Conquer Club

SoN!c wrote:Im gonna follow Charle and believe Raz on this. Raz said his evil doppleganger will start to sing very soon.

And the first song on Raz throwing shades on Raz is made by Swang.

Makes me wonder?
What does Loose know on Swang that he is so sure Swang is scum? Because ever since the smokebomb event Loose went on Swang like a hornet.

Sonic, its not the smokebomb thing that has me going hard for Swang. It is the Swang blending in MO of scum logic pure and simple 100%.
But something you have said makes me think you might deduced who I am - if so credit where credit is due - but maybe keep your thoughts to yourself just for now as I want to skim some CC credits from the doubters out there - maybe

To All,
All the stuff that is being put around about me playing in a way that is unhelpful for town does not cut the mustard with me in any way.
Put up with my offer of a Conquer Club Credits wager on Swang or Shut up is what I say to All ye of little faith.
Better still just Lynch Scummy Swang

Loose Canon wrote:

SoN!c wrote:Im gonna follow Charle and believe Raz on this. Raz said his evil doppleganger will start to sing very soon.

And the first song on Raz throwing shades on Raz is made by Swang.

Makes me wonder?
What does Loose know on Swang that he is so sure Swang is scum? Because ever since the smokebomb event Loose went on Swang like a hornet.

Sonic, its not the smokebomb thing that has me going hard for Swang. It is the Swang blending in MO of scum logic pure and simple 100%.
But something you have said makes me think you might deduced who I am - if so credit where credit is due - but maybe keep your thoughts to yourself just for now as I want to skim some CC credits from the doubters out there - maybe

To All,
All the stuff that is being put around about me playing in a way that is unhelpful for town does not cut the mustard with me in any way.
Put up with my offer of a Conquer Club Credits wager on Swang or Shut up is what I say to All ye of little faith.
Better still just Lynch Scummy Swang

I hear ya Loose. And yes. And yes, it's not the smokebomb.

your right my reason for voting razor is sketchy so i gonna unvote him but why would him other ego be bad for town that is the answer needed


un-vote razor

traffic133 wrote:your right my reason for voting razor is sketchy so i gonna unvote him but why would him other ego be bad for town that is the answer needed


un-vote razor

Why? Watch this video around 3.47

I don't buy it. How is that Sonic has been after Loose all game, and now suddenly he believes him and now are buddy-secrets and all. The only "Certainway that Loose would know swang is mafia is if he was cop and checked on swang (Now Loose has been trying to find the cop, but why?

is it cause he is the cop and is trying to diverse attention - I don't think so. He has Offered Sonic the trade reveal D1, then Swang and I'm almost sure he also offered it to someone else. i'll doubt Loose is cop. So Loose says he knows swang is mafia (That could be), but why, only cause it's the modus operandi to blend in, at least 3 or more players are also just "blending in"

I don't buy it.

TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:I don't buy it. How is that Sonic has been after Loose all game, and now suddenly he believes him and now are buddy-secrets and all. The only "Certainway that Loose would know swang is mafia is if he was cop and checked on swang (Now Loose has been trying to find the cop, but why?

is it cause he is the cop and is trying to diverse attention - I don't think so. He has Offered Sonic the trade reveal D1, then Swang and I'm almost sure he also offered it to someone else. i'll doubt Loose is cop. So Loose says he knows swang is mafia (That could be), but why, only cause it's the modus operandi to blend in, at least 3 or more players are also just "blending in"

I don't buy it.

Yeah, the whole progression of the day made me realise that it's fruitless to defend Loose. He doesn't act town, and doesn't seem to vote with town either. Perhaps the role is town but based on the actions taken third party with a twist seems more likely.

Not to distract from Raz, which I'm tempted to vote for (again) just to get him to clarify things.

ok. I will think about Loose vs Swang. it is possible none of them are town? Loose is against Swang, but Swang is not against Loose?
On the other hand Pixar is not talking too much 'today'. and something I dont understand about Raz.
I guess I have not more information to share except my feelings about some player.

PepeAtila wrote:ok. I will think about Loose vs Swang. it is possible none of them are town? Loose is against Swang, but Swang is not against Loose?
On the other hand Pixar is not talking too much 'today'. and something I dont understand about Raz.
I guess I have not more information to share except my feelings about some player.

I am against Loose. I was one of the initiators of the wagon D1 and I was pressing him today and voted him before the smoke bomb. I'm just not adding to the Loose discussion today because he can't be lynched today so it's pointless. Wait til D3, I'm gonna bring the heat.

Can someone explain to me a situation where Raz is Town and Raz doesn't want to say who the evil twin is?

fusibaseball wrote:Can someone explain to me a situation where Raz is Town and Raz doesn't want to say who the evil twin is?

X2. I don't get why if he is town can't say the name of the evil twin

fusibaseball wrote:Can someone explain to me a situation where Raz is Town and Raz doesn't want to say who the evil twin is?

There isn't. The ambiguity of it apparently was enough for some people to unvote. And some others are entertaining the idea of Swang because ????
Not following some people's train of thought here.

I needed more time to think about it on the back burner while I was at work all day but yeah it straight-up just doesn't make sense.

Lynch all liars. Vote Raz

Because Swang doubts Raz's claim and Raz said that his evil doppelganger would reveal themselves after he said what he did. So Son!c apparently believes him. I'd also like to hear more about Son!c's reasoning because it seemed like a real big shift.

The thing is that Swang isn't exactly wrong in his thoughts on the matter. Traditionally in these matters, either neither of them know who the other is, both of them do or the one who knows is the one who needs to get the other one lynched/killed. It's not as common for the one who is the target to know the exact identity of his pursuer because as Swang deduced, it tends to put the one who needs to push the lynch through at a disadvantage. Thing is, I can't think of any reason if Raz was actually the evil doppelganger he would bring up the possibility and then not claim that the one he's trying to lynch is the evil doppelganger. It doesn't make much more sense than him not saying so as town. Mod swearing him to secrecy is a possibility. It's possible we're dealing with a they both know situation. In which case, the doppelganger would likely be among those who gave consistently been against Raz but then why would Raz think they would push against him harder now that he's revealed the info? Or it could just be an odd case where the pursued knows their pursuer and its balanced out some other way.

As far as doppelganger, evil twins and clones in The Tick. It was a recurring theme to an extent. Ranging from simple mistaken identity like when Arthur was mistaken for Carmelita because they wore identical flying suits. To an angry nuisance, like Barry when he tried to get The Tick to relinquish his name because according to Barry, he was the Tick first. To crimes to get wealthy like in Armless &Harmless and The one where a thief got turned into multiple copies and impersonated Santa. To world domination plots where an evil extra dimensional alien wanted to clone Arthur and The Tick and use them to take over the world! There are other incidents, I'm pretty sure but those are the ones I remember.

I think I'm also going to move Traf off my scummy list and back to neutral for now. My suspicions were based in part on him seeming quieter than he had in Elementary but he's been more active over the last couple days and that started before I called him out on seeming quiet so the rise in activity feels genuine.

degaston wrote:Vote Count:

• Razorvich : 5 (Ragian, *Pixar*, traffic133, DirtyDishSoap, PepeAtila)
  swang918 : 2 (Loose Canon x 2)
  *Pixar* : 1 (SoN!c)
  Loose Canon : 0 ()
  
  No Vote : 11 (Charle, Darin44, DukeHazzard, Extreme Ways, fusibaseball, General Bax, Maxleod, Razorvich, strike wolf, swang918, TrafalgarLaw01)

18 Alive, 10 votes needed to lynch

If im not mistaken Raz is still on 5, possible 7 if Loose switches. I can safely add to this.
vote Razorvich

(also I appreciate them being in vote order!)

swang918 wrote:Razor is lying about something. Let's break down his claim. His claim has three parts:
1. There is someone whose win condition is to lynch Razor.
2. Razor knows who it is. and
3. Razor is town.
Ok so assume that all three are true aka Razor is telling the truth. That would mean that there is someone who is out to lynch him, a townie. What's that person's alignment? That person can't be town obviously. It's also not scum--doesn't make sense for a single scum to have an individual win condition of killing a specific villager. And also most likely not third party, because if he's 3p then that means we have a townie, Razor, who started the game knowing the identity, alignment, and mission of a 3p--which would be incredibly unfair to the 3p.
Therefore, it's impossible for Razor to be telling the truth about all 3 aspects of his claim.

Now he's probably not making up the whole role out of thin air.

If I had to guess, there are two 3ps, each of whose win condition is to lynch the other. Razor is one. Maybe Ragian for the other.

1. According to this theory, this someone could be you
2. Inevitably, it means you and Raz are coordinated.
3. And you're both scum.

Why shouldn't everyone vote you, just as a precaution?

DirtyDishSoap wrote:

Ragian wrote:Humm...or we could do it the other way around if the game stops with you being lynched by that dude, but for now, just mention your evil twin.

On my phone, hate replying this way but i want to point this out.
Its very unlikely the evil twin just wins. And even then, there's nothing implying as such.

This is dejavu moment where Fusi played this exact same tactic to avoid a lynch and *que dramatic music* BUM BUM BUM ended up being GF.

I do believe i know what evil twin he is talking about though.

@Loose, you're the most anti town roadblock thus far. Any discussion about you or your smoke bomb thing is just a distraction.

Well, my vote is still on Raz, who, as I mentioned a million years ago, has pulled the same stunt as Pixar. This has now set a precedent for the entire game. No one needs to claim, no one needs to actually follow the will of the majority.

Also, if both DDS and Son!c know who the evil twin is, why the fudge aren't you voting for that person?

I know the character or think i know the character who he is referring to, not the actual person who's slotted to be him, or i would be voting for him.

Strike mentioned it, but i would rather not give Raz ammo.

Ah right. I misunderstood. I haven't watched a tick of the show, so I have no clue. My vote is still on Raz, however, because I can't see the issue with mentioning his twin apart from him being lynched for lying.

Hi Trafalgar and Extreme,

You both want to divert away from my belief that Swang is scum.
My 500 Conquer Club credits vs your 1250 Conquer Club credits are good odds.
- unlessss you know Swang is scum?
- actually they are good odds for me too, because while I don't know for sure that Swang is scum.
I am a whole lot more confident than the odds I am offering would suggest.
I have done my research on the MO of scum.

What is your confidence level that Swang is not scum - I mean really?

Well it seems my double has no idea that we are connected, OR he is a master bullshitter.

At no time have I claimed that I am Town, I said... Town would be worse off without me.. you all put the dots together

I do have an end game goal, but that no way hinders towns goal of finding the scum.

I believe Raz. I think Raz and his double are both 3P, but if one is lynched, the other one wins the game. Raz constantly mentioned that Town would be worse off without him. For now I think we should look somewhere else.

Loose's offer to vote Swang tells me he knows more than what we think. The fact that he did some research might be true, but that does not guarantee that any person will play the game according to the book. I think there is more than that, and he knows for sure that Swang is scum, so we as town should use that info to our benefit.

I really think that Loose has special powers for D2, vote counts 2, smoke bomb and he knows something else we do not know. If we do not use this powers to our benefit, then we might loose it on D3 when his role is back to normal.

swang918 wrote:

PepeAtila wrote:ok. I will think about Loose vs Swang. it is possible none of them are town? Loose is against Swang, but Swang is not against Loose?
On the other hand Pixar is not talking too much 'today'. and something I dont understand about Raz.
I guess I have not more information to share except my feelings about some player.

I am against Loose. I was one of the initiators of the wagon D1 and I was pressing him today and voted him before the smoke bomb. I'm just not adding to the Loose discussion today because he can't be lynched today so it's pointless. Wait til D3, I'm gonna bring the heat.

My case in point - you say initiator on day 1 - I say blending in.
Others have tried to dissuade my input - you say you are not adding to it now - I say blending in.

Swang is starting to perspire - I can sense it.