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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:30 pm
by oaktown
welcome - again, lovely graphics.
Quick concern: not everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:34 pm
by Kaplowitz
Maybe make Paris its own little territory?
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:36 pm
by Ruben Cassar
oaktown wrote:welcome - again, lovely graphics.
Quick concern: not everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.
Isn't the fleur-de-lys symbol enough to understand that? It looks pretty straightforward to me compared to some of the more complicated maps which I cannot understand even after looking for 5 minutes at the legend!
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:38 pm
by InkL0sed
Ruben Cassar wrote:oaktown wrote:welcome - again, lovely graphics.
Quick concern: not everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.
Isn't the fleur-de-lys symbol enough to understand that? It looks pretty straightforward to me compared to some of the more complicated maps which I cannot understand even after looking for 5 minutes at the legend!
Unfortunately... no, many Americans won't equate the two at all.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:47 am
by pamoa
oaktownnot everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.
KaplowitzMaybe make Paris its own little territory?
Ruben CassarIsn't the fleur-de-lys symbol enough to understand that? It looks pretty straightforward to me compared to some of the more complicated maps which I cannot understand even after looking for 5 minutes at the legend!
InkL0sedUnfortunately... no, many Americans won't equate the two at all.
What if I change the name Isle-de-France with Paris. I loose some flavour but gain some straightforwardness!
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:49 am
by Ruben Cassar
pamoa wrote:oaktownnot everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.
KaplowitzMaybe make Paris its own little territory?
Ruben CassarIsn't the fleur-de-lys symbol enough to understand that? It looks pretty straightforward to me compared to some of the more complicated maps which I cannot understand even after looking for 5 minutes at the legend!
InkL0sedUnfortunately... no, many Americans won't equate the two at all.
What if I change the name Isle-de-France with Paris. I loose some flavour but gain some straightforwardness!
Alternatively you can say in the legend that Paris is the capital of Ile de France. This way you don't lose the "flavour".
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:28 am
by bryguy
congratz on main foundry
edit: now to comment
1) The river annoys me right now as is, could u change it?
2) You can hardly tell the venaissin belings where it does, cause it doesnt even touch its territ
3) Same for Foix
4) And maybe Nice
5) And could u make Roussillon and Corse (or is it Gorse?) touch there territs?
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:35 am
by nagerous
It would be nice to throw in more gimmicks, cairns style. At the moment the map doesn't seem that appealing to play, just because it is so similar to the current France map. If it's going to be set in the 1789. maybe add a few more tricks within the map, to make it more exciting and playable, as otherwise people will just stick to playing the classic France map.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:40 am
by Ruben Cassar
nagerous wrote:It would be nice to throw in more gimmicks, cairns style. At the moment the map doesn't seem that appealing to play, just because it is so similar to the current France map. If it's going to be set in the 1789. maybe add a few more tricks within the map, to make it more exciting and playable, as otherwise people will just stick to playing the classic France map.
I totally disagree with this. The gameplay is interesting enough as it is. No need to make every map super complicated, we already have a bunch of those waiting to get quenched. Besides there is already the capital bonus, something that is not available in the other France map.
Apart from that the structure of the regions and territories makes the strategy on this one totally different from the other France map.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:47 am
by nagerous
Ruben Cassar wrote:nagerous wrote:It would be nice to throw in more gimmicks, cairns style. At the moment the map doesn't seem that appealing to play, just because it is so similar to the current France map. If it's going to be set in the 1789. maybe add a few more tricks within the map, to make it more exciting and playable, as otherwise people will just stick to playing the classic France map.
I totally disagree with this. The gameplay is interesting enough as it is. No need to make every map super complicated, we already have a bunch of those waiting to get quenched. Besides there is already the capital bonus, something that is not available in the other France map.
Apart from that the structure of the regions and territories makes the strategy on this one totally different from the other France map.
Fair call, I'm not against the map. I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:57 am
by pamoa
nagerous wrote:... I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play.
What kind of tricks ?
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:07 am
by pamoa
bryguy wrote:1) The river annoys me right now as is, could u change it?
2) You can hardly tell the venaissin belings where it does, cause it doesnt even touch its territ
3) Same for Foix
4) And maybe Nice
5) And could u make Roussillon and Corse (or is it Gorse?) touch there territs?
What does bother you with rivers? Consider that I wanted the map to geographically correct so rivers are sometimes impassable borders and sometimes crossable by a bridge or being at the center of a territory. Then they should flow until sea and for me they are part of the graphical definition of the map as i removed any other background.
About the names touching the borders I'm really not sure about that, it will "blur" the borders. It's a pretty common way to put names on a map, putting then on the side of the object designated as I can not put them inside. And drawing a line or an arrow are absolutely contradictory with kind or graphic theme I'm trying to devellop.
But I'll keep in mind your remark and if they are other like this i'll try to find a solution.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:09 am
by nagerous
pamoa wrote:nagerous wrote:... I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play.
What kind of tricks ?
Well its up to you how it will affect gameplay but stuff like one way attacks, links from area to area via a shipping line, bonuses for holding castles that kinda malarky.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:00 am
by pamoa
nagerous wrote:pamoa wrote:nagerous wrote:... I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play.
What kind of tricks ?
Well its up to you how it will affect gameplay but stuff like one way attacks, links from area to area via a shipping line, bonuses for holding castles that kinda malarky.
I'll think about it
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:06 pm
by ZeakCytho
Please don't put any tricks/gimicks into this map. It's great as it is now.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:32 am
by Ruben Cassar
ZeakCytho wrote:Please don't put any tricks/gimicks into this map. It's great as it is now.
I agree. Just the capital starting as neutral is enough for this one.
Besides just looking at the latest bunch of 5 or 6 new maps to get quenched I realised that not even one of them has classic gameplay so we need some new maps to cater for this area as well.
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:58 am
by pamoa
nagerous wrote:It would be nice to throw in more gimmicks, cairns style. At the moment the map doesn't seem that appealing to play, just because it is so similar to the current France map. If it's going to be set in the 1789. maybe add a few more tricks within the map, to make it more exciting and playable, as otherwise people will just stick to playing the classic France map.
I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play.
stuff like one way attacks, links from area to area via a shipping line, bonuses for holding castles that kinda malarky.
Ruben Cassar wrote:ZeakCytho wrote:Please don't put any tricks/gimicks into this map. It's great as it is now.
I agree. Just the capital starting as neutral is enough for this one. Besides just looking at the latest bunch of 5 or 6 new maps to get quenched I realised that not even one of them has classic gameplay so we need some new maps to cater for this area as well.
2 to 1 in the game tricks or not issue, I'll wait to see how it goes!
Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:48 pm
by Ruben Cassar
pamoa wrote:2 to 1 in the game tricks or not issue, I'll wait to see how it goes!
I don't think it should boil down to that. These things are something a map maker decides and defines at the start when he is planning a map without making major changes in this department as the map develops.
VACATION UNTIL JUNE 15
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:14 pm
by pamoa
As map editor I will be on vacation until june 15
Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:39 pm
by TaCktiX
Keep with the classic gameplay. A mere difference in impassables and a capital bonus are enough to gameplay-wise distinguish this map from the present France. As Ruben has said, we need to deliver some classic maps to the masses after our last glut of complex maps.
Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:42 am
by gimil
TaCktiX wrote:Keep with the classic gameplay. A mere difference in impassables and a capital bonus are enough to gameplay-wise distinguish this map from the present France. As Ruben has said, we need to deliver some classic maps to the masses after our last glut of complex maps.
No we dont, if people want classic maps they should come in and make them
If we are here to produce to please the masses then we should be paid to do so
Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:42 pm
by TaCktiX
Well considering that pamoa started this map as a classic gameplay one, I think the choice has already been made. Some people are trying to change that choice for petty reasons.
Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:46 pm
by Ruben Cassar
TaCktiX wrote:Well considering that pamoa started this map as a classic gameplay one, I think the choice has already been made. Some people are trying to change that choice for petty reasons.
Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:08 am
by pamoa
Hi, I'm back on work.
I think that the more trick issue is closed as nobody argued anymore in that direction.
So I'll stick to the actual version of gameplay.
As soon as possible I'll release a new update but their is a lot of work waiting me here in office so it may take me a week.
I decided to change the paris bonus label as following:
Paris (*) Isle-de-France +1
Any other comments!
Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] june16 p5
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:06 am
by Ruben Cassar
As I told you in earlier posts the colour scheme needs to change. It's too hard to differentiate between a region and another with only that thin border of colouring.
Check my previous posts regarding this issue. You should try to fill the region with colour perhaps?