Tobikera wrote:A healer was mentioned in my N1 info from the mod. It's not me, but there is one. So, there's hope for blacky.
And, of course, this throws him into the town grouping.
He also could have been poisoned by misdirection, like a bus driver or some other misdirecting role.
That is, someone else was intended to be poisoned, but that action was re-directed to blacky.
One of the downsides to mis-direction roles, they can sometimes hurt innocent townies.
TBH, this sounds to me like you tried to poison someone but got bussed and the N1 info from the mod revealed that bussed target is going to die if it's not helped by the healer. This doesn't put Blacky in a town group, it puts you into my scum group.
dakky21 wrote:TBH, this sounds to me like you tried to poison someone but got bussed and the N1 info from the mod revealed that bussed target is going to die if it's not helped by the healer. This doesn't put Blacky in a town group, it puts you into my scum group.
Sorry, dakky. You're off base here. I didn't try to poison anyone and I did not get bussed, but I agree this doesn't credit Blacky with being a townie, as I admitted a few posts back. Only if he was intentionally poisoned would he most likely be town. If there was a misdirection, then it's up in the air about his loyalty.
I will quote you one more time (and myself) with underlined parts important
dakky21 wrote:
Tobikera wrote:A healer was mentioned in my N1 info from the mod. It's not me, but there is one. So, there's hope for blacky.
And, of course, this throws him into the town grouping.
He also could have been poisoned by misdirection, like a bus driver or some other misdirecting role.
That is, someone else was intended to be poisoned, but that action was re-directed to blacky.
One of the downsides to mis-direction roles, they can sometimes hurt innocent townies.
Tobikera wrote:
dakky21 wrote:TBH, this sounds to me like you tried to poison someone but got bussed and the N1 info from the mod revealed that bussed target is going to die if it's not helped by the healer. This doesn't put Blacky in a town group, it puts you into my scum group.
Sorry, dakky. You're off base here. I didn't try to poison anyone and I did not get bussed, but I agree this doesn't credit Blacky with being a townie, as I admitted a few posts back. Only if he was intentionally poisoned would he most likely be town. If there was a misdirection, then it's up in the air about his loyalty.
The question there is - how do you know that he was not intentionally poisoned? You could know that ONLY IF you tried to poison someone else but it ended on Blacky.
The other possibility is that you are the bus driver and you bussed someone else's action onto Blacky, but I don't think that happened. From what you wrote I think you tried to poison someone and got bussed.
dakky21 wrote:The other possibility is that you are the bus driver and you bussed someone else's action onto Blacky, but I don't think that happened. From what you wrote I think you tried to poison someone and got bussed.
You're confused, dakky. If I had tried to poison someone, regardless of the outcome, the mod would not comeback and tell me that my target, intentional or misdirected, needed a healer within 24 hours to live. He (they) would simply say nothing, and let me read the N1 results, or tell me I got misdirected, or something else, but there wouldn't be anything about the conditions necessary for blacky to survive. It appears that blacky wasn't told anything by the mod other than he was poisoned and needed help within 24 hours. He assumed he needed to find a doctor or a healer, and I was assuring him, assuming he had a town role (which might not be correct), that a healer was present in the game. Doesn't pay to be a nice guy, I guess.
blacky365 is probably town, I doubt the poisoner is town-sided, so they're some form of scum. If the poisoner is third-party scum then there is a chance blacky365 is also scum, but in this case blacky365 is still very slightly more likely to be town than otherwise (as they are not the poisoner). I don't think arguments relying on bussing are even worth considering when we have no reason to suspect such a role exists yet.
Tobikera's post was highly suspect to me, what are you trying to say by "A healer was mentioned in my N1 info from the mod. It's not me, but there is one."? Trying to look like a role you're not by reiterating the information already provided by blacky365 as if you received it from the mod yourself? Soft-claiming that you're some investigative and know who this healer is? Trying to get said healer to react or claim?
Skoffin: clarification please.
dakky21: did that post actually have a point to it?
Tobikera wrote:You're confused, dakky. If I had tried to poison someone, regardless of the outcome, the mod would not comeback and tell me that my target, intentional or misdirected, needed a healer within 24 hours to live. He (they) would simply say nothing, and let me read the N1 results, or tell me I got misdirected, or something else, but there wouldn't be anything about the conditions necessary for blacky to survive. It appears that blacky wasn't told anything by the mod other than he was poisoned and needed help within 24 hours. He assumed he needed to find a doctor or a healer, and I was assuring him, assuming he had a town role (which might not be correct), that a healer was present in the game. Doesn't pay to be a nice guy, I guess.
In mafia there are days, no hours, so if you got a message about 24 hours then you are connected to the case somehow, either you're the healer, either you poisoned or you bussed.
Tobikera wrote:A healer was mentioned in my N1 info from the mod. It's not me, but there is one. So, there's hope for blacky.
Why would you be told about a healer? It would be so you could get that information into the game. Blacky's message simply said he wouldn't survive the night if he wasn't healed. That doesn't imply a healer must exist. But, if a healer didn't exist, it means we'd be spending the day having a pointless discussion. It makes more sense to me that our discussion does have a point, and it is to help the healer decide whether he's going to help Blacky. I doubt the healer will be part of this discussion.
Is Blacky poisoning the only clue? Skoffin said something about being attacked, but didn't provide enough details to fuel a discussion.
TX AG 90 wrote:dakky, did you get confirmation that someone tried to kill you or are you just assuming.
assuming, I was hidden for the night and no one could find me.
Ragian wrote:@dakky, is your vote on Pika due to the fact that Pika asked what you meant? Is it based on anything else?
My vote on Pika is because he said I am insinuating something and is just repeating what was already said and is accepting that blacky is probably town and doesn't thing that the bussing thing is "even worth considering". Therefore trying to steer the conversation in the way he wants.
dakky21 wrote:My vote on Pika is because he said I am insinuating something and is just repeating what was already said and is accepting that blacky is probably town and doesn't thing that the bussing thing is "even worth considering". Therefore trying to steer the conversation in the way he wants.
What's scummy about pointing out that you were clearly trying to insinuate something but not actually saying anything? What's scummy about believing blacky365 is probably town based off of the evidence we have? What's scummy about disregarding wild speculation based on absolutely no evidence?
Why does any of this, when paired with the lack of a night kill, mean that I must be scum and tried to kill you last night, especially if we already have evidence of at least two others being attacked?
Tobikera wrote:You're confused, dakky. If I had tried to poison someone, regardless of the outcome, the mod would not comeback and tell me that my target, intentional or misdirected, needed a healer within 24 hours to live. He (they) would simply say nothing, and let me read the N1 results, or tell me I got misdirected, or something else, but there wouldn't be anything about the conditions necessary for blacky to survive. It appears that blacky wasn't told anything by the mod other than he was poisoned and needed help within 24 hours. He assumed he needed to find a doctor or a healer, and I was assuring him, assuming he had a town role (which might not be correct), that a healer was present in the game. Doesn't pay to be a nice guy, I guess.
In mafia there are days, no hours, so if you got a message about 24 hours then you are connected to the case somehow, either you're the healer, either you poisoned or you bussed.
I think Tobi was paraphrasing what Blacky said. Blacky never used the term 24 hours, just next night.
dakky21 wrote:
In mafia there are days, no hours, so if you got a message about 24 hours then you are connected to the case somehow, either you're the healer, either you poisoned or you bussed.
I think Tobi was paraphrasing what Blacky said. Blacky never used the term 24 hours, just next night.
Correcto....I didn't go back and look, just worked on my memory that he had a day to live and translated that into 24 hours RT. The rescue dude has to fix him by N2, I presume??
OK, some interesting developments, maybe. Here's a list of players: 1 blacky365
2 dakky21
3 Tobikera
4 jfm10
5 Strike Wolf
6 ZaBeast
7 Skoffin
8 Pikanchion
9 BuJaber
10 chapcrap
11 TX AG 90
12 Ragian
13 pershy - LYNCHED Day 1
14 aage
15 Sirius Kase
16 Metsfanmax
I'm pretty sure I did this correctly. Anyway, the names in BLACK have not commented since D2 began (that could be scummy, or not). The names in red commented in D2, initially, but not after the mod asked if anyone was having trouble posting. Finally, the names in blue have posted continuously during D2.
Let's assume that at least two of those who haven't commented (names in black) during D2 are scum. Based on other games I"ve played, they might not be able to communicate until N2. Perhaps they are licking their wounds wondering what went wrong with the wrong target getting poisoned? Second, perhaps there is something wrong wherein the players in blue above can no longer post? Third, if we are left with the 5 players in red, we are going to get real tired on listening to one another...lol. Let's hope that things return to normal and the "lost" players come back. Other comments or interpretations?
Tobikera wrote:OK, some interesting developments, maybe. Here's a list of players: 1 blacky365
2 dakky21
3 Tobikera
4 jfm10
5 Strike Wolf
6 ZaBeast
7 Skoffin
8 Pikanchion
9 BuJaber
10 chapcrap
11 TX AG 90
12 Ragian
13 pershy - LYNCHED Day 1
14 aage
15 Sirius Kase
16 Metsfanmax
I'm pretty sure I did this correctly. Anyway, the names in BLACK have not commented since D2 began (that could be scummy, or not). The names in red commented in D2, initially, but not after the mod asked if anyone was having trouble posting. Finally, the names in blue have posted continuously during D2.
Let's assume that at least two of those who haven't commented (names in black) during D2 are scum. Based on other games I"ve played, they might not be able to communicate until N2. Perhaps they are licking their wounds wondering what went wrong with the wrong target getting poisoned? Second, perhaps there is something wrong wherein the players in blue above can no longer post? Third, if we are left with the 5 players in red, we are going to get real tired on listening to one another...lol. Let's hope that things return to normal and the "lost" players come back. Other comments or interpretations?
Mets has no active games, but logged on today. What else could he be doing besides lurking here.
Tobikera wrote:OK, some interesting developments, maybe. Here's a list of players: 1 blacky365
2 dakky21
3 Tobikera
4 jfm10
5 Strike Wolf
6 ZaBeast
7 Skoffin
8 Pikanchion
9 BuJaber
10 chapcrap
11 TX AG 90
12 Ragian
13 pershy - LYNCHED Day 1
14 aage
15 Sirius Kase
16 Metsfanmax
I'm pretty sure I did this correctly. Anyway, the names in BLACK have not commented since D2 began (that could be scummy, or not). The names in red commented in D2, initially, but not after the mod asked if anyone was having trouble posting. Finally, the names in blue have posted continuously during D2.
Let's assume that at least two of those who haven't commented (names in black) during D2 are scum. Based on other games I"ve played, they might not be able to communicate until N2. Perhaps they are licking their wounds wondering what went wrong with the wrong target getting poisoned? Second, perhaps there is something wrong wherein the players in blue above can no longer post? Third, if we are left with the 5 players in red, we are going to get real tired on listening to one another...lol. Let's hope that things return to normal and the "lost" players come back. Other comments or interpretations?
I probably should have been red writing but this list is a good idea.
Update:
Red is only for those who have posted AFTER the mod asked if anyone was having a problem posting at the bottom of page 22.
If the blue- and black-typed folks come back and contribute, I think D2 can be over quick....flicks his wrist, the fly breaks the water's surface, and he starts playing the line in ever so slowly.
