downed. US forces try to kill quadafy ,bombarding building in tripoly, who are much far away from protecting civilians. I wonder what will be plan if Guadafy Forces manage to liberated benghazi and Tobruk? Maybe then will send ground forces to protect civilians? From start these is fall case, but could be even worst, if US-France_British forces, start bombarding all towns who are in Goverment protection. In yugoslavia, they not defeate military, and if Quadafy take same strategy,they also not going to defeate army, using strategy "hit bomb from 10000 meter from above". Ofcourse propaganda are here to give you effect that US-France_Britain forces destroy all libya anti aircraft weapons,and that libya tanks are destroyed.
What will be if rebels lost war?

Coalition in Chaos ... Collapsing after Just 4 Days

- Norway quits
- UAE quits
- Turkey refusing any support
- Italy demands reform
- Arab League repeats calls for halt to bombing
- Tea Party and Progressive Caucus in U.S. Congress join forces to declare U.S. bombing "unconstitutional"; demand immediate halt
- protests in London, Washington, New York, San Francisco, Paris and Toronto


"Oh no! I screwed-up again!"

New Map Reveals Real Reason for Bombing:

[saxitoxin]

Campaign to Revoke Obama's Nobel Peace Prize!

Due to Obama's status as a war criminal, a campaign has been launched to strip him of the Nobel Peace Prize. If successful, Obama would be the first person in history to have the prize revoked, a scene of utter embarrassment for the increasingly despised, bumbling American dictator.

Liberal Democratic Party of Russia leader and Vice-Chairman of the State Duma Vladimir Zhirinovsky released a statement today calling for the Nobel Prize Committee to take back the honour bestowed on US President Barack Obama in 2009.

Bolivian President Evo Morales echoed the call: "How is it possible that a Nobel Peace Prize winner leads a gang to attack and invade? This is not a defence of human rights or self-determination."

A message has been widely retweeted on Twitter today: "Obama has now fired more cruise missiles than all other Nobel Peace prize winners combined."

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/304909

Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) Calls for Impeachment of Obama!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... e-offense/