The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[StorrZerg]

yeah your bad LOLOL

[StorrZerg]

yeah im not claiming today just cause "you want it"

[StorrZerg]

Here is the deal with your claim.
No one can vouch your claim.

[jak111]

(Leaving a note: Will reply tonight, today is full of applying for jobs and stuff I see pcm's post, can't wait to reply to it fully! I have my time scheduled today to get stuff done, right now just got a couple mins extra that I didn't think I'd be done my previous task this quickly, anyway, gonna grab breakfast, see ya'll tonight! >:D)

[MudPuppy]

I investigated Storr last night and the result was anti-town.

Vote StorrZerg

[Jmac1026]

Unvote, Vote Storrzerg

[kgb007]

Here is the deal with your claim.
No one can vouch your claim.

You could say the same for every other claim so far, but it explains the actions of N2 since Jak freely admits to killing IB and I take responsibility for the collateral damage that was HotShot

You may not want to claim bc I want it but now you're at L2. What are you gonna do?

[StorrZerg]

yeah nice try MP i wasn't your check and you know it

[StorrZerg]

ill respond to accusations or questions at this time. I will not be claiming with no talk

[StorrZerg]

Here is the deal with your claim.
No one can vouch your claim.

You could say the same for every other claim so far, but it explains the actions of N2 since Jak freely admits to killing IB and I take responsibility for the collateral damage that was HotShot

You may not want to claim bc I want it but now you're at L2. What are you gonna do?

hmm options
Jac shot Ib
ib shot hotshot


you make the claim after

Basically you are saying medic made correct saves 2 nights in a row.

There is no way to prove your claim.

[spiesr]

ill respond to accusations or questions at this time. I will not be claiming with no talk

The claimed cop was right yesterday. I am more inclined to believe him than not today. Youu have 3 votes already when 5 are needed to lynch. What is it that you require before you will claim?

[MudPuppy]

yeah nice try MP i wasn't your check and you know it

I won't carry this on any longer... Not sure how you knew but I just threw that accusation out there to get a reaction.

Truth is my crystal ball broke after two reads (my limit)... I'm now effectively a VT.

... but I'm also a bit confounded on all that's going on here... and felt the need to try something.

I've got nothing on Storr.

Unvote

[StorrZerg]

Should have played it more mp.

forced people to do reads. Would have got something if you did.

[StorrZerg]

As for how I knew.

I'm town, and you claim red on me. Can't be true.

you got mafia lynched yesterday, so you are unlikely fake. Thus, fake check / reaction

[jak111]

Well this is sad news that the cop's ball just so happens to break when he could be helping me find recruited and people safe for the day. Just an odd coincidence? Or something more sinister?

(Will reply to pcm tonight fully )

But lol at quick bandwagon, see, no one stops to question the cop, what if MP was mafia yesterday? How foolish would you of felt?

Heck, what if Storr was a miller that showed up as guilty on cop reports? No questions asked, just a quick lynch.

I am going to place my vote on Jmac, Vote Jmac. I see I was wrong to not kill him last night. I let you live 2 nights in a row, no longer. My vote stays put. You hoped onto my wagon then you hoped onto Storr's wagon without a second thought as to any factual information.

Sure you can claim "the cop said so" but you did not even hesitate to question it or Storr. If town believes I am scum, they can hang me tomorrow if I'm wrong, but your claim, your bandwagoning, why do I let you live in the night? I see why pcm keeps questioning that. I keep coming back to the same conclusion 3 consecutive days in a row, you're scum. I was stupid to not shoot you last night, I shot the wrong guy.

If I'm wrong or I shoot wrong tonight, I'll cast the vote on myself tomorrow. But today, if town allows, I will prove this existence of vampires.

[kgb007]

hmm options
Jac shot Ib
ib shot hotshot

you make the claim after

Basically you are saying medic made correct saves 2 nights in a row.

There is no way to prove your claim.

mislynch me to prove me right and seal your fate (unjustly or not). the more you push on me, the more I suspect you of being anything but town. the more important question is why you feel like your claim is more important that others..? You certainly were playing like a VT D1 but you're probably more than that.

I'd like you to answer spiesr's question as to what will compel you to claim if the fear of getting your townie self lynched isn't enough...

I claimed unsolicited yesterday to add colour to Sausage's reasoning for his targets and eventual vote against spiesr (obivously at that time I didn't know it was a fake claim but I wanted get that information out in case I was turned during the night).

And why are you assuming we have a doc at all? Might as well get all the claims out there and have our pick of the litter to test this vamp theory. I've seen masons be town/anti town so I'm not ready to clear virus' other half.

For the record, I can understand why Jak targeted virus, under the radar, not contributing much. Same goes for Nark...

As for how I knew.

I'm town, and you claim red on me. Can't be true.

you got mafia lynched yesterday, so you are unlikely fake. Thus, fake check / reaction

You could be mafia GF and know you'd come up town if investigated and it still doesn't clear you from being a vamp at this point. Your play has definitely changed since the end of D2. You proved to be pretty influential at the end of D2, rallying the votes to mislynch Jonty. Perhaps the recruiter recognized your charisma..

[StorrZerg]

jak what do you think about town voting for your shot

[StorrZerg]

KGB what makes you so alive today?



btw on phone will respond in due course.

[StorrZerg]

Comments in Blue

hmm options
Jac shot Ib
ib shot hotshot

you make the claim after

Basically you are saying medic made correct saves 2 nights in a row.

There is no way to prove your claim.

mislynch me to prove me right and seal your fate (unjustly or not). the more you push on me, the more I suspect you of being anything but town. the more important question is why you feel like your claim is more important that others..? You certainly were playing like a VT D1 but you're probably more than that.

Ok, lets just have everyone say "mislynch me to prove me right" wow that means nothing. or when in a lylo situation, "o if you lynch me games over" I'm pushing on you, because you are playing scummy. You are not voicing your reads with opinions, you are bandwagoning, and your claim just happens to be "convenient" I'd love for someone to be able to disprove your claim, or even prove it. But the deal is unless we had a person watch where mafia killed that night, and it landed on someone who didn't die. That is the only way to prove your claim. But hey idc about your claim. I care about how you have been playing the game.

Why do i care about my claim? Well if mafia really want to know they can try and kill me. Maybe they have, who knows. See here is the other thing, if people want me to claim to claim, thats never going to happen. I'd die before a possible "well force storr to claim just to claim" If people are pushing on me cause they think im mafia, the end result is most likely a claim. As of right now, that is not the case. Just you "wanting a claim" cause im different.

I'd like you to answer spiesr's question as to what will compel you to claim if the fear of getting your townie self lynched isn't enough...
Easy, an actual accusation as to why i am mafia, and what makes me scum. screw claiming cause "o i want you to claim cause i can't think for myself"


I claimed unsolicited yesterday to add colour to Sausage's reasoning for his targets and eventual vote against spiesr (obivously at that time I didn't know it was a fake claim but I wanted get that information out in case I was turned during the night).

Sure, your claim was nicely "timed" it did add possible legitimacy to Sausage's claim. heck thanks for bringing that up, it makes you look even worse now. The deal is we have an interesting circle of A near lynch on jmac, which i had opportunity to push and end the day on. And then a random claim by mafia to force the lynch off jmac. And then a Cop claim to hammer the scum. Seeing the pattern, if there is a cult, it is very likely there is a connection between you and jmac. But to be honest, Jmac should be above you souly because of Sausage pulling the lynch off and pushing Spiesr.

And why are you assuming we have a doc at all? Might as well get all the claims out there and have our pick of the litter to test this vamp theory. I've seen masons be town/anti town so I'm not ready to clear virus' other half.

There is clearly some sort of protection role. There is no reason to out what it is, what type it is, to all of town at this point. !. if there is a cult, they could then take it over. 2. maybe cult all ready has so then knowing is useless so we should be going off reads. If there is only mafia left, then they know who to kill. It is possible medic has gotten correct saves this game. ok guys my bad " a protective role triggered in some way over the past few nights"

For the record, I can understand why Jak targeted virus, under the radar, not contributing much. Same goes for Nark...
Cool, what are your thoughts on the reads virus had then, any thought as to why he kept his vote the way he did?

As for how I knew.

I'm town, and you claim red on me. Can't be true.

you got mafia lynched yesterday, so you are unlikely fake. Thus, fake check / reaction

You could be mafia GF and know you'd come up town if investigated and it still doesn't clear you from being a vamp at this point. Your play has definitely changed since the end of D2. You proved to be pretty influential at the end of D2, rallying the votes to mislynch Jonty. Perhaps the recruiter recognized your charisma..

Cool, interesting thought. So why then does my change in behavior mean i've been converted? Wouldn't i keep up the passion? I'll tell you what though. I made a push, i was wrong things like that happen in mafia. Deal is, if you think i was converted, then you have to think i wasn't the original "cult leader" If that is the case, who is the cult leader? Who am i linked to?

[StorrZerg]

Why is KGB scummy scum scum?

Lets take a look at voting patterns.

Day 1 who got lynched? Roger Dodger
What did KGB do? Joke vote on myself, Then sided with A mafia regarding No lynch. "Both claims looked town to him day 1"
Does nothing to push a lynch on someone he thinks is scummy. Why isn't he looking for scum? Instead he is the only person to KEEP his vote on no lynch.

Day 2. What do we have here? Major push onto Jonty By yours truly StorrZerg. Where was kgb on the Vote you say? O he was 3rd person to get on board with the lynch. On a person who he felt was "town" day 1. Reason for the change?

I thought I was pretty clear with my reason for voting Jonty but in case I wasn't, I voted him because he called my theory on N1 actions a "poor assumption". Dismissing my scenario as a possibility was the final straw. Jonty could have defended himself a little harder to draw more posts from people on the fence and expose where alliances fall but he didn't so he might as well have been a villager.

Gesh someone called your theory wrong/ bad and you vote them? You are not even thinking Jonty is scum. Your words are very clear on this "reason" for a jonty lynch.


Lets look at how day 3 started for KGB

vote jmac let's get a claim and then reevaluate

Lets expand a little shall we

Vote Roger Dodger.

Spoiler

I really don't like the way he's been playing. Bandwagoning, poor (no) reasonings for the things he has said or done, and his participation has done nothing to further the conversation or cases in constructive ways.

That being said, I'd support a Anark lynch if the case was made for one. Claiming with only two votes? Come on man! You're acting like amateur hour at the Apollo.

Gut tells me Jmac's claim is BS but other than the post above, I don't have evidence to support my thinking. MP has already unvoted to disfuse the situation so we don't end the day prematurely.

So basically you did nothing to help push jmac along other than "I WANT A CLAIM" I guess this does make it more unlikely that you 2 are "together" Specially since jmac claimed vt, and it ended up being very underwhelming.

Lets see what you have to say on the situation now?

unvote vote sausage Let's test MP and Sausage's claim. If MP is correct, we lynched scum and perhaps clear spiesr for the time being - he could get turned by vamps during the night (if he hasn't already). If the lynch goes wrong, Jak can eliminate MP tonight.

You know what is very interesting? These 3 quotes Your words Don't seem to match up...

I claimed unsolicited yesterday to add colour to Sausage's reasoning for his targets and eventual vote against spiesr (obivously at that time I didn't know it was a fake claim but I wanted get that information out in case I was turned during the night).

@jak you value the RB role more than cop right? how would you feel about lynching the claimed cop in MP and seeing which way he flips. If he's town, you get Sausage in the night, if he's mafia, you're free to target spiesr or jmac or whoever.

unvote I'm thoroughly confused

I don't really care to debate jak's scumminess, he's very clearly not town, he has his own win conditions so whether or not he believes your 11th hour claim is irrelevant to his scumminess.

I do find it curious that MP brings this information out now only because Sausage told he beginning on Wed that he'd be out of town through the weekend so in theory, MP could be rushing to lynch Sausage without any defense.

This doesn't really clear anything up but I might as well get it out there. I am town match maker, during N1 I had to choose two players to be joined. If one died, so did the other. I wasn't prepared to use my action but Mod pointed out that I must, so in a rush I chose IB and Hotshot. Early in D2, I realized my error but at that point it was already done.

[StorrZerg]

posted to quick meant to hit preview

[StorrZerg]

You know what is very interesting? These 3 quotes Your words Don't seem to match up...

Early in the day, After the cop claim, after the Roleblock claim. (day 3)

unvote vote sausage Let's test MP and Sausage's claim. If MP is correct, we lynched scum and perhaps clear spiesr for the time being - he could get turned by vamps during the night (if he hasn't already). If the lynch goes wrong, Jak can eliminate MP tonight.

Said today. (day 4)

I claimed unsolicited yesterday to add colour to Sausage's reasoning for his targets and eventual vote against spiesr (obivously at that time I didn't know it was a fake claim but I wanted get that information out in case I was turned during the night).

Your claim. day 3

@jak you value the RB role more than cop right? how would you feel about lynching the claimed cop in MP and seeing which way he flips. If he's town, you get Sausage in the night, if he's mafia, you're free to target spiesr or jmac or whoever.

unvote I'm thoroughly confused

I don't really care to debate jak's scumminess, he's very clearly not town, he has his own win conditions so whether or not he believes your 11th hour claim is irrelevant to his scumminess.

I do find it curious that MP brings this information out now only because Sausage told he beginning on Wed that he'd be out of town through the weekend so in theory, MP could be rushing to lynch Sausage without any defense.

This doesn't really clear anything up but I might as well get it out there. I am town match maker, during N1 I had to choose two players to be joined. If one died, so did the other. I wasn't prepared to use my action but Mod pointed out that I must, so in a rush I chose IB and Hotshot. Early in D2, I realized my error but at that point it was already done.

So, you make it sound as if you claimed before The cop claim. yet you didn't Or that you favored Sausage as the Clean guy. Its a bit confusing to look at and i would like you to clarify. Cause You go onto the lynch, and then "pull out" and then don't vote. The no vote, has been quite convenient for you, "well i would have voted this person" (i can only give jmac credit since he said he would hammer at a certain time) you i cannot give any credit. Your opinion on the matter is mute, you have none in reality. It is as if you are floating around on day 3, not caring what happens. Happy to vote anyone off with out reason and then make "odd claim" Also you tried to push "the claim happened when Sausage was out of town" I think a mafia with Sausage would be more aware of his situation, and that is why you made it a clear point out. "lets scum up MP because of out of game situation"

So i ask, Why on early day 2, did you say you made a mistake on your "role play"

Moving onto today.

vote storr you'll hate my reasoning but let's have a claim, I also didn't care for your joke about not being cleared by jak yesterday

Again, you will notice, he has a habbit of pushing votes with 0 reasoning. I do find it interesting that you bring up the "joke" as "not a reason"


So yes guys, i end with kgb looks scummy scum. He doesn't push anyone with reason, he just likes to force claims and then does nothing.
his voting pattern is odd. his Reads do not line up with his actions.

[pancakemix]

Well that was... interesting, MP. Didn't pull much out of it though. Most we can get is Jmac is quick to jump, for better or worse.

Anywho, I'm less amped up today and I'd like to keep it the way (looking at you, jak). Jak seems to be shifting more towards something that makes sense, which, whether it's for my benefit or otherwise I can't say I'm upset about it.

In the even there are vampires, I'll point out again that we'd have to kill the leader today to have a shot of winning, and with no concrete evidence of their existence, Jak remains the odd one out. That, for the confused or overwhelmed, is my case on jak. That coupled with the fact that he didn't follow his nose and shot in the dark instead because "no reason not to" and "town didn't want Jmac dead". So yeah.

[StorrZerg]

Technically we have 2 shots yes? (not sure on the math)

But lynch today, and if we pick jaks shot tonight. thats pretty good odds yes?

[kgb007]

Oh Storr...you try to discredit me by deciding which of my words mean nothing and which are useful for your argument. I hope town sees how hard you are trying to lynch an innocent man if you are successful. Good luck getting 4 more votes...

Not sure how my claim was supposed to lend legitimacy to Sausage's, maybe you don't understand the context of how I used the word "colour".

I am a town roleblocker. Night 1 I blocked spiesr, and night 2 I blocked storr. I wasn’t prepared to claim Day 2 from just one night’s results, but I feel like the changed results point pretty heavily towards spiesr being a killer and storr not. I got the feeling something was up with spiesr on Day 1, but it was just a feeling so I couldn’t really build a case. So I blocked him and then blocked someone else night 2 to see what changed. And judging from the change and his short posts that add little… I am going to go ahead and vote spiesr

FP'd like 3 times haha

We know Sausage to be scum now. He voted Spiesr yesterday - could be a misdirect but I doubt it. Just an opportunity to lynch spiesr given his fake results and that spiesr had been on jonty both D1 and D2. I find it convenient Sausage tries to clear you at the same time by saying he roleblocked you N2 so you couldn't possibly be associated with HotShot's death. I know that you weren't because of my actions but the rest of the town may have gone along with Sausage's thinking.

Why do you care for my reads on Virus' reads? He's dead, he's town, the only thing he knew that I didn't was that he was masoned to spiesr. I'm not going to try and crawl into his mind to understand the reasoning behind his voting. What does that do for me?

Cool, interesting thought. So why then does my change in behavior mean i've been converted? Wouldn't i keep up the passion? I'll tell you what though. I made a push, i was wrong things like that happen in mafia. Deal is, if you think i was converted, then you have to think i wasn't the original "cult leader" If that is the case, who is the cult leader? Who am i linked to?

Ah...the change in your behavior, at least you acknowledge it. Maybe it means you've been converted or maybe it means that since Jak outed vamps, the recruiter (possibly you) is keeping a lower profile during the day. It's curious that you quickly make a distinction between the possibility of being converted but not being the recruiter. You could be linked to yourself.

I don't understand how you think I'm implying I claimed before MP did? And I didn't favor Sausage as the "clean guy" that was Jak - he was adamant that MP was the scum after the cop claim so I proposed this scenario to Jak:

@jak you value the RB role more than cop right? how would you feel about lynching the claimed cop in MP and seeing which way he flips. If he's town, you get Sausage in the night, if he's mafia, you're free to target spiesr or jmac or whoever.

unvote I'm thoroughly confused

You quote just about every one of my posts from D3 except the one below which is my very next and subsequently last post from D3:

There's a chance MP is right and sausage is a mafia RB. No one has counter claimed cop and of the two roles, RB is more likely to be a mafia role. Spiesr is correct, MP, with his claim, has basically turned into a MP vs sausage situation. I think the safer play be would be to lynch the RB so that he absolutely couldn't roleblock jak tonight, in theory, it guarantees jak can eliminate MP at night if we mislynch sausage. The flip side is if the majority is more than 50% confident that MP is scum, we press our luck, lynch MP and hope jak gets another scum/anti town/vamp at night. Still haven't decided who I'm playing my vote for though.

Jak hammers less than a day later and since my would-be vote from D3 doesn't matter to you, I won't say who I ultimately would have voted for. I did find it odd that MP waited as long as he did to reveal his results given that earlier Sausage had announced he would be away but I don't think I mentioned it more than the one time - not sure that qualifies as pushing but ok.

As to my mistake on my role play - I'm assuming you mean an excerpt during my rambling claim. What I meant by that is the ideal scenario would have been to match two anti-town players instead of scum & town. Back on D2 when Jak was being all mysterious about his reads on VTs and I went back to read D1 and announce, I came to the same conclusion that HotShot was probably a VT. My N1 action was rushed as I stated before since there was a discrepancy between the mod and I on whether I had to use my action or not so I was not afforded the same opportunity to re-read. 1 for 2 ain't bad though! And if you think about it, if mafia performed a kill against HotShot, it would have cost them one of their own. A fair tradeoff given we hopefully outnumber town and HotShot was only a VT.

vote storr you'll hate my reasoning but let's have a claim, I also didn't care for your joke about not being cleared by jak yesterday

Again, you will notice, he has a habbit of pushing votes with 0 reasoning. I do find it interesting that you bring up the "joke" as "not a reason"

As for my vote against you and the reasoning (or lack of reasoning if you'd like) I'm freely admitting that my vote against jmac and you are to pressure for claims, always have been. Would scum do/admit that? And again you're misunderstanding - you can't say that me bringing up your poorly worded joke from yesterday is "not a reason". It actually IS a reason.

My vote stays pending new information and if Storr isn't lynched and Jmac is, I'd like Jak to target Storr during the night