The Thing TOWN WINS!

[SoN!c]

Downside of BT Ragian is he could be the converted one and not the original Thing.

[SoN!c]

The more i think about it the more i believe Ragian is the converted one. Otherwise the game would end. But BT Ragian and finding him converted means we lynch him, then the day ends and tomorrow we have to find 2 Things all over again.

[Ragian]

LOL. I thought you'd change your erratic play.

While I have been called many things by DDS in my time - for his own personal amusement apparently - he would not, as the mod, give you any clue as to who the converted one is. You must agree with that. Surely. If you agree, this stinks of a plot to waste a BT - an anti-town move. If you don't agree, I'm just back to not giving your posts any weight.

And before you go all, "Oh my God, he hasn't denied," I can safely say - the only caveat being that a converted players isn't told of his conversion (which would be weird) - that I am neither The Thing nor the converted of the day.

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I haven't seen the film. Others might be in the same boat, so I reckon that DDS have provided The Thing with safeclaims. If so, claiming in itself has no real weight in this game.

[strike wolf]

I'll just outright say it so you guys don't have to keep discussing mechanics. I eliminated the random conversion, due to a scenario that town just loses on d2. That's all I'm adding.

I will also reward Dirty points if you punch Roogen in the testies.

People seem to be overlooking what DDS actually said here. Looks like he's saying he got rid of the element of The Thing having a day 1 conversion. So we'd just be looking for The Thing. DDS, if I'm wrong please clarify.

@Son!c: DDS never says Ragians name right. It's his own personal joke.

Starting to feel a lot like The Tick Mafia with a mostly random bandwagon on Pix.

[swang918]

The signup thread said Thing starts with one conversion of his choice and a night conversion. So I'm not sure what's the random conversion that got eliminated?

[SoN!c]

I'll just outright say it so you guys don't have to keep discussing mechanics. I eliminated the random conversion, due to a scenario that town just loses on d2. That's all I'm adding.

I will also reward Dirty points if you punch Roogen in the testies.

People seem to be overlooking what DDS actually said here. Looks like he's saying he got rid of the element of The Thing having a day 1 conversion. So we'd just be looking for The Thing. DDS, if I'm wrong please clarify.

@Son!c: DDS never says Ragians name right. It's his own personal joke.

Starting to feel a lot like The Tick Mafia with a mostly random bandwagon on Pix.

Got it, "Roogan" is just an inside joke of DDS.. okay was looking for a clue there because i got no idea atm how we can find The Thing in just 2 days.


I guess "I will also reward Dirty points if you punch Roogen in the testies" is a joke aswell?

[SoN!c]

The signup thread said Thing starts with one conversion of his choice and a night conversion. So I'm not sure what's the random conversion that got eliminated?

DDS is saying the signup thread got changed and it's just 1 Thing we need to find. Ofcourse with a night conversion every night.

[*Pixar*]

Damn get busy at work and I'm getting BT already??? Lol I know everyone can say this, but I will say it is a waste to BT me. But I'm willing to take the punch today if you dont trust me

[DirtyDishSoap]

The signup thread said Thing starts with one conversion of his choice and a night conversion. So I'm not sure what's the random conversion that got eliminated?

Had to get rid of it due to a lower player count. Shitty move on my end but with 2 less players, town would lose on d2 if their play isn't immaculate. Strike is right.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I feel a BT on Pix is just to easy, would rather BT someone else

[SoN!c]

We should lay out a strategy first is my idea.

We now know it's just 1 Thing to find so we have extra time since "point of no return" will be D4.

10 players and 1 Thing that converts one every night.. If we don't lynch we can last untill D4 with a majority of town reaching the vote minimum. That are 4 BT's at best... (just 40%).

If we lynch one every day we can last until D3 (only 3 BT's but 3 extra lynch chances : so overall % is better with lynch, you can cover 60% this way..) but 1 less night and that is a variable ? Perhaps there is a townie with special night powers that it's better to have 4 nights?

[swang918]

I agree that Lynch + BT is better than just BTing.
Since there's only one Thing, our day 1 BT is going to be pure random and there's no point in pressuring anyone because you can't go back and see who defended them etc.

[strike wolf]

I think the best people to BT day 1 are people who are good/experienced (me, Ragian, EW, Pix and Traf all spring to mind) or someone who we know is a bit of a wild card and might be hard to read, Son!c springs to mind with that criteria. Doing a BT on an experienced player does two things. 1. Potentially get rid of a particularly dangerous cult leader early. Or 2. Give us someone who we can 100% trust until the EoD to voice opinions and has the experience so that their voice carries some weight.

[SoN!c]

I think the best people to BT day 1 are people who are good/experienced (me, Ragian, EW, Pix and Traf all spring to mind) or someone who we know is a bit of a wild card and might be hard to read, Son!c springs to mind with that criteria. Doing a BT on an experienced player does two things. 1. Potentially get rid of a particularly dangerous cult leader early. Or 2. Give us someone who we can 100% trust until the EoD to voice opinions and has the experience so that their voice carries some weight.

Makes sense. Except these players are also the ones the Thing would recruit first. Especially if the one that gets BT would also be an experienced player. And we only have 3 or 4 BT's all game..dont wanna waste one just "random" if we can?

[Votanic]

We should lay out a strategy first is my idea.

We now know it's just 1 Thing to find so we have extra time since "point of no return" will be D4.

10 players and 1 Thing that converts one every night.. If we don't lynch we can last untill D4 with a majority of town reaching the vote minimum. That are 4 BT's at best... (just 40%).

If we lynch one every day we can last until D3 (only 3 BT's but 3 extra lynch chances : so overall % is better with lynch, you can cover 60% this way..) but 1 less night and that is a variable ? Perhaps there is a townie with special night powers that it's better to have 4 nights?

This really spells it out. Unless town gets real clues or some players have special abilities, this just becomes a guessing game with poor odds.
I get that razzing somebody about a mispelled name or typo just might trigger a psychological effect, but the chance of that happening, the kind of reaction that occurs, and how to accurately read it takes us right back to guessing.
I know, I know "Votanic welcome to a mafia game"... but still.

[SoN!c]

We should lay out a strategy first is my idea.

We now know it's just 1 Thing to find so we have extra time since "point of no return" will be D4.

10 players and 1 Thing that converts one every night.. If we don't lynch we can last untill D4 with a majority of town reaching the vote minimum. That are 4 BT's at best... (just 40%).

If we lynch one every day we can last until D3 (only 3 BT's but 3 extra lynch chances : so overall % is better with lynch, you can cover 60% this way..) but 1 less night and that is a variable ? Perhaps there is a townie with special night powers that it's better to have 4 nights?

This really spells it out. Unless town gets real clues or some players have special abilities, this just becomes a guessing game with poor odds.
I get that razzing somebody about a mispelled name or typo just might trigger a psychological effect, but the chance of that happening, the kind of reaction that occurs, and how to accurately read it takes us right back to guessing.
I know, I know "Votanic welcome to a mafia game"... but still.

True.

But i wanna play a game and not take some random guesses..

I have another theory. If you are the Thing you pretty much know that if you can survive just for 3 days its in the bag like a 90% sure win.

So if i was the Thing i would try to buy me some good credibility on D1. That good cred will get me through the 3 days i need to win. Its just 3 days on cult. Its not 5 like mafia..

And the best way to do that is not to join the Pixar bandwagon but saying that we should test "somebody else". Because today that is just a 1/9 chance it would backfire (if the outcome of "testing somebody else" would result in you getting tested in the end).

But if not, and they choose somebody else to test (on 8/9 odds) you will be trusted so much its pretty much won.

[Extreme Ways]

Imo testing is not a damning of a random bandwagon as the lynch-wagon in the tick.

I mostly agree with strike with emphasis added on end of day. I dont know if town has any power roles, from my own experiences with cult games I doubt it, so I'm not sure whether we will get any good info later on. For this reason I voted Pix, because from the people I know I found him the most useful to run a blood test on. I can definitely see a BT on Sonic too, but I... have a feeling Town should be able to notice a change in playstyles when opr if he gets infected.

[SoN!c]

Imo testing is not a damning of a random bandwagon as the lynch-wagon in the tick.

I mostly agree with strike with emphasis added on end of day. I dont know if town has any power roles, from my own experiences with cult games I doubt it, so I'm not sure whether we will get any good info later on. For this reason I voted Pix, because from the people I know I found him the most useful to run a blood test on. I can definitely see a BT on Sonic too, but I... have a feeling Town should be able to notice a change in playstyles when opr if he gets infected.

I got you, i was thinking exactly the same thing about Pix when you voted for him.

So strategy is we BT every day and if the BT turns negative we still lynch one anyway at "random"? Sounds harsh but its the best strategy in the end it seems. But i would like to get the BT ASAP then (because the other option is a lynch) .

So please BT me

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I was letting time to analyse people comments on BT. I was thinking if I were the thing what would I do stay quiet and try to not be the tested one or try to be active and get someone else BT rather quickly.
It it were me I would have probably stay quiet but I feel most people in here would actually try to comment quickly on it to get a BT going asap so they dont get BT'ed D1.
There is not so much to read right now so its mostly a shot in the dark So I think I would BT EW or Votanic or maybe Strike cause I think he would played it similar to how I would so not draw to much attention.

[Charle]

Sonic might have a point here. Let's do it then. If Ragian tests negative, then we go for a different strategy.

Unvote

BT Ragian

[Charle]

Sorry, I posted this at the end of the previous page not realizing that it was not the last post

I also think we should BT an experienced player, therefore I will keep my BT vote as above. After that outcome, we should lynch somebody on random, making our chances better to get to the thing.

Also, only after the first night we will know if there are special night actions and with those outcomes, we can hopefully take it a step further.

[SoN!c]

The only Thing i can come up with is that we have to stop searching for the Thing. Only 10% chance to find him..

But we can cover 60% so there is another way to crack this.

We just have to find the 40% that is certainly town.

[Charle]

The only Thing i can come up with is that we have to stop searching for the Thing. Only 10% chance to find him..

But we can cover 60% so there is another way to crack this.

We just have to find the 40% that is certainly town.

Yes, you are absolutely right. If we BT one person and vote to lynch another, we might get to a L-2 position and get some claims. This means for now we will probably sit with:
a. 1 player we know for sure is town (BT result)
b. another played who claimed at L-2 (we can decide if we trust that claim or not)
c. one person lynched.

This will give us a 1 out of 7 (actually 1/6 if you count yourself) chance on day 2 with some night actions info if there are any.

So I suggest let's move forward. My vote currently with Ragian for BT, but I can change that if you guys need me to.

[SoN!c]

Sonic might have a point here. Let's do it then. If Ragian tests negative, then we go for a different strategy.

Unvote

BT Ragian

I liked the Ragian theory but that was in the scenario he was the random converted one..

With DDS changing that to only 1 Original Thing it would make no sense for a mod to hint a strong clue (or even draw attention) towards the only player we need to find (because when you do it's game over).

For that reason alone Ragian has to be town. And Strike confirmed the joke thing very quickly. If Strike was The Thing staying silent a bit longer on the matter would be the better play. Only today you can trust 2 players confirming each other.

So i think we have to place Ragian and Strike in the 40% town we need to find. Degaston made a good impression too.

So with that my suspect is Trafalgar. And Trafalgar should have no problem taking the BT because taking the BT means you will stay alive through the entire game.

We would know an experienced player like Trafalgar is not The Thing just like Strike explained.

I feel a BT on Pix is just to easy, would rather BT someone else

This is exactly what i would think Trafalgar would say on D1 when he is The Thing. That and being too silent.

BT Trafalgarlaw01

[Charle]

Ok, I will swing my vote as soon as we have a few more players going in some direction.