btw there is no god

JJM · Post by **JJM** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:40 pm

neanderpaul 14 wrote:

Admit it there is no way you can deny the proof I just gave you. If you think that hammers are gods then you are truly insane.

Timminz · Post by **Timminz** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:43 pm

JJM wrote:
neanderpaul 14 wrote:
Admit it there is no way you can deny the proof I just gave you. If you think that hammers are gods then you are truly insane.

Speaking of truly insane...

Sorry. Not insane. Just uneducated.

JJM · Post by **JJM** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:52 pm

The atheists are not responding they must be dumbfounded.

Timminz · Post by **Timminz** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:58 pm

JJM wrote:The atheists are not responding they must be dumbfounded.

Dude. You just said that you thought people worship hammers as gods. If anyone is dumbfounded, it's only because they're amazed that anyone could be so stupid.

JJM · Post by **JJM** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:00 pm

Timmins wrote:
JJM wrote:The atheists are not responding they must be dumbfounded.

Dude. You just said that you thought people worship hammers as gods. If anyone is dumbfounded, it's only because they're amazed that anyone could be so stupid.

Well apparently Neanderpaul does.

Timminz · Post by **Timminz** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:02 pm

JJM wrote:
Timmins wrote:
JJM wrote:The atheists are not responding they must be dumbfounded.

Dude. You just said that you thought people worship hammers as gods. If anyone is dumbfounded, it's only because they're amazed that anyone could be so stupid.
Well apparently Neanderpaul does.

No he doesn't. You're an ignoramus.

daddy1gringo · Post by **daddy1gringo** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:03 pm

Timminz wrote:Maybe this is a subject for another thread, but I have never seen any definitive proof of any sort of personified deity. If anyone has some, I would love to see it.

Well that's a fair question, and it may sound strange to you, but I agree with you.

As I said earlier in this thread,

I believe Science and pure logic are inconclusive on this subject. Whether a person decides to believe or not believe, he does so based on something else, then takes the facts and fits them into his own point of view.

Think of it, if God made it inescapably undeniable, what would he get? Millions more people acknowledging his existence and going through some rituals who really didn't want to. Trust me, he's already got more of that than he could ever want. No, I think he left it that if you don't want to believe in him, you don't have to. He's into relationship, not numbers.

It's clear to me at least that there's more to us and the universe than what logic and science can account for. Are you married? Is what you feel for your wife just a product of social norms, herd instinct and reproductive drive? (If you think so, be honest and tell her so, and see if you get any tonight) Do you have children? Is what you feel for them totally explained by biology?

The confusion comes when people mistake a conviction beyond reason with a conviction against reason.

Of course, believing that there is "something more" doesn't necessarily mean that it is the personal God of Judeo-Christian tradition, but it can lead to an honest search for just who or what that "something" is. It is in that honest search that he finds you.

Like I said, he's into relationship, not numbers.

JJM · Post by **JJM** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:03 pm

Timminz wrote:
JJM wrote:
Timmins wrote:
JJM wrote:The atheists are not responding they must be dumbfounded.

Dude. You just said that you thought people worship hammers as gods. If anyone is dumbfounded, it's only because they're amazed that anyone could be so stupid.
Well apparently Neanderpaul does.

No he doesn't. You're an ignoramus.

Then why did that thing say my god is a hammer?

JJM · Post by **JJM** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:06 pm

Oops I read that wrong. Sorry.

JJM · Post by **JJM** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:08 pm

daddy1gringo wrote:
Timminz wrote:Maybe this is a subject for another thread, but I have never seen any definitive proof of any sort of personified deity. If anyone has some, I would love to see it.
Well that's a fair question, and it may sound strange to you, but I agree with you.

As I said earlier in this thread,
I believe Science and pure logic are inconclusive on this subject. Whether a person decides to believe or not believe, he does so based on something else, then takes the facts and fits them into his own point of view.

Think of it, if God made it inescapably undeniable, what would he get? Millions more people acknowledging his existence and going through some rituals who really didn't want to. Trust me, he's already got more of that than he could ever want. No, I think he left it that if you don't want to believe in him, you don't have to. He's into relationship, not numbers.

It's clear to me at least that there's more to us and the universe than what logic and science can account for. Are you married? Is what you feel for your wife just a product of social norms, herd instinct and reproductive drive? (If you think so, be honest and tell her so, and see if you get any tonight) Do you have children? Is what you feel for them totally explained by biology?

The confusion comes when people mistake a conviction beyond reason with a conviction against reason.

Of course, believing that there is "something more" doesn't necessarily mean that it is the personal God of Judeo-Christian tradition, but it can lead to an honest search for just who or what that "something" is. It is in that honest search that he finds you.

Like I said, he's into relationship, not numbers.

JJM wrote:I know that god exists. Historical proof: People seen with there own eyes the miracles of Jesus. Just study the Roman Empire and you will find mention of him. Scientific proof: There has been something found on a mountain in Iran that looks like a ship of some sort. Although there was something about it ( I think it was the age of it ) that causes them to not be able to determine what substance it is made out of but it does fit the measurements of Noah's ark as described in the Bible. There have been claim fossils found on mountains too. They must have been put there by a flood.

Add those togehter and you have absolute proof.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:12 pm

Not so and you are an ignoranus.

daddy1gringo · Post by **daddy1gringo** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:21 pm

Timminz wrote:Don't get me wrong. I have no problem believing that there is a "power" greater than we can fully comprehend. The problem I have (well, one of them) is the whole "my accepted version of the higher power is the only one possible". I don't really understand how someone can believe in a higher power, and can still possibly think that they can fully understand it. Also, the concept of the personified deity.

Dagnabbit, I agree with you again. You should see all the things we disagree about on the Jesus Freaks forum. We all hold to certain fundamentals, and the rest we just take our best guess. If you don't buy my concept of creation, don't. Lots of Christians who I agree with on the important stuff don't either. If you can't buy my concept of the relationship between predestination and our responsibility for our actions, then don't. The only ones I see insisting we need to understand that fully are the ones who don't want to believe it at all.

As far as "personified" well that term kind of begs the question of whether God created us or we created him. I prefer to think that he is not an anthropomorphic god; we are "theo-morphic" people.

daddy1gringo · Post by **daddy1gringo** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:23 pm

JJM wrote: Add those togehter and you have absolute proof.

There, see, JJM and I agree that God exists, but we disagree on whether there is absolute proof.

SultanOfSurreal · Post by **SultanOfSurreal** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:37 pm

JJM wrote: Scientific proof: There has been something found on a mountain in Iran that looks like a ship of some sort.

holy shit i'm convinced

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:40 pm

Holy ship Jim, me too.

daddy1gringo · Post by **daddy1gringo** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:45 pm

Timminz, tell me you're still out there. This had the potential of turning into an intelligent and productive discussion.

neanderpaul14 · Post by **neanderpaul14** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:50 pm

Timminz wrote:
JJM wrote:The atheists are not responding they must be dumbfounded.

Dude. You just said that you thought people worship hammers as gods. If anyone is dumbfounded, it's only because they're amazed that anyone could be so stupid.

Stick around he gets stupider as threads continue.

Gregrios · Post by **Gregrios** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:52 pm

Timminz wrote:
Gregrios wrote:
Timminz wrote:Maybe this is a subject for another thread, but I have never seen any definitive proof of any sort of personified deity. If anyone has some, I would love to see it.

At the present time all we got for proof is the Bible itself. But if you don't believe the Bible to be legit then I guess you'll just have to wait and see.

Is that a "No, but..."?

For me it's a yes but for others it's a no. It's all a matter of perspective. :ugeek:

jonesthecurl · Post by **jonesthecurl** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:34 pm

JJM wrote:I know that god exists. Historical proof: People seen with there own eyes the miracles of Jesus. Just study the Roman Empire and you will find mention of him. Scientific proof: There has been something found on a mountain in Iran that looks like a ship of some sort. Although there was something about it ( I think it was the age of it ) that causes them to not be able to determine what substance it is made out of but it does fit the measurements of Noah's ark as described in the Bible. There have been claim fossils found on mountains too. They must have been put there by a flood.

First: please point me at official Roman Empire records of Jesus.
Please. Any mention of his birth, life, or death from official sources or writers or anything from that time that mentions him.
Second: location? Photos?
Third: Or the mountains moved. that's what they do when tectonic plates collide. I found mussel(or something similar) fossils in Evesham, about as far from the sea as you can get in England. It must have been under water millions of years ago. What a surprise.

neanderpaul14 · Post by **neanderpaul14** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:01 am

JJM wrote:
Timmins wrote:
JJM wrote:The atheists are not responding they must be dumbfounded.

Dude. You just said that you thought people worship hammers as gods. If anyone is dumbfounded, it's only because they're amazed that anyone could be so stupid.
Well apparently Neanderpaul does.

Well JJM you have finally uncovered the truth that we have sought to keep hidden over thousands of years. The Hammerians,or Hammer Worshipers walk among you. Countless years ago our brethren split from the Masons over questions of worship. On any given Sunday while millions of mindless sheep plod into churches worldwide the true believers go to Home Depot, Lowes, or thousands of smaller hardware stores throughout the planet and practice the only true form of worship, that of the Mighty and Ever Holy Hammer. We can be found in the hand tool section on these days, and on truly Holy occasions or on Feast Days we will be found in the Sledgehammer section. Recently some radical sects have begun worshiping jackhammers, all of these offshoots are blasphemers and must be stopped at all costs.

Congratulations on your discovery. For your diligence and insight you have been targeted for termination, beware we are everywhere, anyone you see with a hammer may be one of us. The assassin could be that friendly carpenter who comes to fix your front door, or it may be the roofer shingling your roof, perhaps even a landscaper installing that front walk. It could be anyone with a hammer. Remember with enough determination even a rubber mallet may be deadly.

sailorseal · Post by **sailorseal** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:04 am

SultanOfSurreal wrote:just wanted to make sure we were all clear on this

Thanks for alerting me

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:50 am

jonesthecurl wrote:
JJM wrote:I know that god exists. Historical proof: People seen with there own eyes the miracles of Jesus. Just study the Roman Empire and you will find mention of him. Scientific proof: There has been something found on a mountain in Iran that looks like a ship of some sort. Although there was something about it ( I think it was the age of it ) that causes them to not be able to determine what substance it is made out of but it does fit the measurements of Noah's ark as described in the Bible. There have been claim fossils found on mountains too. They must have been put there by a flood.

First: please point me at official Roman Empire records of Jesus.
Please. Any mention of his birth, life, or death from official sources or writers or anything from that time that mentions him.

Actually Josephus mentioned Him.

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:52 am

mpjh wrote:Not so and you are an ignoranus.

Note to self: Do not misspell ignoramus if you are going to call someone one, as you will appear really really stoopit.

Honibaz

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:53 am

neanderpaul14 wrote:The Hammerians,or Hammer Worshipers walk among you.

That's supposed to be news?!! We've known about you guys since the late 80s:

SultanOfSurreal · Post by **SultanOfSurreal** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:04 am

b.k. barunt wrote:Actually Josephus mentioned Him.

the authenticity of that document is questionable, at best.

however i do believe there was a man named jesus who we ascribe the christ story to. of course the story is patently untrue and 2,000 years of retellings hasn't helped it, but jesus the man probably existed. there is as much evidence for his existence as there is for any run-of-the-mill roman citizen/religious kook from back then and i see no reason to believe that a completely fabricated human somehow drew a cult following in the years before christianity became the state religion

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