Conquer Club

muy_thaiguy wrote:There are three types of people.

Those who like me

Those who hate me

Those who do not care/know that I exist


I pity the ones in the last group. See?

I pity the first group.

:)

unriggable wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:There are three types of people.

Those who like me

Those who hate me

Those who do not care/know that I exist


I pity the ones in the last group. See?

I pity the first group.

:)

Those too.

how about a different set of premises.....

first premise....Most societies if not all, have at somepoint in time come up with the idea of god or gods or something supernatural

second...not every society has believed in the same concepts of god.

Therefore one of two things is possible.

1) the concept of god, true or false, is something in all likelyhood every society has elements of, but no society has completly understood.

2) the concept of god, being unable to be proven true or false, is true or false by the standards of that society, and is thus dependent on a given society.

If you change the focus from something we cannot ever look at and "know" so to speak, to something we can at least observe you find your premises are relatively of low import.

you can argue anything you like if your the one choosing the premises.

i dont fit into any of the three original groups...where can i post my complaint?

lord twiggy1 wrote:i dont fit into any of the three original groups...where can i post my complaint?

Put it in an envelope and shove it up your ass. This doesn't really count anyways.

WHat about people who dont really spend their time thinking about whether or not there is a God?

And the people who think "God is da shiznit!!" and post threads about Him on Risk forums?

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God, believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God, is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions, does not believe in God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

I'm my own group.. I believe there is a god but I dont go by some "book" I follow my own rules pretty much. I do follow most the 10 commandments I don't kill or steal or sleep with married people just as I don't lie.. I don't believe in hurting others if you can avoid it either.. I believe in a god that isn't some white guy with a Septor in a kingdom.. I don't know what he is though..

salvadevinemasse wrote:

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God, believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God, is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions, does not believe in God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

I'm my own group.. I believe there is a god but I dont go by some "book" I follow my own rules pretty much. I do follow most the 10 commandments I don't kill or steal or sleep with married people just as I don't lie.. I don't believe in hurting others if you can avoid it either.. I believe in a god that isn't some white guy with a Septor in a kingdom.. I don't know what he is though..

Group 2, actually.

Kaplowitz wrote:WHat about people who dont really spend their time thinking about whether or not there is a God?

those people are probably the smartest people of all.

salvadevinemasse wrote:

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God, believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God, is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions, does not believe in God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

I'm my own group.. I believe there is a god but I dont go by some "book" I follow my own rules pretty much. I do follow most the 10 commandments I don't kill or steal or sleep with married people just as I don't lie.. I don't believe in hurting others if you can avoid it either.. I believe in a god that isn't some white guy with a Septor in a kingdom.. I don't know what he is though..

Clearly you weren't reading. That means that you hate God with a passion. Either that or you're lying and you don't believe at all.

salvadevinemasse wrote:

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God, believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God, is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions, does not believe in God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

I'm my own group.. I believe there is a god but I dont go by some "book" I follow my own rules pretty much. I do follow most the 10 commandments I don't kill or steal or sleep with married people just as I don't lie.. I don't believe in hurting others if you can avoid it either.. I believe in a god that isn't some white guy with a Septor in a kingdom.. I don't know what he is though..

Group 1. You think there is a god who needs to be obeyed.

Frigidus wrote:

salvadevinemasse wrote:

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God, believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God, is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions, does not believe in God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

I'm my own group.. I believe there is a god but I dont go by some "book" I follow my own rules pretty much. I do follow most the 10 commandments I don't kill or steal or sleep with married people just as I don't lie.. I don't believe in hurting others if you can avoid it either.. I believe in a god that isn't some white guy with a Septor in a kingdom.. I don't know what he is though..

Clearly you weren't reading. That means that you hate God with a passion. Either that or you're lying and you don't believe at all.

You know what. I screwed up. I've written group 3 in the wrong way.

I'm going to change it from "doesn't believe in God", to "doesn't know the word of God".

It should make alot more sense now. My bad.

You're right. There is a word of God. Fact. That black book with no author. Must be God. Benefit of the doubt.

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions does not know the word of God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

Riggable, you would be a #3 groupie.

Gregrios wrote:

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions does not know the word of God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

Riggable, you would be a #3 groupie.

Riggable or me? We're both atheists FYI. Also you shouldnt assume that shit your fed as a child is true because God might not exist for all we know.

Gregrios wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Guiscard wrote:What about people who believe in God but don't believe the 'word' of God is a truthful reflection?

That would be group 2.

Actually.... no. Besides, there are multiple "words of God".

It depends on the sceniro. That could really go 2 ways. Group 2 or 3.

1st scenirio: a believing person that chooses not to listen can't like God too much. And what's the opposite of like? It's dislike or as I said "hate". Group 2.

2nd scenirio: a believing person who simply don't know what the word of God is. This would be the group I've spent most of my life in. They believe but don't understand it. Group 3.

It was a good question. Next time though, just think about it a little longer before finding fault with it. That's all I ask.

I did jump the gun with my 1st answer but hopefully I've answered your question. Your scenirio fits 2 of the groups previously mentioned.

Oh, please tell: What is the word of God? Is it the one in the bible? Or the one in the Quran? Or the word as interpreted by the mormons? Or did the ancient greeks have it right?

Or are they all false and has God yet to bring his word to the people, or even never will? Because that's what Guiscard was saying. You can believe in God and still think the Christians have it wrong.

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions does not know the word of God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

The mindset that everyone must be divided up into this category or that category (particularly with respect to religion) is one of the leading causes of problems in this world. Regardless of how correct or appropriate that your argument is, you are contributing to our society's already overwhelming xenophobia.

Dancing Mustard wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Dancing Mustard wrote:Whoopsie, looks like you missed at least three types from that list:

People who believe in god and choose to live by their own assumptions, but don't necessarily 'hate' god?

People who don't believe in god but who choose to live by his word?

People who kidnap other people's children, chain them to radiators, burn their feet with blowtorches and candles, then masturbate all over them before choking them by stuffing the last victim's clothes down their screaming throats.


There, that's three big fat holes blasted through your logic already... I win.

Why don't you take a minute and read what you just wrote. It's just a little too hypicritical.

Please explain how they are 'hypicritical'.

Still waiting...

there are actually 3 types of people


those who can count

and those who cant

bryguy wrote:there are actually 3 types of people


those who can count

and those who cant

goddamit, that's what i was about to say!

Gregrios wrote:Everybody on earth can be classified into 1 of the 3 following groups.


Group 1: A person who lives by the word of God believes in God.

Group 2: A person who believes in God but chooses not to live by the words of God is a hater of God.

Group 3: A person who lives by their own assumptions does not know the word of God.


It is completely up to every individual to choose the way of life they want.

The person's choice will no doubtably fall into 1 of these 3 groups.

If anyone can find legitimate fault with this claim, please let me know.

One can make 3 generalized statements about ANYTHING and say each person will fit into one of the groups.

All people fit into one of these categories to:

1) people who hate you
2) people who like you
3) people who don't care about your existence

or this one,

1) people who like cheese
2) people who don't like cheese
3) people who are indifferent about cheese

maybe this one,

1) people who think 911 is a government conspiracy
2) people who don't think 911 is a government conspiracy
3) people who don't know/care

When you include a positive response, a negative response and a neutral response of course everyone will fit into one category; it's called cognitive reasoning, i.e., deciding where you fit.

Just because your's is about god makes it no different (btw, flogging a dead horse is an appropriate analogy here).

Yays for teh god, hes teh c00lest would have been a more appropriate post, at least then you wouldn't be trying to pass this off as subjective logic and feel that religion = intelligence, which it certainly does not.

mr. incrediball wrote:

bryguy wrote:there are actually 3 types of people


those who can count

and those who cant

goddamit, that's what i was about to say!

Everyone can be classified into one of three categories:

1. Those who feel a need to classify others.

2. Those who don't feel a need to classify others.

3. Those who defy or otherwise undermine another's classifications or the idea of classification.

I usually like to consider myself of the thrid category, except when I don't feel like it.

I know and understand the Word of God, as much as any mortal concievably could. Once, I even believed in God. I have since turned away from God, his word, and all of his churches, but not out of hate. There is no reason to hate that which doesn't exist or those that glorify a nonexistent being. Indeed, I feel that all hate is a fruitless exercise, a sentiment that the Churches echo but rarely practice. The most negativity I can muster is pity for those who follow a false belief and disappontment in myself for once falling victim to illogical superstition.

My faith is in myself and through myself, the universe. If there was a creator God, then I am his product and through me God works his supreme will, which is indeed indistinguishable from my own as my will was shaped by him. If there was no creator God, than I am myself the greatest being of the universe and my will is supreme. Thus, regardless of the true beginning, I am now justified in acting however I wish. If that brings me into conflict with anyone or anything else, it is my divine responsibility to crush all opposition as best I am able, just as it would be your responsibility to try to crush me. When I die, my purpose will have been fulfilled regardless of the outcome.

Group 1. You think there is a god who needs to be obeyed.

Group 4: You think there is a god who needs to be destroyed.

OR

Group 4: You are a Pastafarian. A true believer![/quote]