Conquer Club

qwert wrote:here these map can help you with balkan countries shapes.I think that you have space to improve these.

note-i get PM from Mrbeen to give opinion about balkan countries shapes

edbeard wrote:

hulmey wrote:Also which are the Meditteranean islands, coz its not very clear on your map!

there's a legend on the bottom right of the map. Also, all the islands in the Mediterranean on the map are the Mediterranean Islands.

hulmey wrote:*note , Malta was and never will be a state of Italy!! Could you please make a Meditteranean State or sumthing?

hulmey wrote:Also which are the Meditteranean islands, coz its not very clear on your map!

MrBenn wrote:- I also got rid of a strange shadow that had appeared at the top of the map (that nobody seemed to notice)

Ruben Cassar wrote:Just a thought...you might consider swapping the colours of the Balkans with some other region like Western Europe for example because the colour of the Balkan region is a bit similar to the river next to them.

oaktown wrote:

hulmey wrote:*note , Malta was and never will be a state of Italy!! Could you please make a Meditteranean State or sumthing?

Hmm... it would be a nice twist if Malta were not a part of a region other than the Med. Islands bonus. You could do the same with Cyrpus, as there are plenty of turks who would take offense at the fact that it is a part of Greece. You'd have to add a line to the legend somewhere: "Malta and Cyprus are independent states."

hulmey wrote:Also which are the Meditteranean islands, coz its not very clear on your map!

I think the confusion stems from the fact that in the legend it says "5 Med. islands" when there are in fact seven on the map. I get that what you are trying to do is give a bonus for holding any five of the seven, but this confused me at first as well. Maybe the legend should say "5 of 7 Med. Islands" or the text in the corner needs to spell out how to get the bonus.

MrBenn wrote:- I've added an attack route from England to Netherlands (good suggestion MarVal)

MrBenn wrote:- The colours of Central Europe/Benelux have been swapped

Ruben Cassar wrote:Just a thought...you might consider swapping the colours of the Balkans with some other region like Western Europe for example because the colour of the Balkan region is a bit similar to the river next to them.

hulmey wrote:

oaktown wrote:

hulmey wrote:*note , Malta was and never will be a state of Italy!! Could you please make a Meditteranean State or sumthing?

Hmm... it would be a nice twist if Malta were not a part of a region other than the Med. Islands bonus. You could do the same with Cyrpus, as there are plenty of turks who would take offense at the fact that it is a part of Greece. You'd have to add a line to the legend somewhere: "Malta and Cyprus are independent states."

hulmey wrote:Also which are the Meditteranean islands, coz its not very clear on your map!

I think the confusion stems from the fact that in the legend it says "5 Med. islands" when there are in fact seven on the map. I get that what you are trying to do is give a bonus for holding any five of the seven, but this confused me at first as well. Maybe the legend should say "5 of 7 Med. Islands" or the text in the corner needs to spell out how to get the bonus.

gibraltor as well should be independent of Spain coz its a British Colony. Maybe as oak said you could have a twist or a kit-kat
if you count gibraltor theres 8 meditteran islands!!

AndyDufresne wrote:Hm...Game play. I'm going to jump all around, so forgive me:

When occupying Russia, one can also attack Lithuania and Poland (I.E. "From" Kaliningrad), yes? It's not exactly clear if it is yes, but I'd assume it will be clear in the dropdown menus. If yes, then it also makes the territority Russia somewhat strategic, if only because you can hop past Belarus and Ukraine into Poland with possible slightly quicker expansion into Baltics, Central Europe and beyond.

The attack route between Faroe Islands and Denmark almost seems improbable, due to the seemingly large distance it covers. But I understand it is there to keep Scandinavia from becoming a linear continent.

Transcontinental has 2 borders, Russia and Turkey, yes? With 5 countries, I'd knock this down to a bonus of 3, considering the only two borders I see are also pretty darn strategic themselves (I.E. look at how many places you can attack...5 different bonus continents.

Hellenics look similar to Baltics and Benelux, 3 territories and 3 borders each. Have you made Hellenics a Bonus of 1 due to the role Cyprus and Crete play in the Med. Islands bonus? It seems like it might be worth 2.

Central Europe could perhaps be a 3, if you knock down Transcontinental.

Western Europe looks pretty nice and strong. Take a look at its borders and easy exanpsion possibilities. It has 3 borders, yes? France, Corsica, and Balearics. Now, Western Europe has a wonderful possibility to expand into Sardinia to limit it's borders to 2 for Bonus of 5. It could even expand to Siciliy and keep 2 borders with that 5 bonus. Now consider if you take both Sardinia and Sicily, you basically can grab Malta while your at it because it is a dead end.

Now...what do you have here? Well if you've managed to hold Western Europe (+5), and have managed to capture Sardinia and Sicily and Malta, limiting your borders to 2, you also hold 5 Med. Islands for an additional bonus of +3. In summation, you have 2 borders, for a bonus of +8, with 11 countries (I.E. you'd probably pick up an additional army from random territories around the map). This seems kind of strong, yes?

Possible ways to alleviate this. Make the Crete attack route to Malta rather than Sicily, so you can't use a dead end Malta to grab easy Med. Bonus from Western Europe. This keeps the Italic States still with 3 borders.

You could even consider adding a route between Italy and Sardinia, but that might just be adding too many routes in the general area.

I'm sure there are some other ideas too, I just haven't thought considered them too much.

(Note: I very well could be wrong in my above analysis. I often misread maps while looking at game play, that is why my score is horrible. So if it is all a bunch of bunk, forgive me. I tried at least.)


Regarding Graphics:

Could you improve the route between Scotland and Northern Ireland? Maybe nudge the name a little left so it is clear that the route is not connecting to the Republic of Ireland, and swoop the attack route a little more in the north of Scotland.

Some of the route dots are inconsistent, or appear that way at least. Examples: To the right of Iceland, there seems to be a larger dot at the end of both routes, and the same appears south of Faroe Islands. Perhaps if you make where the route "attaches" to land a slightly larger dot like those, that'd be fine, otherwise make them all small and uniform like the others.


--Andy

hulmey wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:Hm...Game play. I'm going to jump all around, so forgive me:

When occupying Russia, ......
Some of the route dots are inconsistent, or appear that way at least. Examples: To the right of Iceland, there seems to be a larger dot at the end of both routes, and the same appears south of Faroe Islands. Perhaps if you make where the route "attaches" to land a slightly larger dot like those, that'd be fine, otherwise make them all small and uniform like the others.


--Andy

wow, I believe thats the biggest post ive ever seen any make on a map

oaktown wrote:

hulmey wrote:*note , Malta was and never will be a state of Italy!! Could you please make a Meditteranean State or sumthing?

Hmm... it would be a nice twist if Malta were not a part of a region other than the Med. Islands bonus. You could do the same with Cyrpus, as there are plenty of turks who would take offense at the fact that it is a part of Greece. You'd have to add a line to the legend somewhere: "Malta and Cyprus are independent states."

MrBenn wrote:The colours of Central Europe/Benelux have been swapped, and West/Balkans have been made a bit darker. I've looked at a greyscale version, and the different colours are more distinguished/discernable now

Ruben Cassar wrote:Just a thought...you might consider swapping the colours of the Balkans with some other region like Western Europe for example because the colour of the Balkan region is a bit similar to the river next to them.

MrBenn wrote:Liechenstein now has a tiny little line to connect it to its label and army number

MrBenn wrote:

ZeakCytho wrote:I like the gameplay as is, but if you needed to restrict it, you could make other rivers impassable.
My biggest problem with this map by far is the lack of capitalization. Please please please please please capitalize the first letter of each territory.

I like the idea of putting some 'shape' to the micro-states, so I'll have a look at that.
Thinking of rivers, I'm sure somebody mentioned a river between Germany/Poland - that might be enough to help things in the middle - I'll have a look at some more maps...

InkL0sed wrote:Speaking as Grammar Nazi™, I must admit I don't mind the lack of capitalization...

Ordinarily I would be a grammar purist too, although I do like the lowercase look . It's my intention to put up a poll to settle this debate, but I want to get another update or two done first.

oaktown wrote:
Hellenic states troubles me for a few reasons.

1. Most of this map is made up of countries, and even the biggest countries in terms of area aren't split up. Russia and Turkey are huge, yet they aren't split into smaller sub-regions. Heck, even that little part of Russia (which will need some explanation I think) isn't its own territory. So why is Greece split up? And Italy? Because nothing about Crete or Sicily suggests that they are self-governing states. But in terms of gameplay it makes sense to make the islands their own territories... and it's even fun to throw in the islands side bonus - and I love make-your-own-region bonuses. So this is a toss-up.

2. Greece is part of the Balkan Peninsula, so if you're going to name a region "balkans" greece could be a part of that bonus.

3. Cyprus is not a modern Hellenic state, as it isn't ruled by Greece. I guess you could go back in time and say that at some point it was an ancient hellenic possession, but so was much of turkey and italy.

So my suggestion would be to make mainland Greece a part of the Balkans, and make Crete, Cyprus and Malta independent of any bonus other than the Islands bonus.

Another little thing... the line going from Licht to the "lt" looks like an attack route into germany. Perhaps it should be a straight line from the army count to the territory?

Ruben Cassar wrote:Maybe you are not from Europe so you might not be noticing some stuff but none of the groupings are "pure". For example in real life Russia is part of Eastern Europe and Italy is also part of Western Europe. So although Greece is part of the Balkans it doesn't matter because it is impossible to define groupings for the European states as many countries fit in two or even three groupings.

oaktown wrote:
For starters, we could make Kaliningrad its own territory. I know, it's not an independent state, but neither are Gibraltar, Sicily, Crete, Corsica, or the Balearics, so this wouldn't be breaking any rules. Call it Kaliningrad (Rus) if you like. It could be included with the Balitcs, and that region made a +3; or it can remain a part of Transcontinental and keep the bonus as is.