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...that's the point I was making. If I was scum, then -- given that I have in fact played this game before -- I would know that a smart scum team splits up their votes. It would be completely unreasonable to expect that a scum team with at least some veterans on it would all be missing from that D1 lynch. It is actually pretty insulting that you are suggesting I am scum for this reason -- you're effectively saying I'm too stupid to have gotten on the Tim lynch, given that none of my alleged scum mates were on it. So if anything the place we should probably be looking for any remaining scum is in the latter part of the list of people who voted for Tim.Ragian wrote:I call bullshit on that, sir.
1) None of your scummates was on the Tim and TWR lynches either.
Not necessarily. Sometimes things prevent optimal play from occurring even when it comes to veterans. As a hypothetical, just for the sake of example, you could have someone who might have wanted to get on the lynch but was too busy with RL issues and missed the hammer. This particular thing doesn't apply to me -- I am basically always online -- but maybe it could happen to someone else. Or, who knows, maybe someone decided to go the next meta-level up and stayed off the Tim lynch as part of a WIFOM maneuver. I certainly would have considered this angle too if I were scum. So the point here is mainly that it's damn hard to infer meaning from someone's presence or absence on the lynch list.2) Your argument leads to the conclusion that the last scum must be all the things you're claiming not to be (dumb and/or inexperienced) since everyone left was on either the Tim or the TWR lynch.
Nice try, but I'm not falling for that. "Well he helped nail an anti-town player -- one that I didn't even get on the lynch for -- but that's inconvenient to my case right now, so I'm going to shift the goalposts and redefine what it means to help town." Killing IB is way more important to town's long-term interests than killing a mafia stooge, and you know that, but admitting that would be like admitting maybe you're wrong, and no, Ragian can't do that can he?What have you done in terms of nailing scum (not cult, scum) this game?
Upon further review, this just doesn't add up.strike wolf wrote:LSU and Hotshot pretty much have it right. IB is cult recruiter. He recruited me night 2. Why? I guess because he thought I might have something on him which I did. I am the cop and had him as third party/cult after night 1. Why confess? I become third party survivor if IB is lynched or killed. I wanted to help cult win but that doesn't seem likely any more so I'll go with trying to win it on my own. Note: I don't trust madmitch. Im a cop and we have a tracker and watcher. Too many investigative roles. Already have 3 with a role that could have replaced one.
Well, at least you're saying things now. The personal touch with me calling you stupid, I can do without. That's entirely how you perceive it. And for the record, I'm used to being wrong. It jsut so happens that I'm not wrong in this case. (Well, in my point of view, of course.)Metsfanmax wrote:...that's the point I was making. If I was scum, then -- given that I have in fact played this game before -- I would know that a smart scum team splits up their votes. It would be completely unreasonable to expect that a scum team with at least some veterans on it would all be missing from that D1 lynch. It is actually pretty insulting that you are suggesting I am scum for this reason -- you're effectively saying I'm too stupid to have gotten on the Tim lynch, given that none of my alleged scum mates were on it. So if anything the place we should probably be looking for any remaining scum is in the latter part of the list of people who voted for Tim.Ragian wrote:I call bullshit on that, sir.
1) None of your scummates was on the Tim and TWR lynches either.
Not necessarily. Sometimes things prevent optimal play from occurring even when it comes to veterans. As a hypothetical, just for the sake of example, you could have someone who might have wanted to get on the lynch but was too busy with RL issues and missed the hammer. This particular thing doesn't apply to me -- I am basically always online -- but maybe it could happen to someone else. Or, who knows, maybe someone decided to go the next meta-level up and stayed off the Tim lynch as part of a WIFOM maneuver. I certainly would have considered this angle too if I were scum. So the point here is mainly that it's damn hard to infer meaning from someone's presence or absence on the lynch list.2) Your argument leads to the conclusion that the last scum must be all the things you're claiming not to be (dumb and/or inexperienced) since everyone left was on either the Tim or the TWR lynch.
Nice try, but I'm not falling for that. "Well he helped nail an anti-town player -- one that I didn't even get on the lynch for -- but that's inconvenient to my case right now, so I'm going to shift the goalposts and redefine what it means to help town." Killing IB is way more important to town's long-term interests than killing a mafia stooge, and you know that, but admitting that would be like admitting maybe you're wrong, and no, Ragian can't do that can he?What have you done in terms of nailing scum (not cult, scum) this game?
Metsfanmax wrote:It would be completely unreasonable to expect that a scum team with at least some veterans on it would all be missing from that D1 lynch. It is actually pretty insulting that you are suggesting I am scum for this reason -- you're effectively saying I'm too stupid to have gotten on the Tim lynch, given that none of my alleged scum mates were on it.
That would be someone experienced...like you...Metsfanmax wrote:Or, who knows, maybe someone decided to go the next meta-level up and stayed off the Tim lynch as part of a WIFOM maneuver.
That doesn't change the nature of the argument. Even if the result is town/not town instead of mafia/not mafia, it still doesn't allow for the possibility of getting a "third party/cult" result.Ragian wrote:
re: strike wolf and mechanics
I've played loads of games as cop where I've gotten the result scum/town, but also loads of games as cop where I've gotten the result not town/town. It's up to the mod really. I don't think that your first argument against strike is airtight.
How do we know he didn't try? LSU confirms that strike visited me. Perhaps the wishbone saved me, or perhaps a doc tried to protect me. I don't think this is more likely than the cult possibility, but that's OK, because if I'm wrong, we still kill cult.But if strike were indeed the last scum, why didn't he kill anyone last night?
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Your main argument that I am mafia, that mitch (and strike?) said I am, is also based on something you're not privy toRagian wrote:My main argument is that your argument hinges on something we're not privy to. The mod decides how he wants to divulge information. Some mods have different ways is all I've learned. Anyway, I'm still keeping my eye on Strike, so really I shouldn't take up the argument. And yet I did.
It has a 50% chance of reversing the result of an action that targets me. I can't really say anymore without treading on the role PM.@mets, this wishbone you keep mentioning. What does it do? I'm not asking you to quote your role PM, but could you provide some information, please?
I have no reason to trust your claim that cult visited you. If you're a mafia rolecop as I suggested, you could have been making that bit up entirely.strike wolf wrote:Mets you are using the same half logic that you are accusing others of. Cults almost always die when they visit mafia yet you are trying to make me into the last mafia when I have admitted that cult visited me.
If you were town-aligned you wouldn't need to be asked, you would do it because town-aligned people are always as forthcoming with the truth as they can be.I was never asked for the logic behind my investigations either by the way.
Before you said the result was "third party/cult." Now you're saying the result was "third party." Seems like you're changing your story.N1 and N2 I went for people I was suspicious of who I thought were unlikely to be the main lynch target the next day without an investigation. N1 that was IB, he had basically taken day 1 off after voting the easy in actives and only drew a little bit of attention. My result came back third party.
How convenient that you investigated the person who died that night.N2 I investigated whatsausage.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
, lets try to find and hang the SK . I think it might AOG .
