Conquer Club

My point is that there's no good indication that they're mafia either. But some people have seemed certain that they are. There's more evidence from the night scene that they're not anti-town (no attributed NK, no recruitment) than evidence that they are a threat as of now. Yet some people seem ready to nail me to the wall for suggesting that.

I agree with fircoal that Rodion's bandwaggon was not AS strong as it seemed. However his way of defending himself by calling everyone else ignorants clowns is what dug him, at least as far as I am concerned.

I also said time and again that his case against bleed had enough evidence to pursue.

And.....I said since the beggining of time that saf was scum



However my vote stays on rodion. To me, and fircoal can try to hang me for that if he really wants, If by any chance rodion is lying, he will die. If he isn't, his role will protect him and we'll have a confirmed townie and can now look more thoroughtly( sp? ) at bleed/vio/saf. Right now I don't think strike to be THAT scummy..


As my last evidence of why I will stay my vote on rodion is that his role makes sense historically, but as far as mafia is concerned, it's kind of weird. Saving himself from one lynch? he doesn't say unlynchable, but only from one lynch..Likes saying to us not to lynch him a second time. Sounds weird to me.

freezie wrote:I agree with fircoal that Rodion's bandwaggon was not AS strong as it seemed. However his way of defending himself by calling everyone else ignorants clowns is what dug him, at least as far as I am concerned.

I also said time and again that his case against bleed had enough evidence to pursue.

And.....I said since the beggining of time that saf was scum



However my vote stays on rodion. To me, and fircoal can try to hang me for that if he really wants, If by any chance rodion is lying, he will die. If he isn't, his role will protect him and we'll have a confirmed townie and can now look more thoroughtly( sp? ) at bleed/vio/saf. Right now I don't think strike to be THAT scummy..


As my last evidence of why I will stay my vote on rodion is that his role makes sense historically, but as far as mafia is concerned, it's kind of weird. Saving himself from one lynch? he doesn't say unlynchable, but only from one lynch..Likes saying to us not to lynch him a second time. Sounds weird to me.

Odd, so you're saying that I'm scum but that strike isn't? Fircoal just outlined that strike and I seem to be working together, so what makes me scum and him not?

safariguy5 wrote:

freezie wrote:I agree with fircoal that Rodion's bandwaggon was not AS strong as it seemed. However his way of defending himself by calling everyone else ignorants clowns is what dug him, at least as far as I am concerned.

I also said time and again that his case against bleed had enough evidence to pursue.

And.....I said since the beggining of time that saf was scum



However my vote stays on rodion. To me, and fircoal can try to hang me for that if he really wants, If by any chance rodion is lying, he will die. If he isn't, his role will protect him and we'll have a confirmed townie and can now look more thoroughtly( sp? ) at bleed/vio/saf. Right now I don't think strike to be THAT scummy..


As my last evidence of why I will stay my vote on rodion is that his role makes sense historically, but as far as mafia is concerned, it's kind of weird. Saving himself from one lynch? he doesn't say unlynchable, but only from one lynch..Likes saying to us not to lynch him a second time. Sounds weird to me.

Odd, so you're saying that I'm scum but that strike isn't? Fircoal just outlined that strike and I seem to be working together, so what makes me scum and him not?

Your day 1 and early day 2 actions.

And I never said he wasn't. I said at the moment I don't think he is.

Never said I was following fircoal like a puppy dog either.

freezie wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:

freezie wrote:I agree with fircoal that Rodion's bandwaggon was not AS strong as it seemed. However his way of defending himself by calling everyone else ignorants clowns is what dug him, at least as far as I am concerned.

I also said time and again that his case against bleed had enough evidence to pursue.

And.....I said since the beggining of time that saf was scum



However my vote stays on rodion. To me, and fircoal can try to hang me for that if he really wants, If by any chance rodion is lying, he will die. If he isn't, his role will protect him and we'll have a confirmed townie and can now look more thoroughtly( sp? ) at bleed/vio/saf. Right now I don't think strike to be THAT scummy..


As my last evidence of why I will stay my vote on rodion is that his role makes sense historically, but as far as mafia is concerned, it's kind of weird. Saving himself from one lynch? he doesn't say unlynchable, but only from one lynch..Likes saying to us not to lynch him a second time. Sounds weird to me.

Odd, so you're saying that I'm scum but that strike isn't? Fircoal just outlined that strike and I seem to be working together, so what makes me scum and him not?

Your day 1 and early day 2 actions.

And I never said he wasn't. I said at the moment I don't think he is.

Never said I was following fircoal like a puppy dog either.

And what exactly would that be? Bandwagonning? Because that's the only thing I can see that you could accuse me of.

Fircoal I would agree that the Joan of Arc question by itself would be weak for a lynch and I did not instantly vote him for that and probably would have dropped it if his responses hadn't been so horrible but as it stands it took a lot of arguing just to get him to say anything along lines of that making the Joan of Arc comment may have been a mistake and he has continuously omgused, twisted logic and took statements out of context along the way.

Yes I do believe he should know the dangers about role claiming. He is not only intelligent but he has researched mafia to an extent that he seems to understand a lot of these dangers. Besides if he seems to want to hold himself as a confident player who knows what is best in this game than I am going to treat him as I would treat a veteran.

Fircoal, great post. I'll read it a second time now and make a post to comment things that I deem necessary/interesting.

freezie wrote:However my vote stays on rodion. To me, and fircoal can try to hang me for that if he really wants, If by any chance rodion is lying, he will die. If he isn't, his role will protect him and we'll have a confirmed townie and can now look more thoroughtly( sp? ) at bleed/vio/saf.

That was exactly why I voted myself and asked people to help with that. In the end, if my plan goes through, this is what happens:
1 - I lose prevent lynch power, but keep mason power
2 - Day probably ends with a no-lynch
3 - I'm cleared and we can start hunting scum on D3 for a change

Let's wait a while and see if Fircoal's post got to open people's eyes, as I'd obviously rather have the credibility without wasting my power and also start scum hunting on D2, but if I can't have it that way, attempting to lynch me is the next best choice.

strike wolf wrote:Besides if he seems to want to hold himself as a confident player who knows what is best in this game than I am going to treat him as I would treat a veteran.

Nice way of using my PR (of sorts) against me.

If I "humble up" now I risky totally losing my power: I can lose the privilege of avoiding my own lynch (and I can't avoid someone else's after I'm dead), so I'll continue to give you the cocky ammunition you're so willing to use against me.

Either way it doesn't make sense in my eyes cause losing a prevent lynch on yourself power is nearly useless...we won't spend the whole damn game lynching you every days until you lose it..

UNVOTE CAUSE I FLIPED SIDES again and don't want a wasted lynch no time to read until tomorrow sorry

strike wolf wrote:Besides if he seems to want to hold himself as a confident player who knows what is best in this game than I am going to treat him as I would treat a veteran.

Someone may think they're the greatest thing in mafia since sliced bread but that doesn't make them so. That also doesn't mean you should treat them as if they are. You end up treating them like that and you end up losing a town. Sure it may seem righteous in your mind but mafia isn't a game of righteousness. It's a game of scum finding and scum lynching. You may want to take revenge on the dick who keeps on breaking your bonus, but those that play for revenge, won't end up with the win. It's those that strategically play to their advantage that end up with the win. You have to take a player for what he is, or else you'll be making a dire mistake.

Chu, I never said my case was brilliant and even made a point to state that I wasn't completely sold. That said, I think that what he was doing after the Joan of Arc post was anything but helpful, and that sort of counterproductive activity can only come to an end if one of the people arguing stops, or the scales of pressure tip one way or the other.

freezie wrote:Either way it doesn't make sense in my eyes cause losing a prevent lynch on yourself power is nearly useless...we won't spend the whole damn game lynching you every days until you lose it..

I think you skimmed my claim. If you'd like to read again, it's on page 46.

This is what I know (and told you):

I can use my power once.
I can prevent anyone's lynch, including mine.
if I prevent someone else's lynch, it works 100%.
if I prevent my own lynch, it only works if I were loyal to my "PR" (acting like Roland would).

This is what I don't know:

is Commander going to be a bastard mod and make me die anyway (like in the literary work)?
will my power end the day with a no-lynch or allow the day to continue?

i am still here. just been very busy will try to post more soon.

I completly misunderstood the part about your own lynch prevention, which confused me into thinking you could only used it on yourself.

changes a lot of things in my head now..

unvote

for the time beeing..

Rodion wrote:Fircoal, great post. I'll read it a second time now and make a post to comment things that I deem necessary/interesting.

Oh, promises...

Anyway, there's not much left for me to say. I certainly don't want to hide behind the inexperience card, but other than that I have no big objections to what you wrote, Chu.

I'd just like to say I read your POTC post yesterday and the way you closed your arguments with more than 10 FOS thrown around was nothing short of HILARIOUS!

Rodion wrote:I'd just like to say I read your POTC post yesterday and the way you closed your arguments with more than 10 FOS thrown around was nothing short of HILARIOUS!

I do what I can. x3 A big difference between this game and POTC is the amount of people sticking out. With so many scummariners as said not many scummy things come to light, so there was much more of a focus to my posts.

freezie wrote:I agree with fircoal that Rodion's bandwaggon was not AS strong as it seemed. However his way of defending himself by calling everyone else ignorants clowns is what dug him, at least as far as I am concerned.

I also said time and again that his case against bleed had enough evidence to pursue.

And.....I said since the beggining of time that saf was scum



However my vote stays on rodion. To me, and fircoal can try to hang me for that if he really wants, If by any chance rodion is lying, he will die. If he isn't, his role will protect him and we'll have a confirmed townie and can now look more thoroughtly( sp? ) at bleed/vio/saf. Right now I don't think strike to be THAT scummy..


As my last evidence of why I will stay my vote on rodion is that his role makes sense historically, but as far as mafia is concerned, it's kind of weird. Saving himself from one lynch? he doesn't say unlynchable, but only from one lynch..Likes saying to us not to lynch him a second time. Sounds weird to me.

How is strike not the most suspicous? So you believe Rodion's evidence and yet still want to lynch him and pressure him rathter than Bleed who you agree is likely to be scum.

freezie wrote:Your day 1 and early day 2 actions.

And I never said he wasn't. I said at the moment I don't think he is.

Never said I was following fircoal like a puppy dog either.

Saf asked you about this once (which you conveniently ignored), which actions are you referring to?

freezie wrote:Either way it doesn't make sense in my eyes cause losing a prevent lynch on yourself power is nearly useless...we won't spend the whole damn game lynching you every days until you lose it..

You misunderstood, you later claimed. However, I would like to know what you are thinking. This statement borders on incomprehensibility, as do my word choices.

vote freezie

DoomYoshi wrote:How is strike not the most suspicous? So you believe Rodion's evidence and yet still want to lynch him and pressure him rathter than Bleed who you agree is likely to be scum.

Explained. Skimming number 1 for you.

DoomYoshi wrote:

freezie wrote:Your day 1 and early day 2 actions.

And I never said he wasn't. I said at the moment I don't think he is.

Never said I was following fircoal like a puppy dog either.

Saf asked you about this once (which you conveniently ignored), which actions are you referring to?

Explained for about 3 pages early day 2. Skimming number 2 for you

DoomYoshi wrote:

freezie wrote:Either way it doesn't make sense in my eyes cause losing a prevent lynch on yourself power is nearly useless...we won't spend the whole damn game lynching you every days until you lose it..

You misunderstood, you later claimed. However, I would like to know what you are thinking. This statement borders on incomprehensibility, as do my word choices.

vote freezie

Know what I am thinking? Read back, I have been pretty open all day long. Skimming number 3 for you.

If this was baseball, you'd been eliminated.

I haven't been skimming. Your explanations just haven't been all that great. I would like to know what you were thinking when you said that third post. It doesn't make sense. Can you re-explain that post and your state of mind at the time?

Ok so here is where i stand I liked my first case and i think it truly is the strongest case so far. So until futher notice I am VOTE SAF

(but i did say that rodion might be acting that way based on his role did i not )

I think Saf is scum

Vote Count

safariguy5 (1) - ndrs
freezie (1) - Yoshi
pancakemix
Streaker
ndrs
Edocsil
vioiet (1) - Edoc
targetman377
TheSaxlad
naxus
Iliad
DoomYoshi
gimli
Rodion (8) - Streaker, freezie, gimli, Strike Wolf, PCM, Iliad, naxus, blake, target L-4
blakebowling
jeraado
sheepofdumb
ShaggyDan
nagerous
Strike Wolf
Fircoal
Bleed_Green
Namliam

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Deadline on May 5th.

Fircoal wrote:Someone may think they're the greatest thing in mafia since sliced bread but that doesn't make them so.

So are you saying I wasn't?..

Fircoal wrote:What about Pokemon? ;3

Well, they were already mentioned before.

Fircoal wrote:Frenchie-chan has told me that he very often lies even as town, and considering his skills, it'd be a good idea to trust in him. Though again you have to remember MOTIVE. MOTIVE can earn you a lot.

A+ for this post. Even when I am town, I tend to normally lie and manipulate where needed, if I know it will help me and town to win.

Rodion wrote:is Commander going to be a bastard mod and make me die anyway (like in the literary work)?
will my power end the day with a no-lynch or allow the day to continue?

This is sort of getting old. Can you all please speculating about as it's getting slightly annoying now.

Vote Count

safariguy5 (2) - ndrs, target
freezie (1) - Yoshi
pancakemix
Streaker
ndrs
Edocsil
vioiet (1) - Edoc
targetman377
TheSaxlad
naxus
Iliad
DoomYoshi
gimli
Rodion (7) - Streaker, freezie, gimli, Strike Wolf, PCM, Iliad, naxus, blake L-5
blakebowling
jeraado
sheepofdumb
ShaggyDan
nagerous
Strike Wolf
Fircoal
Bleed_Green
Namliam

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Deadline on May 5th.

I am glad we can all give this Rodion thing a rest. I for one am also interested in what freezie has to say. Its a bit unlucky, but seeing as how he was one of the more willing to test Rodion's ability, when really the case against him is a bit weak to begin with, he should be the next focus for discussion.


Why was freezie so willing to end the day if there was a compelling claim not to?

targetman377 wrote:Ok so here is where i stand I liked my first case and i think it truly is the strongest case so far. So until futher notice I am VOTE SAF

(but i did say that rodion might be acting that way based on his role did i not )

I think Saf is scum

So run down the case again that freezie put out, Bandwagonning and voting inactives, that's what you're trying to pin on me? And that's really the best case you can come up with?