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Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:17 pm
by Army of GOD
F1fth wrote:Army of GOD wrote:Hm. For some reason, I feel like F1fth is playing us. Other than that...I got nothing.
colton24 wrote:Army of GOD wrote:Hm. For some reason, I feel like F1fth is playing us. Other than that...I got nothing.
That is what my gut is sayin.....
Seriously, ask yourselves: are you voting for me because you honestly believe me to be scum based on my behavior, or are you just saying that because I don't always say the nicest things and I'm not afraid to be blunt?
Are my actions that of a person trying to win this game by lying to you and staying out of the limelight, or that of an investigative role who discovered and immediately killed one of the liars?
THINK. There is NO reason you should be using your gut right now. Honestly, I don't know why I'm trying. You guys literally refuse to provide any original thoughts and contribute, instead waiting for someone to tell you what to do. I doubt you both would have even thought of the possibility of me faking this whole thing were it not for a few others present (though I made it perfectly obvious in my post that I felt it reasonable to question me... because I actually look at the game from other people's perspectives
)
I'm sorry for the attitude, but come on. It's obvious that you guys consider me the likeliest to be scum (which is ridiculous frankly) and you still don't even pursue it with any questions, back it up with any theories or evidence, or follow through with a vote! You literally add nothing to the game by doing this.
Ok then. What else do we have to work off of? YOU'RE the only one with information really. I'm new to this specific Mafia type game, so I'm not keen on every single thing that goes on, yet I know some tricks of the trade.
My family and I used to play this game, "assassin", which is quite similar to this. Sometimes, if there are more than one "assassin", they'd play it so that if we have a leaning suspicion on one of the true "assassins", they'd intentionally kill themselves during the night to take weight off the other one, and eventually win the game.
That's honestly what I think you've done here. You and DCR might've both been scum and talked about your plan to kill off DCR so that no one will suspect you're truly scum. If there's something wrong with my thinking, then someone please point it out.
But I don't think there's anything else we have to work with, other than the information that you're saving for the end.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:21 pm
by captainwalrus
There are many people who I think don't really contribute, despite posting a lot. Colton, Rainbow, AoG, and TBH, Myself.
This is usually suspicions, but it doesn't to me seem like it is done intentionally.
One person I have my suspicions about is Nag. He has not posted much, and I didn't like how he came in after not being very active, saw that there were a lot of people with not much direction, and just said that he thought / was scum, with not much to back him up. After looking back at that, it looks suspicious to me.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:22 pm
by captainwalrus
Army of GOD wrote:
That's honestly what I think you've done here. You and DCR might've both been scum and talked about your plan to kill off DCR so that no one will suspect you're truly scum. If there's something wrong with my thinking, then someone please point it out.
But I don't think there's anything else we have to work with, other than the information that you're saving for the end.
I highly doubt that with so few left, and so late in the game, the scum would risk that kind of a move.
And I think that is the wrong attitude, that we have nothing to work with, we have 45 pages to work with.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:35 pm
by colton24
captainwalrus wrote:Army of GOD wrote:
That's honestly what I think you've done here. You and DCR might've both been scum and talked about your plan to kill off DCR so that no one will suspect you're truly scum. If there's something wrong with my thinking, then someone please point it out.
But I don't think there's anything else we have to work with, other than the information that you're saving for the end.
I highly doubt that with so few left, and so late in the game, the scum would risk that kind of a move.
And I think that is the wrong attitude, that we have nothing to work with, we have 45 pages to work with.
It's a classic scum move though. I mean it would put the person in the clear and then that person could win the game. You can't just automatically assume that he is town because he killed mafia
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:38 pm
by Rainbow Eater
Fifth, if you die and town wins, you still win if you are town. I think there is only 1 mafia left, and even if there are 2 there is almost certainly no chance. So sometime dying is necessary for the cause. So don't worry if you die, it will lead us to more scum.
best case: 9 people left 1 mafia
would take 3 nights and days + 1 night for the mafia to win.
worst case: 1 cult left, 2 mafia left
would take 2 days and nights + 1 night for the mafia to win. cult has zero chance to win
The Cult leader had zippie day kill ability. I am willing to bet that either the mafia godfather has 0 kills or multiple kill (2) ability. Could be tested. Fifth, could you shoot me? just post in purple to kill me, if I die, you will see that I am town, and kill him. But I do not think that I will die, just a way for me to test this against you, will give you some credence in my book if that counts for anything.
I would like people to use their guns personally. I think that is a great bet. If you think someone is mafia, kill them. No we have a good chance of winning. Anyways I would like to see colton shot as well as spurg, and nag.
That is just me though
I hope it makes sense. I have been drinking Doppelbock and feel that it may not.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:41 pm
by colton24
Rainbow Eater wrote:Fifth, if you die and town wins, you still win if you are town. I think there is only 1 mafia left, and even if there are 2 there is almost certainly no chance. So sometime dying is necessary for the cause. So don't worry if you die, it will lead us to more scum.
best case: 9 people left 1 mafia
would take 3 nights and days + 1 night for the mafia to win.
worst case: 1 cult left, 2 mafia left
would take 2 days and nights + 1 night for the mafia to win. cult has zero chance to win
The Cult leader had zippie day kill ability. I am willing to bet that either the mafia godfather has 0 kills or multiple kill (2) ability. Could be tested. Fifth, could you shoot me? just post in purple to kill me, if I die, you will see that I am town, and kill him. But I do not think that I will die, just a way for me to test this against you, will give you some credence in my book if that counts for anything.
I would like people to use their guns personally. I think that is a great bet. If you think someone is mafia, kill them. No we have a good chance of winning. Anyways I would like to see colton shot as well as spurg, and nag.
That is just me though
I hope it makes sense. I have been drinking Doppelbock and feel that it may not.
Why shoot me? Nag maybe from the voting / out of the blue, but not spurg. I would like to know why me?
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:43 pm
by colton24
F1lth has already used his daykill, but we will see what happens....
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:46 pm
by colton24
For the record:
I think that we should kill somebody ONLY if there is: 1) Great evidence against the person.
2) Unanimous for the kill
3) The person in question has a chance to defend his/herself
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:57 pm
by F1fth
Army of GOD wrote:F1fth wrote:Army of GOD wrote:Hm. For some reason, I feel like F1fth is playing us. Other than that...I got nothing.
colton24 wrote:Army of GOD wrote:Hm. For some reason, I feel like F1fth is playing us. Other than that...I got nothing.
That is what my gut is sayin.....
Seriously, ask yourselves: are you voting for me because you honestly believe me to be scum based on my behavior, or are you just saying that because I don't always say the nicest things and I'm not afraid to be blunt?
Are my actions that of a person trying to win this game by lying to you and staying out of the limelight, or that of an investigative role who discovered and immediately killed one of the liars?
THINK. There is NO reason you should be using your gut right now. Honestly, I don't know why I'm trying. You guys literally refuse to provide any original thoughts and contribute, instead waiting for someone to tell you what to do. I doubt you both would have even thought of the possibility of me faking this whole thing were it not for a few others present (though I made it perfectly obvious in my post that I felt it reasonable to question me... because I actually look at the game from other people's perspectives
)
I'm sorry for the attitude, but come on. It's obvious that you guys consider me the likeliest to be scum (which is ridiculous frankly) and you still don't even pursue it with any questions, back it up with any theories or evidence, or follow through with a vote! You literally add nothing to the game by doing this.
Ok then. What else do we have to work off of? YOU'RE the only one with information really. I'm new to this specific Mafia type game, so I'm not keen on every single thing that goes on, yet I know some tricks of the trade.
My family and I used to play this game, "assassin", which is quite similar to this. Sometimes, if there are more than one "assassin", they'd play it so that if we have a leaning suspicion on one of the true "assassins", they'd intentionally kill themselves during the night to take weight off the other one, and eventually win the game.
That's honestly what I think you've done here. You and DCR might've both been scum and talked about your plan to kill off DCR so that no one will suspect you're truly scum. If there's something wrong with my thinking, then someone please point it out.
But I don't think there's anything else we have to work with, other than the information that you're saving for the end.
Yes! You are so right about my having information that you don't and it shows that you're weighing the options and critically thinking. I like it, I like it! As to the content of your post, I'll get to it in my response to colton.
colton24 wrote:It's a classic scum move though. I mean it would put the person in the clear and then that person could win the game. You can't just automatically assume that he is town because he killed mafia
Indeed, it is a classic scum move. But that's only if the game is really close/getting on to the endgame. To know why it's really only good then, involves knowing why it's a classic scum move.
1) It gives a player temporary credibility... "hey look I killed scum"
2) It gives causes a lot of confusion (which is scum's most valuable tool)
If you do it in the endgame, when a win is nigh, then you have an even better shot at winning and so the risk is easily worth it. If what I did here was that tactic, I just turned the game from either a 7v3 into a 7v2, or a 8v2 into a 8v1 (depending on how many scum are left). And now town has how many days to clear up the confusion? Like at least three or four days worth of talking and investigating?
That's a huge risk to take when there was practically no pressure on anyone.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:59 pm
by Rainbow Eater
colton24 wrote: Why shoot me? Nag maybe from the voting / out of the blue, but not spurg. I would like to know why me?
If you are town you really should not fear dying.
1) you seem to want to vote for fifth, who did just kill a scum
2) that scum who died voted for a person who was voting for you.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:05 pm
by colton24
Ah now I see. Nevermind. Well now what do we have to go off of?
Rainbow Eater wrote:colton24 wrote: Why shoot me? Nag maybe from the voting / out of the blue, but not spurg. I would like to know why me?
If you are town you really should not fear dying.
1) you seem to want to vote for fifth, who did just kill a scum
2) that scum who died voted for a person who was voting for you.
1) I would like to make it all the way through 1 mafia game.
2) That doesn't mean anything, but that person found it suspicous. It doesn't make me automatically scum
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:06 pm
by F1fth
Rainbow Eater wrote:Fifth, if you die and town wins, you still win if you are town. I think there is only 1 mafia left, and even if there are 2 there is almost certainly no chance. So sometime dying is necessary for the cause. So don't worry if you die, it will lead us to more scum.
Believe you me, I'm fully willing to give my life if it means we catch even just one scum but I don't think I should give up my life when it's not needed, especially because of my role and the information I have.
Rainbow Eater wrote:best case: 9 people left 1 mafia
would take 3 nights and days + 1 night for the mafia to win.
worst case: 1 cult left, 2 mafia left
would take 2 days and nights + 1 night for the mafia to win. cult has zero chance to win
The Cult leader had zippie day kill ability. I am willing to bet that either the mafia godfather has 0 kills or multiple kill (2) ability. Could be tested. Fifth, could you shoot me? just post in purple to kill me, if I die, you will see that I am town, and kill him. But I do not think that I will die, just a way for me to test this against you, will give you some credence in my book if that counts for anything.
I would like people to use their guns personally. I think that is a great bet. If you think someone is mafia, kill them. No we have a good chance of winning. Anyways I would like to see colton shot as well as spurg, and nag.
That is just me though
I hope it makes sense. I have been drinking Doppelbock and feel that it may not.
Ok, if you say so:
Kill Rainbow Eater He won't die though so don't get excited.
As for your idea, I must say I'm with Colton on this. We should talk out our kills. Of course we run the risk of having scum take a retaliation shot, but we definitely have some numbers to give and such a shot would give away the scum immediately.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:07 pm
by F1fth
Crap, messed up the format. Kill Rainbow Eater
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:35 am
by captainwalrus
Rainbow Eater wrote:colton24 wrote: Why shoot me? Nag maybe from the voting / out of the blue, but not spurg. I would like to know why me?
If you are town you really should not fear dying.
WTF kind of a statement is that to make to a person with either an investigative role, or a good sense of who is what?
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:36 am
by captainwalrus
captainwalrus wrote:Rainbow Eater wrote:
If you are town you really should not fear dying.
WTF kind of a statement is that to make to a person with either an investigative role, or a good sense of who is what?
EBWOP
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:10 am
by safariguy5
Scene
Long discussions ensued after the death of a Gunslinger Gang Member. Not convinced with f1fth's role or explanation, Rainbow Eater demanded to be shot by him. F1fth points his gun reluctantly at Rainbow Eater and....
*click*
Nothing happens.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:12 am
by safariguy5
Announcement
It's the holidays and I'm on vacation. If there are any daykills that are done and nothing is immediately posted, don't panic, I probably don't have internet. Should be back for sure in about 5 days.
Also, good activity guys! no deadline especially since it is the holidays.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:25 am
by captainwalrus
Can we have a prod on nag? I get that it is the holidays, but if he was going away, I would think he would remember to post and tell people.Unless he did, and I just forgot.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:28 am
by colton24
captainwalrus wrote:Can we have a prod on nag? I get that it is the holidays, but if he was going away, I would think he would remember to post and tell people.Unless he did, and I just forgot.
He didn't, but a prod would be nice
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:38 am
by nagerous
I don't think it would harm F1fth if you say who you have already confirmed as town before anyone gets over-zealous and tries to kill someone else. Like at the moment ,I am very tempted to just fire at captainwalrus and win the game for the town, but if I am wrong and kill the guy you confirmed as town I will look like a tit no? It is colton you cleared right?
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:41 am
by nagerous
What about crazyirishman? Shouldn't he be prodded and replaced? Way to ignore him captain
and focus on me when I have actually posted this game day and been active in previously days... scummy much?
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:45 am
by captainwalrus
nagerous wrote:I don't think it would harm F1fth if you say who you have already confirmed as town before anyone gets over-zealous and tries to kill someone else. Like at the moment ,I am very tempted to just fire at captainwalrus and win the game for the town, but if I am wrong and kill the guy you confirmed as town I will look like a tit no? It is colton you cleared right?
Again with the crazy accusations. Whatabout /? Are you no longer fairly certain he is gunslinger?
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:46 am
by captainwalrus
nagerous wrote:What about crazyirishman? Shouldn't he be prodded and replaced? Way to ignore him captain
and focus on me when I have actually posted this game day and been active in previously days... scummy much?
I had foorgot about him, he could be prodded too. I just thought of you because you seem to be scum.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:52 am
by nagerous
captainwalrus wrote:nagerous wrote:I don't think it would harm F1fth if you say who you have already confirmed as town before anyone gets over-zealous and tries to kill someone else. Like at the moment ,I am very tempted to just fire at captainwalrus and win the game for the town, but if I am wrong and kill the guy you confirmed as town I will look like a tit no? It is colton you cleared right?
Again with the crazy accusations. Whatabout /? Are you no longer fairly certain he is gunslinger?
Dude it generated talk, I think a lot of people have forgotten how to play mafia... the last 5 pages apart from f1fth is all bullshit... 'ooh er I don't know who is scum... we have no leads... oh shi' what do we do... I'm suspicious of fifth because he said an opinion'
The idea of mafia is you make crazy accusations, it generates conversation, someone slips up, bandwagons are generated, those who jump on each bandwagon is questioned and lynched, mafia are found. This isn't the lets all hold hands and hope scum magically appear game, it is called a game of suspicion and intrigue for a reason.
Re: Gunslinger Mafia- Day 4
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:38 pm
by safariguy5
crazyirishman prodded.