[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 4

[SoN!c]

Only when EW wants to make an over the top win in just 3 days reccord time this could be a real possibility. Why a chess lover would make such an all in poker game win is beyond me and only if this would be EW'd very last game ever i would consider this an actual possibility. Better to burn out then to fade away. So unless somebody sees an actual KISS endgame for a mafia EW please inform me. Otherwise : EW is town.

[Devante]

I'd like to see King respond as he's L-2 before changing any vote. And rags to answer EW's question;

Rag, have you looked at how Sonic interacted with me/around my info claim? When I explicitly said that one of you visited Halrob, why didnt you jump to Sonic there and then?

. Loose jumping on that seems odd too but I'll leave that for now.

[Loose Canon]

Only when EW wants to make an over the top win in just 3 days reccord time this could be a real possibility. Why a chess lover would make such an all in poker game win is beyond me and only if this would be EW'd very last game ever i would consider this an actual possibility. Better to burn out then to fade away. So unless somebody sees an actual KISS endgame for a mafia EW please inform me. Otherwise : EW is town.

Sonic - what is worse play

A. Town EW outing his own Town Power Role and Probably Yours - FOR NO RETURN
B. Mafia EW using a watcher/lurker ability and revealing himself as such IF WE ARE SMART ENOUGH TO REALISE AND DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN THE OH EW IS TOO SMART FOR POSSIBILTY A SELF ENTANGLEMENT

If we don't realise B is the least bad of the 2 possibilities EW and MAFIA has very close to a home run to victory - and it would be extremely elegant too elegant for EW to resist once he thought of it. It blends so well into Halrobs claim, you visiting Halrob as Town Doctor - everything really.

(In chess terminology Extreme has played a trappy gambit - and check out my chess record in Other Games on this site)

As things stand even if we get Extreme there is still plenty of work to do with finding the other Mafia.
Take the small win today and lead the hunt for the rest of the Mafia tomorrow Sonic.

And if I'm right and I believe I am I'd like us to dedicate this to our sorely missed, and lately departed friend Kong who I must admit to my shame and past ignorance I have doubted his logic with in similar circumstances. Please Kong if you are looking down at us from the sky forgive me for my past hubris, and let us dedicate this small victory to you and your greatness.

For Kong! For Kong! For Kong!

[Extreme Ways]

Why are you preflipping me wolf?

[Ragian]

Rag, have you looked at how Sonic interacted with me/around my info claim? When I explicitly said that one of you visited Halrob, why didnt you jump to Sonic there and then?

1. I have been on Son!c's case since D1, but you may have not noticed. It was a list. Actually based on your interaction with him. An interaction that looks interesting in hindsight.
2. I wanted everyone to talk before throwing my vote around, but now it's just ridiculous, so I've voted where I think there's scum.
3. Why jump on something that I don't is true or not? And why does my timing matter?

Loose! Read this again. Carefully.

Out hiking but skimmed through.

@Loose, as per my list D1, I suspect Son!c. Now EW claims that Son!c visited halrob, which, weirdly, makes EW think Son!c is town. Son!c, in turn, buddies up to EW. EW, however, has made him selv an escape hatch by saying that he doesn't know if Son!c is town.

Knowing that Son!c visited halrob N1 confirms my D1 suspicion of Son!c. Therefore, vote Son!c. Son!c did not visit halrob in a protective capacity.

I'm also weary of chana who seems to limp in with his vote on kingm, seemingly thinking that it doesn't look suspicious now.

Town:
Hjelp
Loose
Halrob

No clue:
Devante
Devon
Max
Kingm

Suspicion:
Chana
EW

Scum:
Son!c

[Ragian]

You think Son!c is town, Loose?

Actually yes I do.
I think he's doctor.
He usually buys his medicine from the reputable company Procter & Gamble.
This game he's bought from Procter & Gangster (EW)
Not his fault.

EW has made a big mistake.
It would however look like genius level innovative use of mafia lurker though if he got away with it.

So what is EW's endgame?

Let's assume EW is mafia Tracker → sees who the target visits or mafia Watcher → sees who visits the target.. but both scum PR have no clue on what action was performed. Okay and so EW (mafia) wants to know my role N1 so he tracks/watches me (makes much sense to do as mafia to track me and it would explain the "town heavy" investigative roles like we seem to have better) or he watched Halrob (says he tracked me but even if thats a lie and he observed Halrob where is the endgame?)? Why take the risk? Just to survive today and steer the lynch?

Lets say its to steer the lynch on a townie/SK and by doing so surviving D2.

So N2 : 7 alive on non mafia side (town and SK) and 3 mafia.

N2》 SK will target EW mafia for sure - he even posted "to the SK make sure to kill a mafia")

D3: 2 mafia alive and 6 non mafia (5 town and 1 SK most likely when mafia NK another townie)

= just stupid EW mafia play

It's funny how that would be a bad play for scum when town, according to your statements earlier today, MUST get scum or it's game over. Whose looking bad? Town or scum?

[SoN!c]

You think Son!c is town, Loose?

Actually yes I do.
I think he's doctor.
He usually buys his medicine from the reputable company Procter & Gamble.
This game he's bought from Procter & Gangster (EW)
Not his fault.

EW has made a big mistake.
It would however look like genius level innovative use of mafia lurker though if he got away with it.

So what is EW's endgame?

Let's assume EW is mafia Tracker → sees who the target visits or mafia Watcher → sees who visits the target.. but both scum PR have no clue on what action was performed. Okay and so EW (mafia) wants to know my role N1 so he tracks/watches me (makes much sense to do as mafia to track me and it would explain the "town heavy" investigative roles like we seem to have better) or he watched Halrob (says he tracked me but even if thats a lie and he observed Halrob where is the endgame?)? Why take the risk? Just to survive today and steer the lynch?

Lets say its to steer the lynch on a townie/SK and by doing so surviving D2.

So N2 : 7 alive on non mafia side (town and SK) and 3 mafia.

N2》 SK will target EW mafia for sure - he even posted "to the SK make sure to kill a mafia")

D3: 2 mafia alive and 6 non mafia (5 town and 1 SK most likely when mafia NK another townie)

= just stupid EW mafia play

It's funny how that would be a bad play for scum when town, according to your statements earlier today, MUST get scum or it's game over. Whose looking bad? Town or scum?

You are just tunelling on me because i called you old and having memory issues

Your right. I should not have said that. Im sorry.. Then again i would probably do it again just to tickle your old feet

[SoN!c]

Oooops

[Loose Canon]

Rag sonic, just sit back and admire the elegance of a mafia extreme, a ton doc sonic, a vanilla town rag, a probable vanilla town kingm, and a possible serial killer.

Admire the elegance of extremes pleas to the serial killer that it's in his interest to go for a mafia. Who would a sk look at if following that logic - one of sonic, rag or kingm. And if a sk thinks no I'll go for clever ew instead, maybe just maybe sonic has decided to be doctor visiting ew.

In fact just imagine for one moment that ew is mafia, sonic is town doc, rag and king are vanilla town - look at ews posts and drinks in the pure beauty of his play.

Fpd

[SoN!c]

And yes we must get scum today. You seem to think we can walk silly on the stairway to ignorance if we have your fairy dust then we have all the time in the world to get there with your ignorance is bliss booger sugar or whatever elf sand you keep sprinkling down on town? Now get your head out of my arse and think like the real Ragian

FP by loose

[Loose Canon]

Reverse engineer your thinking in short based on a mafia extreme

[Loose Canon]

Sonic, when you were mafia with extreme and I logic'd you too, didn't I turn out to be right that game, and wasn't I absolutely certain?

It's the same this game except you are town doc and extreme is mafia

[Loose Canon]

In fact charity bet sonic and rag open to each of you.

I say extreme is mafia, sonic is town doc, rag and I are vanilla town.

If I'm right in all 4 respects you give £100 to your favourite charity.
If I'm wrong in ANY of the 4 respects I'll give £100 to your favourite charity and £100 to mine.

So if both of you took me up and I'm wrong in any of the 4 respects I give £400 to charity.

??

[SoN!c]

Sonic, when you were mafia with extreme and I logic'd you too, didn't I turn out to be right that game, and wasn't I absolutely certain?

It's the same this game except you are town doc and extreme is mafia

That is true. Still i can only see Ragian’s push on me - one that is very thin. And on money day. We simply do not have the days to recover if town follows that elfish dust push, or even if we mislynch all together. So what do i have to do here? Thinking Rag and EW are in it together? Thats nuts. I’m not asking for a free pass either — just that Ragians accusations against me be grounded, and not build on some D1 arse pulled assumptions. If anyone thinks I contradicted myself or slipped, quote it, and I’ll respond. Until then, I encourage us to put pressure where the evidence is much thicker and where we need to be. On the edge to keep us sharp. Because today is money time and scum knows it.

[hjelp]

I have no idea if a traitor is a common 3P in a Maffia Game. But a traitor wins even if a dead traitor - if Mafia win.
EW has on several occasions claimed his own death this night or soon.
Pushing for it to happen. Why is that?
If townies vote a traitor for a lynch it will be a waste of vote and a win for the traitor and Mafia. Also to push for a SK to kill a traitor instead of a Mafia is a win for the traitor and Mafia.
That's the reason for EW's third place in my list (just in case if a scout).
We townies don't have to lynch a traitor since a traitor is townie.
It's better to focus on SK and Mafia to lynch.
Or ??

[Kingm]

I feel like a broken record, but I'm still low on energy here guys, I see I'm at L-2 or something like that, so I probably should claim.
I wish I could say a good town power role and have some good info to us, but I'm just a vanilla townie, so if I get lynched its probably not the worst I guess, but if its 2 more dead townies N2 we are in deep deep shit.
This is a crazy active game, and I have almost not read anything from D2 yet, so I just hope "wake up" again soon, so I can try my best to find out who is the ones who are talking a lot of bullshit.

[Loose Canon]

I want a quorum of me, sonic and rag onto ew.
Then work out how to get other most likely town to join us, or for players not joining to argue why not.
That might give us an opening to sift likelihoods or not of others being mafia when Extreme flips mafia.

Sonic you say today is money day.
Earlier you said show you extremes end game.

Haven't you not just almost answered your own show me?

Fpd

[SoN!c]

I want a quorum of me, sonic and rag onto ew.
Then work out how to get other most likely town to join us, or for players not joining to argue why not.
That might give us an opening to sift likelihoods or not of others being mafia when Extreme flips mafia.

Sonic you say today is money day.
Earlier you said show you extremes end game.

Haven't you not just almost answered your own show me?

Fpd

I need time to rethink. Its too elaborate. EW played D2 exactly like i would want us town to play. And too much wine and beers.

[halrob64]

Kingm,
If you are not having time to engage why are you making a declaration of vanilla townie? That seems more like a ruse to throw everyone off track or to gain time while you think up a move. I don't see you under threat of a lynching at this point.
Where is Max "Headroom" Maxleod is he out of the game now?
Chanakam seems to be flip flopping about and seems to be the town fool but I think he is too clever for that role.

[Devante]

UNVOTE KINGM

Loose I'm really struggling with this bandwagon on EW cause from most of what in the posts he's playing like he normally would when town but you're saying this is an elaborate ruse, I just don't get it. And you're confident sonic and ragian are town even though rags is on Sonic at the moment.

So in your scenario if EW is scum then we're rolling but if not then what's your game play from there?

FP halrob

[SoN!c]

I feel like a broken record, but I'm still low on energy here guys, I see I'm at L-2 or something like that, so I probably should claim.
I wish I could say a good town power role and have some good info to us, but I'm just a vanilla townie, so if I get lynched its probably not the worst I guess, but if its 2 more dead townies N2 we are in deep deep shit.
This is a crazy active game, and I have almost not read anything from D2 yet, so I just hope "wake up" again soon, so I can try my best to find out who is the ones who are talking a lot of bullshit.

Well i'd expected you 100% to jump at my throath backing Ragian's elfish arse powder sprinkles.

[SoN!c]

Unvote kingm

[Loose Canon]

UNVOTE KINGM

Loose I'm really struggling with this bandwagon on EW cause from most of what in the posts he's playing like he normally would when town but you're saying this is an elaborate ruse, I just don't get it. And you're confident sonic and ragian are town even though rags is on Sonic at the moment.

So in your scenario if EW is scum then we're rolling but if not then what's your game play from there?

FP halrob

That is very very much like the tack extreme took when I was onto extreme when sonic and extreme were mafia together.
I think he said something like and if you're wrong?
All I could say then was if I'm wrong I'm wrong.

[Extreme Ways]

In fact charity bet sonic and rag open to each of you.

I say extreme is mafia, sonic is town doc, rag and I are vanilla town.

If I'm right in all 4 respects you give £100 to your favourite charity.
If I'm wrong in ANY of the 4 respects I'll give £100 to your favourite charity and £100 to mine.

So if both of you took me up and I'm wrong in any of the 4 respects I give £400 to charity.

??

can I also be included smh

[Extreme Ways]

I have no idea if a traitor is a common 3P in a Maffia Game. But a traitor wins even if a dead traitor - if Mafia win.
EW has on several occasions claimed his own death this night or soon.
Pushing for it to happen. Why is that?
If townies vote a traitor for a lynch it will be a waste of vote and a win for the traitor and Mafia. Also to push for a SK to kill a traitor instead of a Mafia is a win for the traitor and Mafia.
That's the reason for EW's third place in my list (just in case if a scout).
We townies don't have to lynch a traitor since a traitor is townie.
It's better to focus on SK and Mafia to lynch.
Or ??

Because town power roles, especially vocal ones, tend not to survive for long.

WIth two people unvoting, I can safely vote kingm.

Sonic not being counterclaimed does not mean he is for sure town but it does make it more likely. Question arises on whether we would have four town power roles, of which 3 of quite high power, or not. And if so, who of Sonic/Halrob is lying.

@Loose I respect the hustle but there is absolutely no need for me to out a visit, push Rag knowing he didnt visit, and then town Sonic. The mafia angle is that I accuse Sonic of being a roleblocker when I would know he is town. If there's 1 mafia between us, it has to be Sonic. You can argue that I am mafia alongside a mafia Sonic, and I will defend that angle if Sonic flips mafia. In short: by claiming a power role I am on a timer. The longer I survive, the less credible my claim becomes. If I am using this to mislim someone, I frame the cop. I could easily say "Halrob visited Ragian" while Halrob is roleblocked. If Halrob flips, I can blame mod error in my tracking report.