Enough Already

[Woodruff]

Great post Jimbo, and outstanding idea, which in itself will kill it with andy and lack. You did however offer something that made me say WTF????? Fitz and woodruff for moderators???? WTF????? Both of these prigs have made it clear how they feel about flaming, and you want them to moderate a forum where flaming would be allowed???? WTF???

Some people are able to put aside their personal feelings about a situation to do a job that needs to be done. Just because I don't personally care for flaming doesn't mean that I wouldn't be able to do the job in such a situation KNOWING GOING IN that mild flaming would be allowed (as he said, free-rein flaming would still not be tolerated). Truth be told, I'm not interested in a moderator position of any sort anywhere, but that's irrelevant to my ability to do so quite well if I should accept such a position. I'm sure AAFitz would just as easily be able to do so.

Thereyago Jimbo, won't it be just grand to have woodruff modding our "mild flaming"? Heh heh

Where precisely do you see the problem with my statements, b.k.?

[Mr Changsha]

Anyone thought of creating a Flame Wars social group? There would be a separate forum for just those who belong to the group. That would probably be the easiest way to get the private forum you are looking for. To top it off, you wouldn't have to worry about moderators.

I suspect the problem with this is that we are all in the end attention whores. We want to be seen! A private user group would descend into an incestuous circle jerk within about two weeks, full of in jokes that will become progressively less amusing by the day. An absolute requirement for a successful CC forum is that the membership at large can read our stuff and, crucially, can join in every once in a while. While apparently 2% (that often quoted figure) use these forums reguarly, how many read the forums...not every day of course, but every once in a while when they are bored at work and The Guardian is having a slow day on Cif? I'm sure many, many more.

*As an example of this: I have three real life friends who never post in the forum. Yet one reads GD most days, one browses and certainly reads if alerted of a hot thread and one, I would admit, rarely comes in for a look. Yet even [player]spoongod[/player] knows all the forum regulars*

It seems that there is an ongoing attempt by the moderators to actually devalue the forum they moderate. Their thinking seems to be that only 2% use these forums, so if forum contributors get permabanned it only effects a small minority of the site at large, therefore it is at most a minor issue for the membership at large. Yet I think their logic is terribly flawed. Dangerously flawed for the well-being of this site. Just because 2% use the forums, doesn't mean that only 2% gain some of their enjoyment from the forums. Why? Because any long-term member must derive at least part of their enjoyment from this site from being part of the CC community. Forum regulars are the visible expression of that community and when we are happy I believe the site as a whole is happier too. I'd love to know what percentage of 'non forum participating' members have come in for a quick read of GD recently and come away with the impression that CC is going down the tubes. Just look at the percentage of negative to positive threads.

Finally, it is WE the forum regulars who in general drive this site forward. It is we who make the maps, we who make the suggestions, we who create the clans, we who find the multis, we who create the lore and we (I think most importantly) who give this site a sense of community. CC has become more than a site to play Risk, it has become a site to live Risk, think Risk and breathe Risk. Yet the administration tell us that if WE don't like the site we can just LEAVE? Just recently I wrote a thread explaining to new players how to attack in Risk. I pm'd comic boy to have him contribute as well. I did this to improve the site as did he. Yet maybe in six months I'll have given this forum up for dead and I won't try and improve the site in my own small (and I would admit fairly insignificant) way. Yet multiply what I contribute to include all of us forum regulars who try and find ways to help this site. Imagine if a sizeable proportion of us say "I can't be bothered anymore". No more suggestions, no more multi hunting, no more great threads, no more good maps, no new clans...The forum regulars make this site what it is.

Amazingly for such a diverse group of people our demands are fairly unified.

We want:

1. Different moderators. There you go I said it. GD need a moderator who understands the mood of this place, is respected, and can keep this place on track not through locking, banning and baiting (and then running away) but actually by leading through real participation. A member who can win their argument with their prose rather than through waving the ban stick around and then hiding behind Andy.

2. A liberal-minded forum. Whatever the mods political persuasion there are a great number of us who like a free-flowing, vaguely anarchic place to read and write. I'd agree that flamewars was on its last legs and probably needed to go (but still be archived...that was absolutely unforgivable) but a large number of your forum regulars want this forum and you need us. See above.

3. A modification to the escalating disciplinary system.

To conclude, at the moment Lack can still rest easy. We are still writing, still trying to make this place better. But a time will come when Fc wanders off, when jiminski realises he talking into thin air and when owen me and the rest of conclude that it just isn't worth the effort. Then we stop writing, stop participating and stop contributing. Forget our 25 dollars... Consider the impact on this site as a long-term propostion.

[notyou2]

Well stated Changsha.

[b.k. barunt]

Hear hear.


Honibaz

[jiminski]

Anyone thought of creating a Flame Wars social group? There would be a separate forum for just those who belong to the group. That would probably be the easiest way to get the private forum you are looking for. To top it off, you wouldn't have to worry about moderators.

I suspect the problem with this is that we are all in the end attention whores. We want to be seen! A private user group would descend into an incestuous circle jerk within about two weeks, full of in jokes that will become progressively less amusing by the day. An absolute requirement for a successful CC forum is that the membership at large can read our stuff and, crucially, can join in every once in a while. While apparently 2% (that often quoted figure) use these forums reguarly, how many read the forums...not every day of course, but every once in a while when they are bored at work and The Guardian is having a slow day on Cif? I'm sure many, many more.

*As an example of this: I have three real life friends who never post in the forum. Yet one reads GD most days, one browses and certainly reads if alerted of a hot thread and one, I would admit, rarely comes in for a look. Yet even [player]spoongod[/player] knows all the forum regulars*

It seems that there is an ongoing attempt by the moderators to actually devalue the forum they moderate. Their thinking seems to be that only 2% use these forums, so if forum contributors get permabanned it only effects a small minority of the site at large, therefore it is at most a minor issue for the membership at large. Yet I think their logic is terribly flawed. Dangerously flawed for the well-being of this site. Just because 2% use the forums, doesn't mean that only 2% gain some of their enjoyment from the forums. Why? Because any long-term member must derive at least part of their enjoyment from this site from being part of the CC community. Forum regulars are the visible expression of that community and when we are happy I believe the site as a whole is happier too. I'd love to know what percentage of 'non forum participating' members have come in for a quick read of GD recently and come away with the impression that CC is going down the tubes. Just look at the percentage of negative to positive threads.

Finally, it is WE the forum regulars who in general drive this site forward. It is we who make the maps, we who make the suggestions, we who create the clans, we who find the multis, we who create the lore and we (I think most importantly) who give this site a sense of community. CC has become more than a site to play Risk, it has become a site to live Risk, think Risk and breathe Risk. Yet the administration tell us that if WE don't like the site we can just LEAVE? Just recently I wrote a thread explaining to new players how to attack in Risk. I pm'd comic boy to have him contribute as well. I did this to improve the site as did he. Yet maybe in six months I'll have given this forum up for dead and I won't try and improve the site in my own small (and I would admit fairly insignificant) way. Yet multiply what I contribute to include all of us forum regulars who try and find ways to help this site. Imagine if a sizeable proportion of us say "I can't be bothered anymore". No more suggestions, no more multi hunting, no more great threads, no more good maps, no new clans...The forum regulars make this site what it is.

Amazingly for such a diverse group of people our demands are fairly unified.

We want:

1. Different moderators. There you go I said it. GD need a moderator who understands the mood of this place, is respected, and can keep this place on track not through locking, banning and baiting (and then running away) but actually by leading through real participation. A member who can win their argument with their prose rather than through waving the ban stick around and then hiding behind Andy.

2. A liberal-minded forum. Whatever the mods political persuasion there are a great number of us who like a free-flowing, vaguely anarchic place to read and write. I'd agree that flamewars was on its last legs and probably needed to go (but still be archived...that was absolutely unforgivable) but a large number of your forum regulars want this forum and you need us. See above.

3. A modification to the escalating disciplinary system.

To conclude, at the moment Lack can still rest easy. We are still writing, still trying to make this place better. But a time will come when Fc wanders off, when jiminski realises he talking into thin air and when owen me and the rest of conclude that it just isn't worth the effort. Then we stop writing, stop participating and stop contributing. Forget our 25 dollars... Consider the impact on this site as a long-term propostion.

well reasoned, well written and guided home with a cohesive thread running through its path! .. and of course i got a mention at the end, so this is pretty much the Mary Poppins of Posts!

[AAFitz]

actually, I believe you were mentioning that you were standing up for what was right, were courageous, and some hero of flame wars wannabes.

If you arent mocking honibaz by including his name then so be it. Im sure theres a good reason then.

Again, I call it like I see it. You call it ass kissing all you want. Perhaps you did miss the times I posted against AK, and the times I posted against wicked...but I dont care. Certainly you didnt see my posts while in the collective, but thats because its none of your business. You can take my word for it, that it wasnt ass kissing, or not.

Whats funny here, is you simply rehashed your entire previous post that I already answered.

Also, youre assuming that somehow that because I have some fun in here, it translates into my real life. First of all, I dont kiss ass to those in charge. I am in charge. I have my own company and always will. Secondly, if you ever saw me deal with people when they are wrong, or making the wrong decision and it wasnt in the interest of my customers, or me, you would see I am the furthest thing from an ass-kisser there is. I have never once held my tongue when fellow companies are making mistakes. I obviously kiss the customers ass, but that is completely different. Im actually the opposite, which is why Im posting here.

I dont post to support those in charge. I support those who I think are right. As I mentioned, I have helped out the occasional mod or two when they were being attacked by bullies, but again... I already admitted that before, and have never denied it.

I do laugh at the analogy of real life and you posting this forum though. I really do. I have fun taking this place seriously once in a while, and its some great fun. But never do I judge the people things say or do here. I just assumed most realized this is all make-believe, and that people like you were just blowing off some steam.

If you truly think you are saving the world by fighting for your noble cause of re-instating flame wars, so you can make fun of 16 and 17 year old kids and mock their signature, than have your fun. I again, suggest maybe you are in the wrong place.

Either way, thanks for the entertainment once again...and good luck with your noble fight. I hope you get the satisfaction out of your crusade that you are looking for.

Also, you like many read the few disgruntled posts, and assume that because there are a few complaints, that all of CC is thinking the same thing.

How you have missed the fact that all of CC is mostly just playing a game, and couldnt possibly care about what the tiny percentage of posters that frequent this forum are talking about never ceases to amaze me. You think all of the CC community is in an uproar about the lack of flame wars, and that some guy named Dancing Mustard got banned? Really?

Ive been here almost 3 years too. I dont even know who dancing mustard is. I dont care who he is, or why he got banned...and Im a fairly active member to say the least. Do you really think the rest of the majority really actually cares. Do you not realize that the majority of members just want to play the game and have some fun. Do you not realize that the vast majority hated flame wars, because they didnt feel like having people just call them whatever they want, and talk trash back and forth incessantly. I mean, in real life, are all the people looking for a fight, and swearing at each other and calling each other some vile forms of genetalia repeatedly. I mean really, even at your biker bars, are you all just swearing at each other all the time...perhaps...but more likely, your group, like most other are just hanging out, trading stories, and having fun. No ones fighting and screaming for the hell of it.

Flame wars was fun, and those who were creative in it were truly creative. I myself enjoyed myself, though I usually did so with less vulgar language than most. Ironically, its cleaner language than I use in real life, because I work in construction, and the usual conversation there is more vulgar and lively than most flame wars conversations ever were. Again, you seem to be assuming that Im some ass kisser in a suit working my way up the ladder, when in fact I have scratched and sweated for every dollar Ive ever made. Ive had help from some great employees and contacts and some great customers to boot, but any success I have had, or ever will have had, will not have come from one peck on the cheek.

It will of course be from a positive attitude, a spirit of teamwork, and certainly the ability to work with other people as efficiently as possible, all while putting in some grueling hours in every weather condition imaginable. But hey, if you need to see me as some pencil pushing ass kisser, than thats fine with me. Youre an icon with a squash on a computer screen to me, so I really dont care in reality what you think. Im simply thankful that I can have fun here, without the need to complain about everything, and pick on people at every opportunity, and never once call them the things that you have called people, all real people, not to mention mostly children in your stay here.

If you think that makes you more honest, so be it.

Damn fitz, i thought my post to you was a bit long - this is a fooking novel. Are you really that carried away with yourself to think that anyone but woodruff would read this paean to diarrhea of the mouth? Sorry man, you keep saying the same old things in the same old way.

What was that about the "mod forum" where you drop your sychophant identity and do battle with the mods? I never heard of any "mod forum", and if there is such a thing, why would they let you on it? You're not a mod - do they just let you come there to do battle with them? Why don't they ask me? I enjoy that kind of thing - you don't. See why i don't believe you half the time?


your fren
Honibaz

You caught me. I made it all up.

I do laugh at the diarrhea of the mouth. Everything in there is in direct response to your posts, which of course ignore all of the counter points I made. But dont worry, I expected nothing less.

I do wish youd explain how your honibaz sig wasnt mocking him though. Perhaps youd have time to comment on that gem of a two year joke that I clearly lack the sense of humor to grasp.

I hope this is fooking short enough.

[notyou2]

Anyone thought of creating a Flame Wars social group? There would be a separate forum for just those who belong to the group. That would probably be the easiest way to get the private forum you are looking for. To top it off, you wouldn't have to worry about moderators.

I suspect the problem with this is that we are all in the end attention whores. We want to be seen! A private user group would descend into an incestuous circle jerk within about two weeks, full of in jokes that will become progressively less amusing by the day. An absolute requirement for a successful CC forum is that the membership at large can read our stuff and, crucially, can join in every once in a while. While apparently 2% (that often quoted figure) use these forums reguarly, how many read the forums...not every day of course, but every once in a while when they are bored at work and The Guardian is having a slow day on Cif? I'm sure many, many more.

*As an example of this: I have three real life friends who never post in the forum. Yet one reads GD most days, one browses and certainly reads if alerted of a hot thread and one, I would admit, rarely comes in for a look. Yet even [player]spoongod[/player] knows all the forum regulars*

It seems that there is an ongoing attempt by the moderators to actually devalue the forum they moderate. Their thinking seems to be that only 2% use these forums, so if forum contributors get permabanned it only effects a small minority of the site at large, therefore it is at most a minor issue for the membership at large. Yet I think their logic is terribly flawed. Dangerously flawed for the well-being of this site. Just because 2% use the forums, doesn't mean that only 2% gain some of their enjoyment from the forums. Why? Because any long-term member must derive at least part of their enjoyment from this site from being part of the CC community. Forum regulars are the visible expression of that community and when we are happy I believe the site as a whole is happier too. I'd love to know what percentage of 'non forum participating' members have come in for a quick read of GD recently and come away with the impression that CC is going down the tubes. Just look at the percentage of negative to positive threads.

Finally, it is WE the forum regulars who in general drive this site forward. It is we who make the maps, we who make the suggestions, we who create the clans, we who find the multis, we who create the lore and we (I think most importantly) who give this site a sense of community. CC has become more than a site to play Risk, it has become a site to live Risk, think Risk and breathe Risk. Yet the administration tell us that if WE don't like the site we can just LEAVE? Just recently I wrote a thread explaining to new players how to attack in Risk. I pm'd comic boy to have him contribute as well. I did this to improve the site as did he. Yet maybe in six months I'll have given this forum up for dead and I won't try and improve the site in my own small (and I would admit fairly insignificant) way. Yet multiply what I contribute to include all of us forum regulars who try and find ways to help this site. Imagine if a sizeable proportion of us say "I can't be bothered anymore". No more suggestions, no more multi hunting, no more great threads, no more good maps, no new clans...The forum regulars make this site what it is.

Amazingly for such a diverse group of people our demands are fairly unified.

We want:

1. Different moderators. There you go I said it. GD need a moderator who understands the mood of this place, is respected, and can keep this place on track not through locking, banning and baiting (and then running away) but actually by leading through real participation. A member who can win their argument with their prose rather than through waving the ban stick around and then hiding behind Andy.

2. A liberal-minded forum. Whatever the mods political persuasion there are a great number of us who like a free-flowing, vaguely anarchic place to read and write. I'd agree that flamewars was on its last legs and probably needed to go (but still be archived...that was absolutely unforgivable) but a large number of your forum regulars want this forum and you need us. See above.

3. A modification to the escalating disciplinary system.

To conclude, at the moment Lack can still rest easy. We are still writing, still trying to make this place better. But a time will come when Fc wanders off, when jiminski realises he talking into thin air and when owen me and the rest of conclude that it just isn't worth the effort. Then we stop writing, stop participating and stop contributing. Forget our 25 dollars... Consider the impact on this site as a long-term propostion.

Can we put this forward as a common statement and front of our ideals and desires? A mission statement?

[God Emperor Q]

amen.

Way to rack up the post count and not contribute anything to the conversation (pay no attention to the fact that i am doing the same thing )

[b.k. barunt]

You caught me. I made it all up.

I do laugh at the diarrhea of the mouth. Everything in there is in direct response to your posts, which of course ignore all of the counter points I made. But dont worry, I expected nothing less.

I do wish youd explain how your honibaz sig wasnt mocking him though. Perhaps youd have time to comment on that gem of a two year joke that I clearly lack the sense of humor to grasp.

I hope this is fooking short enough.

Goddamn fitz, sometimes i feel like i'm indulging a already overindulged kid with you, and you're older than i am. To explain the Honibaz to you would destroy the mystique of the Honibaz, which i dare not do.

I used to like you a little, but as i get more cratchity in my old age, you are becoming more of a self righteous prig. You accuse me of "bullying kids" - wtf? The only "kid" i recall cutting loose on was UCAbears, and that was because he was a boughtback cheater bringing other cheaters to the site. If i'm getting rough with someone and i think they might be a minor, i back off.

There have been a number of times when the mods blatantly abused their powers, and as i've said before, you have always taken their side. Owenshooter backed you up with a PM about the existence of a "mod forum", but i'm inclined to disbelieve that you did anything of value there, based on the persona i see on the forum.


Honibaz

[PLAYER57832]

One of the "problems" is that CC has actively tried to create a user-friendly, user-created even forum. Therefore when people don't get to have their say, or feel they aren't getting heard, there are issues.

Some of this debate is going round and round.

Maybe we need to take those who post frequently or have a big concern here, including admin and come up with a set of guidelines we all think would work well. I think we all accept that admin has to have rules, guidelines and such. Its just that the rules and the way they are enforced is being questioned.

[b.k. barunt]

Have you ever known them to listen to us about any forum related rules? I'm watching them lock half of the threads related to this. The General Stoneham thread was locked because "he's back now so this is a moot point". Nothing was settled, nothing was explained, and one mod had already derailed it saying "can't i have some fun with these whiny threads too?". Nice. So they just arbitrarily lock the thread without even replying to the questions asked. Does this sound like we're dealing with open minded, reasonable individuals?


Honibaz

[Woodruff]

Have you ever known them to listen to us about any forum related rules?

Yes, absolutely. I posted this link the last time you asked this same basic question:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87033

[AAFitz]

You caught me. I made it all up.

I do laugh at the diarrhea of the mouth. Everything in there is in direct response to your posts, which of course ignore all of the counter points I made. But dont worry, I expected nothing less.

I do wish youd explain how your honibaz sig wasnt mocking him though. Perhaps youd have time to comment on that gem of a two year joke that I clearly lack the sense of humor to grasp.

I hope this is fooking short enough.

Goddamn fitz, sometimes i feel like i'm indulging a already overindulged kid with you, and you're older than i am. To explain the Honibaz to you would destroy the mystique of the Honibaz, which i dare not do.

I used to like you a little, but as i get more cratchity in my old age, you are becoming more of a self righteous prig. You accuse me of "bullying kids" - wtf? The only "kid" i recall cutting loose on was UCAbears, and that was because he was a boughtback cheater bringing other cheaters to the site. If i'm getting rough with someone and i think they might be a minor, i back off.

There have been a number of times when the mods blatantly abused their powers, and as i've said before, you have always taken their side. Owenshooter backed you up with a PM about the existence of a "mod forum", but i'm inclined to disbelieve that you did anything of value there, based on the persona i see on the forum.


Honibaz

Well, I never claimed I did anything of value in there. Only that my perspective was that of a player, and I really was often a voice of dissent. Granted, this was when other people were part of team CC. I actually left because I felt I had nothing of value to offer anymore, and really wasnt needed for a long time in my opinion. They were generous for keeping me in there as long as they did. As I said, I really actually do try to be unbiased, and in my unbiased opinion, I had no use for Team CC, so I suggested they delete me.

It was the right decision for me, and for them, and even for the site...but I dont want to be too much of a self-righteous prig. You must get sick of having to write that out at this point.

[Woodruff]

It was the right decision for me, and for them, and even for the site...but I dont want to be too much of a self-righteous prig. You must get sick of having to write that out at this point.

I'm starting to believe that b.k. has a macro for it. <grin>

[b.k. barunt]

You caught me. I made it all up.

I do laugh at the diarrhea of the mouth. Everything in there is in direct response to your posts, which of course ignore all of the counter points I made. But dont worry, I expected nothing less.

I do wish youd explain how your honibaz sig wasnt mocking him though. Perhaps youd have time to comment on that gem of a two year joke that I clearly lack the sense of humor to grasp.

I hope this is fooking short enough.

Goddamn fitz, sometimes i feel like i'm indulging a already overindulged kid with you, and you're older than i am. To explain the Honibaz to you would destroy the mystique of the Honibaz, which i dare not do.

I used to like you a little, but as i get more cratchity in my old age, you are becoming more of a self righteous prig. You accuse me of "bullying kids" - wtf? The only "kid" i recall cutting loose on was UCAbears, and that was because he was a boughtback cheater bringing other cheaters to the site. If i'm getting rough with someone and i think they might be a minor, i back off.

There have been a number of times when the mods blatantly abused their powers, and as i've said before, you have always taken their side. Owenshooter backed you up with a PM about the existence of a "mod forum", but i'm inclined to disbelieve that you did anything of value there, based on the persona i see on the forum.


Honibaz

Well, I never claimed I did anything of value in there.

...but I dont want to be too much of a self-righteous prig. You must get sick of having to write that out at this point.

Someone mentioned to me a "farewell thread" that you made when you resigned. Wanted to be sure everyone knew about how you were a "double agent" or some such, and how much you had helped the site - but of course you "never claimed i did anything of value in there."

Shit. You're gonna give me fooking writer's cramp - phony self-righteous prig.


Honibaz

[AAFitz]

You caught me. I made it all up.

I do laugh at the diarrhea of the mouth. Everything in there is in direct response to your posts, which of course ignore all of the counter points I made. But dont worry, I expected nothing less.

I do wish youd explain how your honibaz sig wasnt mocking him though. Perhaps youd have time to comment on that gem of a two year joke that I clearly lack the sense of humor to grasp.

I hope this is fooking short enough.

Goddamn fitz, sometimes i feel like i'm indulging a already overindulged kid with you, and you're older than i am. To explain the Honibaz to you would destroy the mystique of the Honibaz, which i dare not do.

I used to like you a little, but as i get more cratchity in my old age, you are becoming more of a self righteous prig. You accuse me of "bullying kids" - wtf? The only "kid" i recall cutting loose on was UCAbears, and that was because he was a boughtback cheater bringing other cheaters to the site. If i'm getting rough with someone and i think they might be a minor, i back off.

There have been a number of times when the mods blatantly abused their powers, and as i've said before, you have always taken their side. Owenshooter backed you up with a PM about the existence of a "mod forum", but i'm inclined to disbelieve that you did anything of value there, based on the persona i see on the forum.


Honibaz

Well, I never claimed I did anything of value in there.

...but I dont want to be too much of a self-righteous prig. You must get sick of having to write that out at this point.

Someone mentioned to me a "farewell thread" that you made when you resigned. Wanted to be sure everyone knew about how you were a "double agent" or some such, and how much you had helped the site - but of course you "never claimed i did anything of value in there."

Shit. You're gonna give me fooking writer's cramp - phony self-righteous prig.


Honibaz

Actually, I mentioned that I was no longer necessary in there....whether I was or not isnt for me to say. Youll just have to take my word that it wasnt much of value, and mostly I just read stuff. As far as being a phony...Im always honest. Youre here professing to be standing up for the rights of CC and making it a better place. Now, im not about to say youre a phony self-righteous prig, or get personal in any way, simply because we disagree about how the site is run, because I dont see the point...but I will say, I love the irony.

And it is really more fun to watch you send out the insults, as people just try to argue the points you are trying to make. Its very satisfying as a self righteous prig, I assure you. Unfortunately, it does kind of distract from the actual discussion, but Ill guess thats the point. Responding to the actual discussion points, is a little more tricky than sending out a quick insult I guess. Hoping that the label will somehow justify any counter argument is a lot easier I suppose. Transparent usually, but easier.

[b.k. barunt]

You say i'm a constant complainer, a bully, rude, obnoxious, etc. I say you are a phony and a self righteous prig. Sounds to me like there's insults on both sides, but hey, what do i know? You just took two paragraphs, not to discuss or respond to any point, but to cast aspersions on my character. I however, have a problem with being "insulting". How do you spell I R O N Y ?


Honibaz

[Serbia]

"Irony"

[b.k. barunt]

Exactly.


Honibaz

[AAFitz]

You say i'm a constant complainer, a bully, rude, obnoxious, etc. I say you are a phony and a self righteous prig. Sounds to me like there's insults on both sides, but hey, what do i know? You just took two paragraphs, not to discuss or respond to any point, but to cast aspersions on my character. I however, have a problem with being "insulting". How do you spell I R O N Y ?


Honibaz

I didnt say anything about your character. Im still not saying anything about your character. All Ive ever seen from you, is posts on a little risk site. Not even Im as self-righteous...or as ridiculously ignorant to think posts here necessarily reflect a person's true character. As I said before, its a game, and its a forum on the internet, which is a game, and maybe more of one. My only real point was, if you dont like the game, maybe you are just playing the wrong one, and should move on.

I would like to see a quote of me calling you rude and obnoxious though. Further, I doubt I even called you a constant complainer or a bully. I did you you complain a lot, and that you did bully kids a lot on flame wars...but that is different and as I said, the complaining isnt necessarily even a negative thing...only a symptom that you will never be happy here...or that you just like complaining.

Lets dig up those quotes of me calling you all those names though...Im sure a purely honest poster as you said you were, wouldnt have just made that up. The I RON Y would be great though.

[b.k. barunt]

Ok fitz, you're right. You've never sad anything negative about me, but being the irascible type that i am, i feel the need to assault you nonetheless. Now give it a fooking rest - you're becoming tedious.


Honibaz

[b.k. barunt]

Have you ever known them to listen to us about any forum related rules?

Yes, absolutely. I posted this link the last time you asked this same basic question:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87033

Wtf? And this has to do with? You want me to read the entire thread to find whatever obscure reference might be there? Maybe you should just observe for a while.


Honibaz

[owenshooter]

Have you ever known them to listen to us about any forum related rules?

Yes, absolutely. I posted this link the last time you asked this same basic question:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87033

Wtf? And this has to do with? You want me to read the entire thread to find whatever obscure reference might be there? Maybe you should just observe for a while.

it has to do with the fact that the community within the forums wanted a change in the bigotry guidelines, and we got it. however, as usual, it started off rocky. i received a very nice warning from someone for declaring that being called Nshooter in a thread in bigotry, was racist. apparently, i cry wold about racism, and "they" had had enough. yeah, pm me for that PM, it is still making the rounds and i receive questions about it on a regular basis... anyway, andy jumped into that thread, the admins/mods originally involved that were giving us the typical CC response, vanished. and andy emerged with a new set of guidelines that were used right away and proved effective. say what you want about them "not listening", but andy cares and seems to get it. he isn't twill, but he is inching up there on the respect ladder for me. the fact that he is even engaging the forum regulars/community about changing perma-bans in another thread, speaks volumes about his willingness to try and understand the community (which he is an active member of).-0

[b.k. barunt]

Well you're a lot more easily impressed than i. Andy's open on the permaban thing? Looks like a smoke screen to me - what fooking difference is it if the ban's 6 months instead of permanent? They're still banning people for chickenshit rules that are selectively applied, and they insist on doing it in secret so that we can't readily see how chickenshit they are on a regular basis. To cite your "racism" thread as an example of them listening to us is a rather poor example - wasn't that about making the rules stiffer? I'm sure they're always open to that.


Honibaz

[jiminski]

Well you're a lot more easily impressed than i. Andy's open on the permaban thing? Looks like a smoke screen to me - what fooking difference is it if the ban's 6 months instead of permanent? They're still banning people for chickenshit rules that are selectively applied, and they insist on doing it in secret so that we can't readily see how chickenshit they are on a regular basis. To cite your "racism" thread as an example of them listening to us is a rather poor example - wasn't that about making the rules stiffer? I'm sure they're always open to that.


Honibaz

true enough .. i began the thread with the best of intentions. its conclusion is bitter/sweet and I almost wish i'd not begun it as the escalating scale of fixed punishment seems to have materialised without question on the back of it.. more sneaky tactics!?
anyway, i have lost interest in the forums.

au revoir mon ami. <pokes the moist genitals of a pregnant cuttlefish>