Conquer Club

The Neon Peon wrote:The problem with copyright issues is not whether you were right or wrong. My high school had to change its logo this year because another one several states away was using the exact same one and threatening to sure. Although our school was founded long before theirs, the administrators found it was easier to change the logo everywhere (that means every form, calendar, banner, all the signs around the school.... everything really.) just because they found it was less expensive to do that than pay a lawyer to defend their case.

So, in a way, it is just whether you want to go through the whole legal process, lose a lot of money to pay a lawyer just so you can keep doing what you have always been doing, or inconvenience yourself slightly for a month or two until the maps are revamped? What would any of you do in this situation?

Exactly. It's better safe than sorry...

Though I admit I don't understand how Harsbo has a copyright on "Attack."

j/k, of course. They've got to remove all resemblance in terminology. It's not about the individual words, its about our instructions sounding just like theirs.

Hail to the Freemiums! They shall soon take over CC!

Ditocoaf wrote:

The Neon Peon wrote:The problem with copyright issues is not whether you were right or wrong. My high school had to change its logo this year because another one several states away was using the exact same one and threatening to sure. Although our school was founded long before theirs, the administrators found it was easier to change the logo everywhere (that means every form, calendar, banner, all the signs around the school.... everything really.) just because they found it was less expensive to do that than pay a lawyer to defend their case.

So, in a way, it is just whether you want to go through the whole legal process, lose a lot of money to pay a lawyer just so you can keep doing what you have always been doing, or inconvenience yourself slightly for a month or two until the maps are revamped? What would any of you do in this situation?

Exactly. It's better safe than sorry...

Though I admit I don't understand how Harsbo has a copyright on "Attack."

Ditocoaf wrote:Exactly. It's better safe than sorry...

You just answered your own question, mate.

Assaulting just sounds so....wrong

The new intensity cubes are nothing like the ones in the videos where all the people have naked seizures.

I'm confused by the changes.

About the ONLY thing the makers of the board game can argue, is the distribution of countries on the "classic" map.

1) You CANNOT copyright a map of existing or previously existing countries etc.
'2) You CANNOT copyright any words recognized in the dictionary...so the owners of this site could even call the site RISK if they want to...as long as they don't use the artwork of the name the board game makers did. Especially when they refer to actual terms and recognized definitions (ie. cards, reinforcements, etc.)
3) You CANNOT copyright the layout/design of a die...even D&D that used 20-sided dice found that out when they tried to sue someone for introducing 20-sided dice into another game.

Of COURSE this site posed a threat to the board game company...because THEY were not innovative or forward thinking enough to think of it themselves. If THEY were smart...they'd offer to buy it rather than attack it.

What the owners of THIS site should be doing...is looking for a site host outside the US. Then the boardgame company has no jurisdiction over any of the issues.

As a side note...the new "classic map" really stinks...someone could have at least made it "look" like a map of some kind...or laid it out better.

Hopefully someone here will make a change for the better...and stop worrying about the idiots at the boardgame company.

InsomniaRed wrote:Assaulting just sounds so....wrong

But "Reinforcing" sounds better than "Fortifying."

Look on the bright side...

The Neon Peon wrote:

Ditocoaf wrote:

The Neon Peon wrote:The problem with copyright issues is not whether you were right or wrong. My high school had to change its logo this year because another one several states away was using the exact same one and threatening to sure. Although our school was founded long before theirs, the administrators found it was easier to change the logo everywhere (that means every form, calendar, banner, all the signs around the school.... everything really.) just because they found it was less expensive to do that than pay a lawyer to defend their case.

So, in a way, it is just whether you want to go through the whole legal process, lose a lot of money to pay a lawyer just so you can keep doing what you have always been doing, or inconvenience yourself slightly for a month or two until the maps are revamped? What would any of you do in this situation?

Exactly. It's better safe than sorry...

Though I admit I don't understand how Harsbo has a copyright on "Attack."

Ditocoaf wrote:Exactly. It's better safe than sorry...

You just answered your own question, mate.

I ninja'd you with an edit... heh.

DaGip wrote:

nemrehs1 wrote:The dice are not really copyrighted by anyone. It can not be copyrighted and anyone can use them. So why change Conquer Club's dice?

Probably because Risk uses three little white dice vs two little red dice....something stupid like that.

Hasbro doesn't have a copyright on virtual dice vs real dice vs any dice for that matter!

then just change the dice colors... i dont like numbers

PepperJack wrote:The new intensity cubes are nothing like the ones in the videos where all the people have naked seizures.

............

nemrehs1 wrote:

DaGip wrote:

nemrehs1 wrote:The dice are not really copyrighted by anyone. It can not be copyrighted and anyone can use them. So why change Conquer Club's dice?

Probably because Risk uses three little white dice vs two little red dice....something stupid like that.

Hasbro doesn't have a copyright on virtual dice vs real dice vs any dice for that matter!

then just change the dice colors... i dont like numbers

I never look at the dice anyway, I just look at the yellow outline. I can live with the green.

InsomniaRed wrote:

nemrehs1 wrote:

DaGip wrote:

nemrehs1 wrote:The dice are not really copyrighted by anyone. It can not be copyrighted and anyone can use them. So why change Conquer Club's dice?

Probably because Risk uses three little white dice vs two little red dice....something stupid like that.

Hasbro doesn't have a copyright on virtual dice vs real dice vs any dice for that matter!

then just change the dice colors... i dont like numbers

I never look at the dice anyway, I just look at the yellow outline. I can live with the green.

plus....i dont think they can copyright dice colors...lol

cant you fuckers(twilldo) (lack), and anybody else figure out a fucking way to make the classic map a little better than what it looks like now.

i understand the copyright infringement bullshit, but that new look is fucking retarded. cant you just rename the fucking countries?

cant you just make the map look a little different?

i for one, am done playing the classic map. and being that, that is the only map i like to play. i am done with cc.

The Classic map has been rendered close to unplayable....my head hurts just looking at it. Did I read correctly that it will be re-done as an actual map, not like the chemical make-up of some element?

AGEsAces wrote:
1) You CANNOT copyright a map of existing or previously existing countries etc.

'2) You CANNOT copyright any words recognized in the dictionary...so the owners of this site could even call the site RISK if they want to...as long as they don't use the artwork of the name the board game makers did. Especially when they refer to actual terms and recognized definitions (ie. cards, reinforcements, etc.)

3) You CANNOT copyright the layout/design of a die...even D&D that used 20-sided dice found that out when they tried to sue someone for introducing 20-sided dice into another game.

What the owners of THIS site should be doing...is looking for a site host outside the US. Then the boardgame company has no jurisdiction over any of the issues.

Hear hear. Well said.

* The classic map we were all playing with was NOT a breach of Hasbro copyright.
* The use of the words 'attack', 'fortify' and 'cards' was NOT a breach of Hasbro copyright.
* The images of dice used to determine and illustrate the outcome of battle was NOT a breach of Basbro copyright.

Unfortunately, hosting outside of the US will not necessarily immunise CC against copyright breach, as all but a handful of countries in the world are signatories to the Bern agreement, in which they all defend and enforce each other's copyright obligations.

Phil1580 wrote:The Classic map has been rendered close to unplayable....my head hurts just looking at it. Did I read correctly that it will be re-done as an actual map, not like the chemical make-up of some element?

yes.

Twill wrote:So, from what I understand (and I don't know much) we had to make the changes that we did because of potential copyright issues. I don't know what else you guys want me to say. That's all there is to it.

As to how ugly it is, sure, it can be revamped, and hopefully will be, it's not my favourite map right now. However, it's got to steer well clear of any possible copyright concerns.

There's not much else I can say, I'm afraid...apologies

Twill

OliverFA wrote:...I thought I would be nice to open a thread so people could post and demonstrate their support to the site in those moments. So, I will be the first. I support CC and appreciate their effort in creating a superb strategy multiplayer site.

Good positive thoughts OliverFA.

How about a Hasbro map? It could have targets like Legal Dept, etc. and everyone could have fun conquering Hasbro with the new intensity cubes.

Us Foundry folks will be working on starting something over the next couple of days. Keep an eye out, we'll need everyone's help.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:Us Foundry folks will be working on starting something over the next couple of days. Keep an eye out, we'll need everyone's help.


--Andy

Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you

Man, I'm glad I don't really use Risk™ (suck it Hasbro, your sales probably go up from sites like this, stop wasting the profits on crushing the fun out of internet games) features on this site any more.

I fully support CC and it's staff.

Please keep moving our posts with no explanation whatsoever, or telling us what content it was you didn't want in the public realm. Cause that's really professional and stuff.

AndyDufresne wrote:Us Foundry folks will be working on starting something over the next couple of days. Keep an eye out, we'll need everyone's help.


--Andy

I'd be happy to help, but it would be helpful to have a definitive list of what was supposed to be so wrong with the old map that cannot be included in the new map. Why not post that in here to help us all understand?

Although I lack the collegial articulation of Mr. ronc8649 I have to admit that is an extremely pathetic stab at the classic map, as well it had been my favorite and after i finish the existing games cannot play such an ugly connect the dots type of map and will seriously debate continuing my membership when the time comes around.

once were all pissed let's go buz the foundry with a bunch of revamps !!!!!!!!

ah can we at Lear have an announcement