Conquer Club

owenshooter wrote:sigh... why, oh why are you trying to use logic and a sound argument to sway others? you should know this does not work!! who cares if you are 100% correct, they will just keep posting and your post will vanish onto an old page.. sigh...-0

Because always being right (and I am *** ALWAYS *** right) gives me a warm, tingly feeling inside.

; )

KLOBBER wrote:

owenshooter wrote:sigh... why, oh why are you trying to use logic and a sound argument to sway others? you should know this does not work!! who cares if you are 100% correct, they will just keep posting and your post will vanish onto an old page.. sigh...-0

Because always being right (and I am *** ALWAYS *** right) gives me a warm, tingly feeling inside.

; )

that was to Incandenza, not you!!! but you are right too!!! now get on AIM, i was trying to chat you up about this insane thread.-0

jako wrote:

zimmah wrote:

Incandenza wrote:

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:as long as players dont give me shit, I have no problem with them or problem giving them a good rating.

Sounds reasonable to me.

but it is not. even the moderators say so.

actually only 1 have agreed with ur way of thinking. shes not the boss though she likes to think so.

personally, i give out 5s because there was no abuse or bad sportsmanship. in a sports game, ur either sportsman-like or not, there is no ur half sportsman-like or shit.

nope, even lack himselfs (the inventor of this system right?) sais the system is created to hand out 3's as average. so anyone handing out 5's as a standard is therefore abusing the system.

zimmah wrote:nope, even lack himselfs (the inventor of this system right?) sais the system is created to hand out 3's as average. so anyone handing out 5's as a standard is therefore abusing the system.

Oh, jeez!

This Zimmah person has absolutely no grasp of reason or logic.

Dude, none of the people I've played since the new rating system was enacted was "average" in any way. They all warranted 5's in each category, and so I gave them all 5's. That is not abuse, it is fair rating.

Subject closed.

KLOBBER wrote:
(Not to get too off-topic, but I sure would like to EDIT BY : WACICHA, WAS NOT Needed in this Forum )

don't insult my girlfriend, or must i remember you that it's forbidden to flame on someone personally? besides, i don't even know you, i didn't do anyting wrong to you or to anyone else here. i'm only trying to make this fucked up system work, and i'm trying to make you all realise that you f*ck up the system by handing out random stars. the rating is more random then the dice, come on, what's the use of the ratings now? nothing! and you all flame me for it? get real man. instead of mindlessly flaming me and my gf (who has nothing to do with this) you'd better read what i'm saying and understand what i'm trying to say, instead of picking on me for trying to do good.

KLOBBER wrote:

zimmah wrote:nope, even lack himselfs (the inventor of this system right?) sais the system is created to hand out 3's as average. so anyone handing out 5's as a standard is therefore abusing the system.

Oh, jeez!

This Zimmah person has absolutely no grasp of reason or logic.

no, you're the one who can't think logically. how the hell do you think a rating system would be anywhere near accurate if everyone just hands out random numbers?

zimmah wrote:

jako wrote:

zimmah wrote:

Incandenza wrote:

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:as long as players dont give me shit, I have no problem with them or problem giving them a good rating.

Sounds reasonable to me.

but it is not. even the moderators say so.

actually only 1 have agreed with ur way of thinking. shes not the boss though she likes to think so.

personally, i give out 5s because there was no abuse or bad sportsmanship. in a sports game, ur either sportsman-like or not, there is no ur half sportsman-like or shit.

nope, even lack himselfs (the inventor of this system right?) sais the system is created to hand out 3's as average. so anyone handing out 5's as a standard is therefore abusing the system.

I believe the point that is being made is that anyone who just blankets with 3s is no less an abuser of the system, they've just chosen a different number to give everyone. In your eyes it's a safer number and likely more accurate more often but that doesn't justify the means.

More to the point, I applaud you on your JR impersonation. CC needs more witch hunts. Godspeed.

Incandenza wrote:

zimmah wrote:

DTT wrote:One more thing in regards to all 5's. Since this is a new system, it is quite possible that people, like me, have gone through the recently finished tab and 5ed up players that they play lots of games with and enjoy playing games with. 3,4,5 what's the difference?

actually the difference is everything between a normal player and a fucking brilliant one, however due to mass abuse, there is no way you can tell whether a player is good or bad. congratiolations.

The funny thing is that there are these little icons next to a players name that, in fact, do a halfway decent job of letting you know if the player is good or bad. They're called ranks. Perfect system? No, but not a bad one.

Ratings are for behavior. Ranks are for skill. Two flawed but generally useful systems. Boy, seems really simple, I don't understand why this really basic concept is so hard to grasp.

because the ratings aren't usefull. the moderaters invented this system so they didn't have to moderate it anymore. but now they left us with total bullshit because now the rating is just nothing more than a random star generator.

zimmah wrote:i'm only trying to make this fucked up system work, and i'm trying to make you all realise that you f*ck up the system by handing out random stars.

That sounds like a worthy cause. It's too bad the methods you're trying don't seem to be swaying anyone. I recommend trying something other than spamming every thread (even some that didn't have anything to do with the rating system).

zimmah wrote:

KLOBBER wrote:
(Not to get too off-topic, but I sure would like to see the bitch in Zimmah's profile pic on "all 4's!" She is one sweet little bitch!)

don't insult my girlfriend, or must i remember you that it's forbidden to flame on someone personally? besides, i don't even know you, i didn't do anyting wrong to you or to anyone else here. i'm only trying to make this fucked up system work, and i'm trying to make you all realise that you f*ck up the system by handing out random stars. the rating is more random then the dice, come on, what's the use of the ratings now? nothing! and you all flame me for it? get real man. instead of mindlessly flaming me and my gf (who has nothing to do with this) you'd better read what i'm saying and understand what i'm trying to say, instead of picking on me for trying to do good.

Dude, I didn't insult her. That was a compliment!

Also, there is nothing "random" about "all 5's!" That is a definite, predictable, 100% non-random, non changing pattern!

Do you even know what the words you use mean?

zimmah wrote: the rating is just nothing more than a random star generator.

Sure. In the first 3 days. Eventually it'll average out, and will be a decent system for the most part. Granted, the average will probably not be 3, but more likely 4, or so. But once it's had some time to gather more ratings, you will be able to use it to gauge how someone is compared to the average, whatever that may work out to be.

Timminz wrote:

zimmah wrote: the rating is just nothing more than a random star generator.

Sure. In the first 3 days. Eventually it'll average out, and will be a decent system for the most part. Granted, the average will probably not be 3, but more likely 4, or so. But once it's had some time to gather more ratings, you will be able to use it to gauge how someone is compared to the average, whatever that may work out to be.

And everyone will average between 3 and 4.5 and it will be of no use to anyone.

zimmah wrote:

KLOBBER wrote:

zimmah wrote:nope, even lack himselfs (the inventor of this system right?) sais the system is created to hand out 3's as average. so anyone handing out 5's as a standard is therefore abusing the system.

Oh, jeez!

This Zimmah person has absolutely no grasp of reason or logic.

no, you're the one who can't think logically. how the hell do you think a rating system would be anywhere near accurate if everyone just hands out random numbers?

Dude, you're insane! All 1's and all 5's are by no means "random!" Those are 100% non-random ratings, achieved by design, not by "randomness!"

WTF???

KLOBBER wrote:

zimmah wrote:

KLOBBER wrote:
(Not to get too off-topic, but I sure would like to see the bitch in Zimmah's profile pic on "all 4's!" She is one sweet little bitch!)

don't insult my girlfriend, or must i remember you that it's forbidden to flame on someone personally? besides, i don't even know you, i didn't do anyting wrong to you or to anyone else here. i'm only trying to make this fucked up system work, and i'm trying to make you all realise that you f*ck up the system by handing out random stars. the rating is more random then the dice, come on, what's the use of the ratings now? nothing! and you all flame me for it? get real man. instead of mindlessly flaming me and my gf (who has nothing to do with this) you'd better read what i'm saying and understand what i'm trying to say, instead of picking on me for trying to do good.

Dude, I didn't insult her. That was a compliment!

Also, there is nothing "random" about "all 5's!" That is a definite, predictable, 100% non-random, non changing pattern!

Do you even know what the words you use mean?

Well let me be the first to suggest that you never "compliment" my wife, at least if I'm close enough by to beat the crap out of you.

Listen, I'm obviously all for slinging the crap, but there's certain stuff that just doesn't fly and that comment would certainly qualify.

KLOBBER wrote:Give me as much as one single, solitary VALID reason not to rate anyone with all 5's, and I will accept it and never rate with all 5's again. Thus far, you have offered no valid reasons, just your personal rating preferences. Those preferences are fine for you; you are free to rate how you like, as I am free to rate as I like.

I mean, really, just who do you think you are to attempt to dictate to everyone on the site how they should or should not rate? You're not even a mod!

The fact is that everything you've posted in this thread boils down to your own personal opinion, not anything based on logic, science, or fact.

if you just hand out all 5's to anyone, the rating system will be so full off 5's that even the most annoying deadbeaters and cheaters won't be visible in the ratings. there will be no way to tell if someone is a good or a bad player (i'm not talking about skill!) and also they want to implement some system where you can block lower rated persons from your games, how will this ever work if everyone has a rating of at least 4.5 stars, even if someone is a deadbeater, cheater, or curses in chat or is even being rasistic or whatever. i think that's reason enough not to just hand out random stars to everyone. and also, as the rating says, 5 stars = excellent. now how the f*ck can everyone you rate be excellent? do you even know the definition of the word excellent?

Dictionary:
excellent
(ĕk'sə-lənt) pronunciation

adj.

1. Of the highest or finest quality; exceptionally good of its kind.
2. Archaic. Superior.
http://www.answers.com/topic/excellent

now given this fact, how the hell can 90% of the comminty be excellent?

there you got your answer! and this is not a personal opinion, it's FACTS.

5 stars = excellent => Superior. => since not everyone can ever be superior, means not everyone could get 5 stars. simple as that

detlef wrote:Well let me be the first to suggest that you never "compliment" my wife, at least if I'm close enough by to beat the crap out of you.

You could never get close enough for that.

Incandenza wrote:The funny thing is that there are these little icons next to a players name that, in fact, do a halfway decent job of letting you know if the player is good or bad. They're called ranks. Perfect system? No, but not a bad one.

Ratings are for behavior. Ranks are for skill. Two flawed but generally useful systems. Boy, seems really simple, I don't understand why this really basic concept is so hard to grasp.

You know that's not true... I'm a lieutenant, you're a colonel.. we both know I'm better than you...

detlef wrote:

KLOBBER wrote:

zimmah wrote:

KLOBBER wrote:
(Not to get too off-topic, but I sure would like to see the bitch in Zimmah's profile pic on "all 4's!" She is one sweet little bitch!)

don't insult my girlfriend, or must i remember you that it's forbidden to flame on someone personally? besides, i don't even know you, i didn't do anyting wrong to you or to anyone else here. i'm only trying to make this fucked up system work, and i'm trying to make you all realise that you f*ck up the system by handing out random stars. the rating is more random then the dice, come on, what's the use of the ratings now? nothing! and you all flame me for it? get real man. instead of mindlessly flaming me and my gf (who has nothing to do with this) you'd better read what i'm saying and understand what i'm trying to say, instead of picking on me for trying to do good.

Dude, I didn't insult her. That was a compliment!

Also, there is nothing "random" about "all 5's!" That is a definite, predictable, 100% non-random, non changing pattern!

Do you even know what the words you use mean?

Well let me be the first to suggest that you never "compliment" my wife, at least if I'm close enough by to beat the crap out of you.

Listen, I'm obviously all for slinging the crap, but there's certain stuff that just doesn't fly and that comment would certainly qualify.

either way don't talk about my gf, she's nothing to do with this and it's just plain rude to talk about her here. and it's against the rules too (fact, not made up)

zimmah wrote:

KLOBBER wrote:Give me as much as one single, solitary VALID reason not to rate anyone with all 5's, and I will accept it and never rate with all 5's again. Thus far, you have offered no valid reasons, just your personal rating preferences. Those preferences are fine for you; you are free to rate how you like, as I am free to rate as I like.

I mean, really, just who do you think you are to attempt to dictate to everyone on the site how they should or should not rate? You're not even a mod!

The fact is that everything you've posted in this thread boils down to your own personal opinion, not anything based on logic, science, or fact.

if you just hand out all 5's to anyone, the rating system will be so full off 5's that even the most annoying deadbeaters and cheaters won't be visible in the ratings. there will be no way to tell if someone is a good or a bad player (i'm not talking about skill!) and also they want to implement some system where you can block lower rated persons from your games, how will this ever work if everyone has a rating of at least 4.5 stars, even if someone is a deadbeater, cheater, or curses in chat or is even being rasistic or whatever. i think that's reason enough not to just hand out random stars to everyone. and also, as the rating says, 5 stars = excellent. now how the f*ck can everyone you rate be excellent? do you even know the definition of the word excellent?

Dictionary:
excellent
(ĕk'sə-lənt) pronunciation

adj.

1. Of the highest or finest quality; exceptionally good of its kind.
2. Archaic. Superior.
http://www.answers.com/topic/excellent

now given this fact, how the hell can 90% of the comminty be excellent?

there you got your answer! and this is not a personal opinion, it's FACTS.

5 stars = excellent => Superior. => since not everyone can ever be superior, means not everyone could get 5 stars. simple as that

Exactly, the binary nature of the previous system allowed for MUCH better At-A-Glance assessment. It would be better if there were two ratings : GAMEPLAY and SPORTSMANSHIP (or GAMESMANSHIP) At least then the true fektards would rise (or rather sink). There's still no rational for the ratings, but since we are being forced to submit...

Timminz wrote:

zimmah wrote: the rating is just nothing more than a random star generator.

Sure. In the first 3 days. Eventually it'll average out, and will be a decent system for the most part. Granted, the average will probably not be 3, but more likely 4, or so. But once it's had some time to gather more ratings, you will be able to use it to gauge how someone is compared to the average, whatever that may work out to be.

yes that's exactly the point, everyone will have 4's or 5's or something in between (4.5/4.3/4.6, whatever) and there will be no way to tell if someone is any good or not. so hurray we're all excellent and noone is 'average' (wow CC has a godlike community then if we're all that good ) and the whole rating system is nothing more then a bunch of people with 4.5 stars or so, and it does nothing more then showing *4.5 because the numbers don't have any meaning at all, since averone has pretty much the same rating. hmmm what a waste of time.. you can't even read a comment with that.

KLOBBER wrote:

detlef wrote:Well let me be the first to suggest that you never "compliment" my wife, at least if I'm close enough by to beat the crap out of you.

You could never get close enough for that.

Somehow I'm not having much trouble picturing you as the type of person to insult someone's wife or GF and run away. Thanks for making that image clearer.

Seriously, you don't say that sort of shit. Secondly, you don't come back with some douchy assed crap like you just did when somebody calls you on it. You're freaking pathetic.

Oh, and how fast can you run? BTW, I don't need to remind you that your big strong avitar won't be there to save you.

ABSOLUTE_MASTER wrote:

Incandenza wrote:The funny thing is that there are these little icons next to a players name that, in fact, do a halfway decent job of letting you know if the player is good or bad. They're called ranks. Perfect system? No, but not a bad one.

Ratings are for behavior. Ranks are for skill. Two flawed but generally useful systems. Boy, seems really simple, I don't understand why this really basic concept is so hard to grasp.

You know that's not true... I'm a lieutenant, you're a colonel.. we both know I'm better than you...

I'm so giving you 1 ratings the next time we play.

zimmah wrote:now given this fact, how the hell can 90% of the comminty be excellent?
there you got your answer! and this is not a personal opinion, it's FACTS.

yet another made up percentage... i love when you do that... show me how you got 90%... please...-0

p.s.-girlfriend or wife comments are out of line. but, zimmah, everyone on this site that has a hot chick avatar is generally the person in the avatar pic. *SNICKER*

*edit-i spelled "please" incorrectly... you all know i'm a spelling nazi*

owenshooter wrote:

zimmah wrote:now given this fact, how the hell can 90% of the comminty be excellent?
there you got your answer! and this is not a personal opinion, it's FACTS.

yet another made up percentage... i love when you do that... show me how you got 90%... pleae...-0

p.s.-girlfriend or wife comments are out of line. but, zimmah, everyone on this site that has a hot chick avatar is generally the person in the avatar pic. *SNICKER*

Owen, will you be satisfied when a few weeks from now the vast majority of people's ratings are in the mid 4s?

detlef wrote:Owen, will you be satisfied when a few weeks from now the vast majority of people's ratings are in the mid 4s?

i had perfect feedback and never left anyone a negative. that should say enough.-0