The most evil tyrant of 20th century

[strike wolf]

ignotus that is more of the Liberal Propaganda inserted into the History books by the vitors of the war. if Hitler had won the war, the same lies and bias media would of be inserted in the history books condeming the Americans. by the way FDR put 120,000 German-Americans and Japanese-Americans into Concentration camps but funny enough they choose to rename them "relocation camps".

I'm pretty sure you mean internment camps. secondly if you look at it from a non-biased sort of way, the internment camps didn't involved working people to death in the worst living conditions possible and throwing their bodies into a furnace. finally, I believe those camps were mainly Japanese Americans.

I would not defend the internment camps but to say they are at the same level as the German concentration camps?

actually Wikipedia calls them relocation camps...

I wouldn't trust wikipedia there have been blatant errors. As for Relocation vs. Internment, maybe you're right, I've just always been told that they were called internment camps.

As for your theory on where the 5 million jews went. What about the jewish survivors who were in the concentration camps, who told the world what it was like in there? Notably Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi. Did they falsely make up these remarkably similar accounts for no reason? Was it all just hatred of the Germans?

you can believe 100% that it was hatred for the germans! I'm not saying no jews died or that some Germans didn't kill jews just because of the fact that they were jews. What I'm saying is that Hitler was not a murder he didnt get to power on the intention to whipe them all out, he just wanted them out of his beloved land.... they were foreigners they filled the german press with lies. They corrupted and stole funds from the economical establishments of Germany and they were the reason for the crappy state that Germany was in during the 1930's, They had becomed so powerful that they forced the Kaiser to give up powers and surrender in WW1, and they headed the puppet Democratic government in Germany who were responsible for the great German Depression. These foreigners didn't want to become German citizens they wanted to make a quick buck out of the Father Land at the German's expenses... Hitler did what any Nationalist would do today!

So basically you've bought into Hitler's stories. Germany was losing the war and were forced to surrender. The depression was brought on by the overall destruction during the war and all the resources that were destroyed, and a treaty that was stupid and really demanded something that the Germans couldn't possibly fulfill given the situation they were in. If they had continued to fight in WWI the depression would have only gotten worse. And if Germany was a "puppet government" that the Jews controlled, why would let Hitler come to power when he was openly attacking them, blaming them for the poor state that Germany was in?

[Harijan]

They corrupted and stole funds from the economical establishments of Germany and they were the reason for the crappy state that Germany was in during the 1930's, They had becomed so powerful that they forced the Kaiser to give up powers and surrender in WW1, and they headed the puppet Democratic government in Germany who were responsible for the great German Depression. These foreigners didn't want to become German citizens they wanted to make a quick buck out of the Father Land at the German's expenses... Hitler did what any Nationalist would do today!

Krusher, you need sources and supportable evidence when you say stuff like this. Just saying it doesn't make it true. Post your sources then we can talk about it.

The German depression was not just a German depression, it is the same depression that was going on in America and the rest of Europe. It was not caused by jews.

As for the power and forcing the Kaiser to surrender, Germany was getting their ass kicked on every front once America entered WW1. The Kaiser was either going to surrender or be killed by the Allies. Jews had nothing to do with that.

[muy_thaiguy]

you can believe 100% that it was hatred for the germans! I'm not saying no jews died or that some Germans didn't kill jews just because of the fact that they were jews. What I'm saying is that Hitler was not a murder he didnt get to power on the intention to whipe them all out, he just wanted them out of his beloved land.... they were foreigners they filled the german press with lies. They corrupted and stole funds from the economical establishments of Germany and they were the reason for the crappy state that Germany was in during the 1930's, They had becomed so powerful that they forced the Kaiser to give up powers and surrender in WW1, and they headed the puppet Democratic government in Germany who were responsible for the great German Depression. These foreigners didn't want to become German citizens they wanted to make a quick buck out of the Father Land at the German's expenses... Hitler did what any Nationalist would do today!

Your kidding me, right? They never forced the Kaiser to abdicate the throne! His military counsel advised him to do so! For one, Hitler was AUSTRIAN! He was not from Germany! The cause of the German Depression was that Germany was expected to pay for all of the damages from WWI, this caused so much inflation that the German Mark was rendered worthless. And how were the Jewish people there, in Poland, Austria, France, Denmark, Russia, and all of the other countries that they lived in for generations, foreigners?! They had spent centuries in those areas! Learn your history from a reliable source, because where you are getting your history is utter bull!

[krusher]

the 5 million jews who are un-accounted for were results of casulties of war, Deportations to Palestine (which is how the whole Israel nation came to be) and massive migration of jews them selfs to U.S, Russia, Scandinavia, Australia, and parts of South America. not to mention the 5 million estimates are in deep debates with scholars (most suspect it was less then that)

wrong!

Jews were banned by British authorities to settle in Palestine (they had a quota). Most of the Jews that formed Israel came from before 1930's and again after 1945. In 1931 there was 174,606 Jews in Palestine. In 1944. there was 554,000 of them. Again: So where did 5 million of European Jews go from 1933 to 1945? Migration to other countries wasn't an option for most Jews (at least not a good one). What happened to St. Lewis and Struma shows exactly that.

ignotus, just think who wrote those history books? and ask your self if you had done a horrible act (like whiping out 2 citys of people) wouldn't you want to public attention to change to you're enemies that you just defeated and label them as the bad guy and say that, the war was just and righteous and that you were fighting for good against evil? you have no idea of the true power of propaganda and how easily a few lies, a few "Editing of documents" and a good story can do to make you seem like the good guy, not only that but the Germans having lost the war could not defend them selfs or dismiss the American lies... they lost the war so their punishment and even their crimes were what ever the Americans decidet.

[Arbustos]

His argument is so bunk...

[ignotus]

ignotus that is more of the Liberal Propaganda inserted into the History books by the vitors of the war. if Hitler had won the war, the same lies and bias media would of be inserted in the history books condeming the Americans. by the way FDR put 120,000 German-Americans and Japanese-Americans into Concentration camps but funny enough they choose to rename them "relocation camps".

I'm pretty sure you mean internment camps. secondly if you look at it from a non-biased sort of way, the internment camps didn't involved working people to death in the worst living conditions possible and throwing their bodies into a furnace. finally, I believe those camps were mainly Japanese Americans.

I would not defend the internment camps but to say they are at the same level as the German concentration camps?

actually Wikipedia calls them relocation camps...

I wouldn't trust wikipedia there have been blatant errors. As for Relocation vs. Internment, maybe you're right, I've just always been told that they were called internment camps.

As for your theory on where the 5 million jews went. What about the jewish survivors who were in the concentration camps, who told the world what it was like in there? Notably Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi. Did they falsely make up these remarkably similar accounts for no reason? Was it all just hatred of the Germans?

you can believe 100% that it was hatred for the germans! I'm not saying no jews died or that some Germans didn't kill jews just because of the fact that they were jews. What I'm saying is that Hitler was not a murder he didnt get to power on the intention to whipe them all out, he just wanted them out of his beloved land.... they were foreigners they filled the german press with lies. They corrupted and stole funds from the economical establishments of Germany and they were the reason for the crappy state that Germany was in during the 1930's, They had becomed so powerful that they forced the Kaiser to give up powers and surrender in WW1, and they headed the puppet Democratic government in Germany who were responsible for the great German Depression. These foreigners didn't want to become German citizens they wanted to make a quick buck out of the Father Land at the German's expenses... Hitler did what any Nationalist would do today!

German's crappy economy was the result of week governing and paying up high war reparations (of WWI). Kaiser left because the state was begging to fall apart (strikes of soldiers-, uprising in Berlin, et cetera).

Hitler was a madman!

[krusher]

ignotus that is more of the Liberal Propaganda inserted into the History books by the vitors of the war. if Hitler had won the war, the same lies and bias media would of be inserted in the history books condeming the Americans. by the way FDR put 120,000 German-Americans and Japanese-Americans into Concentration camps but funny enough they choose to rename them "relocation camps".

I'm pretty sure you mean internment camps. secondly if you look at it from a non-biased sort of way, the internment camps didn't involved working people to death in the worst living conditions possible and throwing their bodies into a furnace. finally, I believe those camps were mainly Japanese Americans.

I would not defend the internment camps but to say they are at the same level as the German concentration camps?

actually Wikipedia calls them relocation camps...

I wouldn't trust wikipedia there have been blatant errors. As for Relocation vs. Internment, maybe you're right, I've just always been told that they were called internment camps.

As for your theory on where the 5 million jews went. What about the jewish survivors who were in the concentration camps, who told the world what it was like in there? Notably Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi. Did they falsely make up these remarkably similar accounts for no reason? Was it all just hatred of the Germans?

you can believe 100% that it was hatred for the germans! I'm not saying no jews died or that some Germans didn't kill jews just because of the fact that they were jews. What I'm saying is that Hitler was not a murder he didnt get to power on the intention to whipe them all out, he just wanted them out of his beloved land.... they were foreigners they filled the german press with lies. They corrupted and stole funds from the economical establishments of Germany and they were the reason for the crappy state that Germany was in during the 1930's, They had becomed so powerful that they forced the Kaiser to give up powers and surrender in WW1, and they headed the puppet Democratic government in Germany who were responsible for the great German Depression. These foreigners didn't want to become German citizens they wanted to make a quick buck out of the Father Land at the German's expenses... Hitler did what any Nationalist would do today!

German's crappy economy was the result of week governing and paying up high war reparations (of WWI). Kaiser left because the state was begging to fall apart (strikes of soldiers-, uprising in Berlin, et cetera).

Hitler was a madman!

Hitler was a Nationalist of the 20th century!

[Arbustos]

ignotus that is more of the Liberal Propaganda inserted into the History books by the vitors of the war. if Hitler had won the war, the same lies and bias media would of be inserted in the history books condeming the Americans. by the way FDR put 120,000 German-Americans and Japanese-Americans into Concentration camps but funny enough they choose to rename them "relocation camps".

I'm pretty sure you mean internment camps. secondly if you look at it from a non-biased sort of way, the internment camps didn't involved working people to death in the worst living conditions possible and throwing their bodies into a furnace. finally, I believe those camps were mainly Japanese Americans.

I would not defend the internment camps but to say they are at the same level as the German concentration camps?

actually Wikipedia calls them relocation camps...

I wouldn't trust wikipedia there have been blatant errors. As for Relocation vs. Internment, maybe you're right, I've just always been told that they were called internment camps.

As for your theory on where the 5 million jews went. What about the jewish survivors who were in the concentration camps, who told the world what it was like in there? Notably Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi. Did they falsely make up these remarkably similar accounts for no reason? Was it all just hatred of the Germans?

you can believe 100% that it was hatred for the germans! I'm not saying no jews died or that some Germans didn't kill jews just because of the fact that they were jews. What I'm saying is that Hitler was not a murder he didnt get to power on the intention to whipe them all out, he just wanted them out of his beloved land.... they were foreigners they filled the german press with lies. They corrupted and stole funds from the economical establishments of Germany and they were the reason for the crappy state that Germany was in during the 1930's, They had becomed so powerful that they forced the Kaiser to give up powers and surrender in WW1, and they headed the puppet Democratic government in Germany who were responsible for the great German Depression. These foreigners didn't want to become German citizens they wanted to make a quick buck out of the Father Land at the German's expenses... Hitler did what any Nationalist would do today!

German's crappy economy was the result of week governing and paying up high war reparations (of WWI). Kaiser left because the state was begging to fall apart (strikes of soldiers-, uprising in Berlin, et cetera).

Hitler was a madman!

Hitler was a RACIST FASCIST (Nazi) of the 20th century!

Fix'd.

[krusher]

now are we going to have a real debate, or are we just going to keep our minds closed to the Alternative that the Bias Liberal History books dont teach us and slender the guy who offers an alternative to the lies?

[ignotus]

the 5 million jews who are un-accounted for were results of casulties of war, Deportations to Palestine (which is how the whole Israel nation came to be) and massive migration of jews them selfs to U.S, Russia, Scandinavia, Australia, and parts of South America. not to mention the 5 million estimates are in deep debates with scholars (most suspect it was less then that)

wrong!

Jews were banned by British authorities to settle in Palestine (they had a quota). Most of the Jews that formed Israel came from before 1930's and again after 1945. In 1931 there was 174,606 Jews in Palestine. In 1944. there was 554,000 of them. Again: So where did 5 million of European Jews go from 1933 to 1945? Migration to other countries wasn't an option for most Jews (at least not a good one). What happened to St. Lewis and Struma shows exactly that.

ignotus, just think who wrote those history books? and ask your self if you had done a horrible act (like whiping out 2 citys of people) wouldn't you want to public attention to change to you're enemies that you just defeated and label them as the bad guy and say that, the war was just and righteous and that you were fighting for good against evil? you have no idea of the true power of propaganda and how easily a few lies, a few "Editing of documents" and a good story can do to make you seem like the good guy, not only that but the Germans having lost the war could not defend them selfs or dismiss the American lies... they lost the war so their punishment and even their crimes were what ever the Americans decidet.

So they (the winners) rigged all the testimonies, built camps to look like they were built in 1930's and miscalculated casualties by a few zeros at the end? Poor Germans were only defending from "big Jewish threat" to their state so they killed 120 000 in self defense?

Face it: Nazis killed Jews! You have a whole world of proofs and you think they are all rigged.

You are a idiot!

People like you make me puke!

[Simonov]

Hitler was a madman!

There's a thin line between genius and madman. If u put aside his crazy policy towards Jews and Slavs, he wasn't all that bad. People tend to over-demonize him as a private person, he was a horrible historic persona though, similar to Franco, Mussolini, Stalin and rest of the crew.

I'd go for Karadzic (personal reasons).

[Arbustos]

now are we going to have a real debate, or are we just going to keep our minds closed to the Alternative that the Bias Liberal History books dont teach us and slender the guy who offers an alternative to the lies?

You've been disproved on pretty much everything. What do you want?

[krusher]

I'm not German, My Parents aren't German and as far as I know none of my ancetors are Germans, I'm not here to defend Hitler because I think he was cool, I'm here to debate the lies and the bias Media who has changed History to their own benefit. I'f every one is here to just point fingers and call Hitler the bad guy instead of trying to understand why he did it, what he though and what was the situation. Then I guess theres no point in debating and ill just leave.

[Arbustos]

Hitler was a madman!

There's a thin line between genius and madman. If u put aside his crazy policy towards Jews and Slavs, he wasn't all that bad. People tend to over-demonize him as a private person, he was a horrible historic persona though, similar to Franco, Mussolini, Stalin and rest of the crew.

I'd go for Karadzic (personal reasons).

He made some crap military decisions though (like with bombing London instead of focusing on the RAF). At least I've heard he made the final call on things like that... correct me if I'm wrong.

[Napoleon Ier]

German's crappy economy was the result of weak governing and paying up high war reparations (of WWI). Kaiser left because the state was begging to fall apart (strikes of soldiers-, uprising in Berlin, et cetera).

Hitler was a madman!

(the bit about the economy, not Hitler)

Also weak government. But the wrong but is when you blame it ntirely on reparations

[ignotus]

I'm not German, My Parents aren't German and as far as I know none of my ancetors are Germans, I'm not here to defend Hitler because I think he was cool, I'm here to debate the lies and the bias Media who has changed History to their own benefit. I'f every one is here to just point fingers and call Hitler the bad guy instead of trying to understand why he did it, what he though and what was the situation. Then I guess theres no point in debating and ill just leave.

I'm taking your nazi ass to flame wars!

[krusher]

now are we going to have a real debate, or are we just going to keep our minds closed to the Alternative that the Bias Liberal History books dont teach us and slender the guy who offers an alternative to the lies?

You've been disproved on pretty much everything. What do you want?

History is writen by those who come out on top my friend, what I'm debating is facts and the historical accuracy of the information given by the Media...

[muy_thaiguy]

ignotus that is more of the Liberal Propaganda inserted into the History books by the vitors of the war. if Hitler had won the war, the same lies and bias media would of be inserted in the history books condeming the Americans. by the way FDR put 120,000 German-Americans and Japanese-Americans into Concentration camps but funny enough they choose to rename them "relocation camps".

I'm pretty sure you mean internment camps. secondly if you look at it from a non-biased sort of way, the internment camps didn't involved working people to death in the worst living conditions possible and throwing their bodies into a furnace. finally, I believe those camps were mainly Japanese Americans.

I would not defend the internment camps but to say they are at the same level as the German concentration camps?

actually Wikipedia calls them relocation camps...

I wouldn't trust wikipedia there have been blatant errors. As for Relocation vs. Internment, maybe you're right, I've just always been told that they were called internment camps.

As for your theory on where the 5 million jews went. What about the jewish survivors who were in the concentration camps, who told the world what it was like in there? Notably Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi. Did they falsely make up these remarkably similar accounts for no reason? Was it all just hatred of the Germans?

you can believe 100% that it was hatred for the germans! I'm not saying no jews died or that some Germans didn't kill jews just because of the fact that they were jews. What I'm saying is that Hitler was not a murder he didnt get to power on the intention to whipe them all out, he just wanted them out of his beloved land.... they were foreigners they filled the german press with lies. They corrupted and stole funds from the economical establishments of Germany and they were the reason for the crappy state that Germany was in during the 1930's, They had becomed so powerful that they forced the Kaiser to give up powers and surrender in WW1, and they headed the puppet Democratic government in Germany who were responsible for the great German Depression. These foreigners didn't want to become German citizens they wanted to make a quick buck out of the Father Land at the German's expenses... Hitler did what any Nationalist would do today!

German's crappy economy was the result of week governing and paying up high war reparations (of WWI). Kaiser left because the state was begging to fall apart (strikes of soldiers-, uprising in Berlin, et cetera).

Hitler was a madman!

Hitler was a [b]Socialist Nationalist of the 20th century![/b]

Quite the difference there, little man. Look, we are giving you facts, facts that are on film, in books, and people's memories. You just refuse to see something obvious because you got snickered in by his words.

[strike wolf]

now are we going to have a real debate, or are we just going to keep our minds closed to the Alternative that the Bias Liberal History books dont teach us and slender the guy who offers an alternative to the lies?

You've been disproved on pretty much everything. What do you want?

History is writen by those who come out on top my friend, what I'm debating is facts and the historical accuracy of the information given by the Media...

I just want to know. Where did you get all this "information" about Hitler and Germany during WWII?

[muy_thaiguy]

now are we going to have a real debate, or are we just going to keep our minds closed to the Alternative that the Bias Liberal History books dont teach us and slender the guy who offers an alternative to the lies?

You've been disproved on pretty much everything. What do you want?

History is writen by those who come out on top my friend, what I'm debating is facts and the historical accuracy of the information given by the Media...

What facts? You have not given ANY sources what so ever except for wikipedia which many do not hold to at the highest regard (one way to put it).

[krusher]

even I agree he was a crappy commander, he had no real strategy and knew basicly nothing about waging war. What he did have was a dream of a perfect world with no borders, no corruption, and no crime.

[Simonov]

Hitler was a madman!

There's a thin line between genius and madman. If u put aside his crazy policy towards Jews and Slavs, he wasn't all that bad. People tend to over-demonize him as a private person, he was a horrible historic persona though, similar to Franco, Mussolini, Stalin and rest of the crew.

I'd go for Karadzic (personal reasons).

He made some crap military decisions though (like with bombing London instead of focusing on the RAF). At least I've heard he made the final call on things like that... correct me if I'm wrong.

Also waging war on 2 fronts was a big mistake. If he respected his non-attacking alliance with Stalin we would all probably be speaking german or russian now...

too cocky and too confident in Nazi power. that was the main reason behind his demise...

[Arbustos]

I'm not German, My Parents aren't German and as far as I know none of my ancetors are Germans, I'm not here to defend Hitler because I think he was cool, I'm here to debate the lies and the bias Media who has changed History to their own benefit. I'f every one is here to just point fingers and call Hitler the bad guy instead of trying to understand why he did it, what he though and what was the situation. Then I guess theres no point in debating and ill just leave.

I think we're all aware of the situation at the time. He came to power partially because of his defiance of the Versailles Treaty, and proceeded with the fascist trademark: militarization. He revived the economy that way, but was going to have to go to war eventually with the new army (once again defying Versailles Treaty). Bam, there goes the Rhineland, Austria, and the Sudetenland. Hello WWII! He was nationalist in that regard, but you have to realize the Holocaust happened and nothing you say or hear can make that better.

[krusher]

want some sources? read Mein Kampf.

[Arbustos]

want some sources? read Mein Kampfe.

Talk about bias!

It's Mein Kampf.