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Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:06 pm
by BigBallinStalin
Over the past few posts...

At first I was like :lol:

but then I was like :-|

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:45 am
by Army of GOD
saxitoxin wrote:AOG is gonna come over and we're gonna watch my bootleg DVD of Dragon Ball: Evolution


What the f*ck is this shit? I NEVER liked Dragon Ball Z saxi!








Also, on a serious note, read Siddartha right God damn now. It's an awesome book about Buddhism ideals and stuff like selflessness and enlightenment.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:01 am
by BigBallinStalin
Army of GOD wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:AOG is gonna come over and we're gonna watch my bootleg DVD of Dragon Ball: Evolution


What the f*ck is this shit? I NEVER liked Dragon Ball Z saxi!








Also, on a serious note, read Siddartha right God damn now. It's an awesome book about Buddhism ideals and stuff like selflessness and enlightenment.



If anyone's interested in selflessness, enlightenment, and self-awareness, then I'd recommend

Thich Nhat Hanh - The Miracle of Mindfulness

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:51 pm
by nietzsche
I went into a bookstore today. I was decided to buy fiction, ONLY fiction. I had decided this because I'm always reading non-fiction. Matters that matter to me. But I wanted to read something and loose myself in it, and didn't want to think much. So I browsed the fiction area for like 1 hour, and at the end went to the non-fiction area... and bought an economy book....

ChinAmerica, who knows if its good, but the title sounds fun.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:17 pm
by Army of GOD
It's hard to loose yourself.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:25 pm
by Phatscotty
did you try the star wars series?

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:57 am
by BigBallinStalin
Army of GOD wrote:It's hard to loose yourself.


why don't you losen up a little?

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:03 am
by Army of GOD
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:It's hard to loose yourself.


why don't you losen up a little?


I can't. This season of Loost is too interesting.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:59 am
by john9blue
Siddhartha is boss. I've never been a huge fan of non-fiction because books like Siddhartha teach you more while being more enjoyable.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:26 pm
by nietzsche
I entered another bookstore today, and guess what?? I bought another non-fiction book! .. but this time I felt confident enough and bought a fiction book: World War Z. It is about zombies. I enjoyed "28 weeks later".

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:30 pm
by saxitoxin
Hai, hallo. I think I did the recommending previously of this but, if you like "Siddhartha", you will like Hermann Hesse's other book "Demian: The Story of Emil Sinclair's Youth" three times better. I have recommended that much here in The Club as it is my favourite book of all of the time.

"The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is ABRAXAS."

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:54 pm
by jonesthecurl
I remember reading The Glass Bead Game as youth and enjoying it tremendously. I got a copy recently and found it totally dull. I read most of Hesse's stuff many years ago (Steppenwolf, Siddartha, the one about the kid with meningitis, a book of short stories, and others. I seem to remember one about a guy who was an eternal apprentice, never getting a proper job. Narciss and Goldmund, was that Hesse too?)

Maybe I should read em again.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:17 pm
by oVo
Tying Rocks to Clouds is a good read
and who knows... it might be fiction too.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:59 am
by nietzsche
nietzsche wrote:I entered another bookstore today, and guess what?? I bought another non-fiction book! .. but this time I felt confident enough and bought a fiction book: World War Z. It is about zombies. I enjoyed "28 weeks later".


I finished World War Z. It sucks. Don't waste your time or money.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:01 am
by Army of GOD
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Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:01 am
by GabonX
Have you read Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut?

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:33 am
by nietzsche
noope.. is it good and stupid? i'm looking for fiction books that let me loose myself in the story without thinking much.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:34 am
by Army of GOD
If you don't want to think much, then read some shitty sports book. Those are God awful.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:57 am
by GabonX
nietzsche wrote:noope.. is it good and stupid? i'm looking for fiction books that let me loose myself in the story without thinking much.

It's a kind of nihilistic sci fi thriller written by one of America's greatest novelists. Like many of his books, it ends with the end of the world...

Most people know Vonnegut by his most famous work, the anti war epic Slaughter House Five, but Cat's Cradle is much better.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:47 pm
by saxitoxin
I can't recall if it was Cat's Cradle or Breakfast of Champions or which, but in one of those Vonnegut books he talks - in the preface - about just returning from a holiday to the DDR in the late '70's to revisit the historic scene of the British war crimes in Dresden and how vastly superior, from his observations, life in the socialist state of the farmers and workers of the DDR had developed compared to life in the filthy west. That forever sold ol' Saxi on Vonnegut! :P

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:50 pm
by jonesthecurl
I jusr finished reading his Armageddon in Retrospect, one os those cobbled-together-when-the-author-snuffs-it collections. Its far better than most such and apart from being a tad repetetive (not his fault he didn't expect to see most of this in print, or at least not all in the same volume) is generally of very high quality.
Highly recommended.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:51 pm
by thegreekdog
I just finished reading two collections of short stories by one Neil Gaiman: Fragile Things was the name of one of them, but I can't remember the name of the other. Excellent stuff.

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:53 pm
by GabonX
saxitoxin wrote:I can't recall if it was Cat's Cradle or Breakfast of Champions or which, but in one of those Vonnegut books he talks - in the preface - about just returning from a holiday to the DDR in the late '70's to revisit the historic scene of the British war crimes in Dresden and how vastly superior, from his observations, life in the socialist state of the farmers and workers of the DDR had developed compared to life in the filthy west. That forever sold ol' Saxi on Vonnegut! :P

I think it was probably Breakfast of Champions as communism is a recurring theme in that one..

I've read Cat's Cradle, Slaughter House 5, Breakfast of Champions, and most of the short stories from Welcome to the Monkey House.

Cat's Cradle was my favorite.. It also kind of creates a religion in the text.. Hard to explain without giving things away

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:08 pm
by GabonX
Chapter's 1-5 of Cat's cradle (the book has 127 chapters, none more than a few pages):

Vonnegut wrote:Chapter One

The Day the World Ended


Call me Jonah. My parents did, or nearly did. They called me John.

Jonah--John--if I had been a Sam, I would have been Jonah still--not because I have been unlucky for others, but because somebody or something has compelled me to be certain places at certain times, without fail. Conveyances and motives, both conventional and bizarre, have been provided. And, according to plan, at each appointed second, at each appointed place this Jonah was there.

Listen:

When I was a younger man--two wives ago, 250,000 cigarettes ago, 3,000 quarts of booze ago . . .

When I was a much younger man, I began to collect material for a book to be called The Day the World Ended.

The book was to be factual.

The book was to be an account of what important Americans had done on the day when the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan.

It was to be a Christian book. I was a Christian then.

I am a Bokononist now.

I would have been a Bokononist then, if there had been anyone to teach me the bittersweet lies of Bokonon. But Bokononism was unknown beyond the gravel beaches and coral knives that ring this little island in the Caribbean Sea, the Republic of San Lorenzo.

We Bokononists believe that humanity is organized into teams, teams that do God's Will without ever discovering what they are doing. Such a team is called a karass by Bokonon, and the instrument, the kan-kan, that bought me into my own particular karass was the book I never finished, the book to be called The Day the World Ended.

Chapter Two


Nice, Nice, Very Nice

"If you find your life tangled up with somebody else's life for no very logical reasons," writes Bokonon, "that person may be a member of your karass."

At another point in The Books of Bokonon he tells us, "Man created the checkerboard; God created the karass." By that he means that a karass ignores national, institutional, occupational, familial, and class boundaries.

It is as free-form as an amoeba.

In his "Fifty-third Calypso," Bokonon invites us to sing along with him:

Oh, a sleeping drunkard
Up in Central Park,
And a lion-hunter
In the jungle dark,
And a Chinese dentist,
And a British queen--
All fit together
In the same machine.
Nice, nice, very nice;
Nice, nice, very nice;
Nice, nice very nice--
So many different people
In the same device.

Chapter Three


Folly

Nowhere does Bokonon warn against a person's trying to discover the limits of his karass and the nature of the work God Almighty has had it do. Bokonon simply observes that such investigations are bound to be incomplete.

In the autobiographical section of The Books of Bokonon he writes a parable on the folly of pretending to discover, to understand:

I once knew an Episcopalian lady in Newport, Rhode Island, who asked me to design and build a doghouse for her Great Dane. The lady claimed to understand God and His Ways of Working perfectly. She could not understand why anyone should be puzzled about what had been or about what was going to be.

And yet, when I showed her a blueprint of the doghouse I proposed to build, she said to me, "I'm sorry, but I never could read one of those things."

"Give it to your husband or your ministers to pass on to God," I said, "and, when God finds a minute, I'm sure he'll explain this doghouse of mine in a way that even you can understand."

She fired me. I shall never forget her. She believed that God liked people in sailboats much better than He liked people in motorboats. She could not bear to look at a worm. When she saw a worm, she screamed.

She was a fool, and so am I, and so is anyone who thinks he sees what God is Doing, [writes Bokonon].

Chapter Four


A Tentative Tangling

Of Tendrils

Be that as it may, I intend in this book to include as many members of my karass as possible, and I mean to examine all strong hints as to what on Earth we, collectively, have been up to.

I do not intend that this book be a tract on behalf of Bokononism. I should like to offer a Bokononist warning about it, however. The first sentence in The Books of Bokonon is this:

"All of the true things I am about to tell you are shameless lies."

My Bokononist warning in this:

Anyone unable to understand how a useful religion can be founded on lies will not understand this book either.

So be it.

. . .

About my karass, then.

It surely includes the three children of Dr. Felix Hoenikker, one of the so-called "Fathers" of the first atomic bomb. Dr. Hoenikker himself was no doubt a member of my karass, though he was dead before my sinookas, the tendrils of my life, began to tangle with those of his children.

The first of his heirs to be touched by my sinookas was Newton Hoenikker, the youngest of his three children, the younger of his two sons. I learned from the publication of my fraternity, The Delta Upsilon Quarterly, that Newton Hoenikker, son of the Noel Prize physicist, Felix Hoenikker, had been pledged by my chapter, the Cornell Chapter.

So I wrote this letter to Newt:

"Dear Mr. Hoenikker:

"Or should I say, Dear Brother Hoenikker?

"I am a Cornell DU now making my living as a free-lance writer. I am gathering material for a book relating to the first atomic bomb. Its contents will be limited to events that took place on August 6, 1945, the day the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.

"Since your late father is generally recognized as having been one of the chief creators of the bomb, I would very much appreciate any anecdotes you might care to give me of life in your father's house on the day the bomb was dropped.

"I am sorry to say that I don't know as much about your illustrious family as I should, and so don't know whether you have brothers and sisters. If you do have brothers and sisters, I should like very much to have their addresses so that I can send similar requests to them.

"I realize that you were very young when the bomb was dropped, which is all to the good, My book is going to emphasize the human rather than the technical side of the bomb, so recollections of the day through the eyes of a 'baby, if you'll pardon the expression, would fit in perfectly.

"You don't have to worry about style and form. Leave all that to me. Just give me the bare bones of your story.

"I will, of course, submit the final version to you for your approval prior to publication.

"Fraternally yours--"

Chapter Five


Letter from

a pre med

To which Newt replied:

"I am sorry to be so long about answering your letter. That sounds like a very interesting book you are doing. I was so young when the bomb was dropped that I don't think I'm going to be much help. You should really ask my brother and sister, who are both older than I am. My sister is Mrs. Harrison C. Conners, 4918 North Meridian Street, Indianapolis, Indiana. That is my home address, too, now. I think she will be glad to help you. Nobody knows where my brother Frank is. He disappeared right after Father's funeral two years ago, and nobody has heard from him since. For all we know, he may be dead now.

"I was only six years old when they dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, so anything I remember about that day other people have helped me to remember.

"I remember I was playing on the living-room carpet outside my father's study door in Ilium, New York. The door was open, and I could see my father. He was wearing pajamas and a bathrobe. He was smoking a cigar. He was playing with a loop of string. Father was staying home from the laboratory in his pajamas all day that day. He stayed home whenever he wanted to.

"Father, as you probably know, spent practically his whole professional life working for the Research Laboratory of the General Forge and Foundry Company in Ilium. When the Manhattan Project came along, the bomb project, Father wouldn't leave Ilium to work on it. He said he wouldn't work on it at all unless they let him work where he wanted to work. A lot of the time that meant at home. The only place he liked to go, outside of Ilium, was our cottage on Cape Cod. Cape Cod was where he died. He died on a Christmas Eve. You probably know that, too.

"Anyway, I was playing on the carpet outside his study on the day of the bomb. My sister Angela tells me I used to play with little toy trucks for hours, making motor sounds, going 'burton, burton, burton' all the time. So I guess I was going 'burton, burton, burton' on the day of the bomb; and Father was in his study, playing with a loop of string.

"It so happens I know where the string he was playing with came from. Maybe you can use it somewhere in your book. Father took the string from around the manuscript of a novel that a man in prison had sent him. The novel was about the end of the world in the year 2000, and the name of the book was 2000 A.D. It told about how mad scientists made a terrific bomb that wiped out the whole world. There was a big sex orgy when everybody knew that the world was going to end, and then Jesus Christ Himself appeared ten seconds before the bomb went off. The name of the author was Marvin Sharpe Holderness, and he told Father in a covering letter the he was in prison for killing his own brother. He sent the manuscript to Father because he couldn't figure out what kind of explosives to put in the bomb. He thought maybe Father could make suggestions.

"I don't mean to tell you I read the book when I was six. We had it around the house for years. My brother Frank made it his personal property, on account of the dirty parts. Frank kept it hidden in what he called his 'wall safe' in his bedroom. Actually, it wasn't a safe but just an old stove flue with a tin lid. Frank and I must have read the orgy part a thousand times when we were kids. We had it for years, and then my sister Angela found it. She read it and said it was nothing but a piece of dirty rotten filth. She burned it up, and the string with it. She was a mother to Frank and me, because our real mother died when I was born.

"My father never read the book, I'm pretty sure. I don't think he ever read a novel or even a short story in his whole life, or at least not since he was a little boy. He didn't read his mail or magazines or newspapers, either. I suppose he read a lot of technical journals, but to tell you the truth, I can't remember my father reading anything.

"As I say, all he wanted from that manuscript was the string. That was the way he was. Nobody could predict what he was going to be interested in next. On the day of the bomb it was string.

"Have you ever read the speech he made when he accepted the Nobel Prize? This is the whole speech: 'Ladies and Gentlemen. I stand before you now because I never stopped dawdling like an eight-year-old on a spring morning on his way to school. Anything can make me stop and look and wonder, and sometimes learn. I am a very happy man. Thank you.'

"Anyway, Father looked at that loop of string for a while, and then his fingers started playing with it. His fingers made the string figure called a 'cat's cradle.' I don't know where Father learned how to do that. From his father, maybe. His father was a tailor, you know, so there must have been thread and string around all the time when Father was a boy.

"Making that cat's cradle was the closest I ever saw my father come to playing what anybody else would call a game. He had no use at all for tricks and games and rules that other people made up. In a scrapbook my sister Angela used to keep up, there was a clipping from Time magazine where somebody asked Father what games he played for relaxation, and he said, 'Why should I bother with made-up games when there are so many real ones going on?'

"He must have surprised himself when he made a cat's cradle out of the string, and maybe it reminded him of his own childhood. He all of a sudden came out of his study and did something he'd never done before. He tried to play with me. Not only had he never played with me before; he had hardly ever even spoken to me.

"But he went down on his knees on the carpet next to me, and he showed me his teeth, and he waved that tangle of string in my face. 'See? See? See?' he asked. 'Cat's cradle. See the cat's cradle? See where the nice pussycat sleeps? Meow. Meow.'

"His pores looked as big as craters on the moon. His ears and nostrils were stuffed with hair. Cigar smoke made him smell like the mouth of Hell. So close up, my father was the ugliest thing I had ever seen. I dream about it all the time.

"And then he sang. 'Rockabye catsy, in the tree top'; he sang, 'when the wind blows, the cray-dull will rock. If the bough breaks, the cray-dull will fall. Down will come cray-dull, catsy and all.'

"I burst into tears. I jumped up and I ran out of the house as fast as I could go.

"I have to sign off here. It's after two in the morning. My roommate just woke up and complained about the noise from the typewriter."

Re: Recommend a book-- sell it, make me read it

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:18 pm
by saxitoxin
GabonX wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:I can't recall if it was Cat's Cradle or Breakfast of Champions or which, but in one of those Vonnegut books he talks - in the preface - about just returning from a holiday to the DDR in the late '70's to revisit the historic scene of the British war crimes in Dresden and how vastly superior, from his observations, life in the socialist state of the farmers and workers of the DDR had developed compared to life in the filthy west. That forever sold ol' Saxi on Vonnegut! :P

I think it was probably Breakfast of Champions as communism is a recurring theme in that one..

I've read Cat's Cradle, Slaughter House 5, Breakfast of Champions, and most of the short stories from Welcome to the Monkey House.

Cat's Cradle was my favorite.. It also kind of creates a religion in the text.. Hard to explain without giving things away


Ol' Saxi only read Cat's Cradle and the first 1/3 of Breakfast. :( I'll pick-up Monkey House next month at the library, Gabs. I got around to grabbing that book TKR4LF recommended on page 1 or 2 but haven't started it yet.