so what are you saying that france initiated the arab spring all around magrheb in the first place? stop with you bs.
Who said we're celebrating anything (and how do you count 20 casualties by the way?)? All I know is that no one is going to give a shit about all this, life will go on just as before, your low life salafist friends can kiss my ass. Those cartoonists will be replaced by 10 cartoonists each. This is not going to soften our foreign policies, it's going to revigorate it. We are deploying our gigantic nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaule in the gulf to go kick some Daesh ass right now (Only the US has this type of nuclear aircraft carrier). What exactly are you condemning about human rights here? Special police forces are surrounding some assassins with hostage taking, is that what you call negation of human rights?
PS: Pétain was a war hero during WW1 and that's how he became marshall, so if he became a disgrace after WW2, doesn't mean he was that clueless in his whole career.
betiko wrote:so what are you saying that france initiated the arab spring all around magrheb in the first place? stop with you bs.
Who said we're celebrating anything (and how do you count 20 casualties by the way?)? All I know is that no one is going to give a shit about all this, life will go on just as before, your low life salafist friends can kiss my ass. Those cartoonists will be replaced by 10 cartoonists each. This is not going to soften our foreign policies, it's going to revigorate it. We are deploying our gigantic nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaule in the gulf to go kick some Daesh ass right now (Only the US has this type of nuclear aircraft carrier). What exactly are you condemning about human rights here? Special police forces are surrounding some assassins with hostage taking, is that what you call negation of human rights?
PS: Pétain was a war hero during WW1 and that's how he became marshall, so if he became a disgrace after WW2, doesn't mean he was that clueless in his whole career.
I don't think you understood anything I just said.
When Russia did the same thing in Chechnya against Salafist terrorists in the 90s, France was waving its chubby little arms in the air and screaming bloody murder. "C'est horrible! Horrible!" Total hypocrisy.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
betiko wrote:These guys are basically trolls... Back in 2006 when they heard that there were some drawings that were done in denmark that were supposed to be censored by extremist that were threatening... Well they had some balls and published them.
Personally, I don't think that was balls (he was counting on the police to step in and rescue him) or commendable (as I said, a bunch of innocent people are now dead because of this).
These guys are anarchists and don't count on the police. Maybe you consider it's having more balls to enter with kalashnikovs and rocket launchers in that journal to go kill some harmless cartoonists. All the people from this journal were totally in the same state of mind, ad did not fear the consequences of using their freedom of speech in a free country because a bunch of idiots were sending death threats.
Political cartoonists all around the world are often the most corrosive criticism towards society, and they are one of the best example of freedom of mind and courage. Sure, it's much more courageous to be a political cartoonist in a totalitarst regime. But these people are heroes. They will not let anyone pressure them to shut up.
If they're these big anarchists who don't count on the police then it's a shame they didn't tell their police escort that fact. He was shot on the sidewalk like a dog while trying to protect them from the consequences of their actions and they didn't even want him there.
5-6 people are taken hostage in a jewish deli. most likely the guy who killed a cop yesterday morning. It has been proven that this guy is from the same group as the 2 brothers who are taking hostage someone else in a printing factory.
So is it the 3 guys from charlie? or the 2 brothers from charlie + 1 guy on the loose... and a 4th shooter who killed a yesterday and is taking hostage right now?
betiko wrote:so what are you saying that france initiated the arab spring all around magrheb in the first place? stop with you bs.
Who said we're celebrating anything (and how do you count 20 casualties by the way?)? All I know is that no one is going to give a shit about all this, life will go on just as before, your low life salafist friends can kiss my ass. Those cartoonists will be replaced by 10 cartoonists each. This is not going to soften our foreign policies, it's going to revigorate it. We are deploying our gigantic nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaule in the gulf to go kick some Daesh ass right now (Only the US has this type of nuclear aircraft carrier). What exactly are you condemning about human rights here? Special police forces are surrounding some assassins with hostage taking, is that what you call negation of human rights?
PS: Pétain was a war hero during WW1 and that's how he became marshall, so if he became a disgrace after WW2, doesn't mean he was that clueless in his whole career.
I don't think you understood anything I just said.
When Russia did the same thing in Chechnya against Salafist terrorists in the 90s, France was waving its chubby little arms in the air and screaming bloody murder. "C'est horrible! Horrible!" Total hypocrisy.
I don't think you understand what was the situation in chechenya then. Russian mass murderning innocent chechenyans is ok in your books. And no, i was obviously being sarcastic calling them "your salafist friends". anyway, i'm done talking to you about all this.
betiko wrote: Russian mass murderning innocent chechenyans is ok in your books.
Algeria
yeah in the 60s france fucked up in algeria. not like the actual politicians or france's actual foreign policy has anything to do with it. Don't forget that part of the algerian population was against algeria's independence, the Harkis, and that they participated in the french genocide in that civil war. There was a huge european population living in algeria while it was french.
Now a days, the algerian are definitely the most problematic french descendants with origins. Tunisians and Moroccan are peaceful guys and algerians are a pain in the ass.
I watched American Sniper last night. It's pretty insane how some people are perfectly happy with smashing into every house in a neighbourhood and putting every person there under threat of death while seeing themselves as the victim.
It's sad that this movie is considered or was conceived to be Pro-American, showing these massive invasions on life, liberty and justice as a good American thing to do.
I like it how they portray like half the terrorists as women and children.
Sorry to the people of France. It really should be frowned upon for any country to be violently embroiled by a foreign power. I would hope foreign powers cease all activities meant to destabilize a nation.
Metsfanmax
Killing a human should not be worse than killing a pig.
It never ceases to amaze me just how far people will go to defend their core beliefs.
betiko wrote: Russian mass murderning innocent chechenyans is ok in your books.
Algeria
yeah in the 60s france fucked up in algeria. not like the actual politicians or france's actual foreign policy has anything to do with it. Don't forget that part of the algerian population was against algeria's independence, the Harkis, and that they participated in the french genocide in that civil war. There was a huge european population living in algeria while it was french.
Oh, okay, I see.
Algeria was too complex of a situation to lay blame anywhere. There were a variety of multi-dimensional factors that must be taken into consideration and a holistic view will require analysis of the competing social agendas of different stakeholders in the political process.
Chechnya different. Russians bad.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
betiko wrote: Russian mass murderning innocent chechenyans is ok in your books.
Algeria
yeah in the 60s france fucked up in algeria. not like the actual politicians or france's actual foreign policy has anything to do with it. Don't forget that part of the algerian population was against algeria's independence, the Harkis, and that they participated in the french genocide in that civil war. There was a huge european population living in algeria while it was french.
Oh, okay, I see.
Algeria was too complex of a situation to lay blame anywhere. There were a variety of multi-dimensional factors that must be taken into consideration and a holistic view will require analysis of the competing social agendas of different stakeholders in the political process.
Chechnya different. Russians bad.
what do you not understand in "france fucked up in the 60s"?
_sabotage_ wrote:I watched American Sniper last night. It's pretty insane how some people are perfectly happy with smashing into every house in a neighbourhood and putting every person there under threat of death while seeing themselves as the victim.
It's sad that this movie is considered or was conceived to be Pro-American, showing these massive invasions on life, liberty and justice as a good American thing to do.
I like it how they portray like half the terrorists as women and children.
Sorry to the people of France. It really should be frowned upon for any country to be violently embroiled by a foreign power. I would hope foreign powers cease all activities meant to destabilize a nation.
I don't think the point of the movie was to celebrate the war. I think the point of the movie was to show how fucked up this dude is.
betiko wrote: Russian mass murderning innocent chechenyans is ok in your books.
Algeria
yeah in the 60s france fucked up in algeria. not like the actual politicians or france's actual foreign policy has anything to do with it. Don't forget that part of the algerian population was against algeria's independence, the Harkis, and that they participated in the french genocide in that civil war. There was a huge european population living in algeria while it was french.
Oh, okay, I see.
Algeria was too complex of a situation to lay blame anywhere. There were a variety of multi-dimensional factors that must be taken into consideration and a holistic view will require analysis of the competing social agendas of different stakeholders in the political process.
Chechnya different. Russians bad.
what do you not understand in "france fucked up in the 60s"?
I saw "France fucked up in the 60s" followed by a caveat explaining why France didn't actually f*ck up at all.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
_sabotage_ wrote:I watched American Sniper last night. It's pretty insane how some people are perfectly happy with smashing into every house in a neighbourhood and putting every person there under threat of death while seeing themselves as the victim.
It's sad that this movie is considered or was conceived to be Pro-American, showing these massive invasions on life, liberty and justice as a good American thing to do.
I like it how they portray like half the terrorists as women and children.
Sorry to the people of France. It really should be frowned upon for any country to be violently embroiled by a foreign power. I would hope foreign powers cease all activities meant to destabilize a nation.
this isn't a foreign power. it's a bunch of low lifes trying to find a purpose.
Those 2 brothers were a couple of shit stains from Reims who came to paris to become footballers. they were too shitty for it, so they changed their careers to terorists.
betiko wrote: Russian mass murderning innocent chechenyans is ok in your books.
Algeria
yeah in the 60s france fucked up in algeria. not like the actual politicians or france's actual foreign policy has anything to do with it. Don't forget that part of the algerian population was against algeria's independence, the Harkis, and that they participated in the french genocide in that civil war. There was a huge european population living in algeria while it was french.
Oh, okay, I see.
Algeria was too complex of a situation to lay blame anywhere. There were a variety of multi-dimensional factors that must be taken into consideration and a holistic view will require analysis of the competing social agendas of different stakeholders in the political process.
Chechnya different. Russians bad.
what do you not understand in "france fucked up in the 60s"?
I saw "France fucked up in the 60s" followed by a caveat explaining why France didn't actually f*ck up at all.
you just linked it to actual foreign policies. a lot of things have changed in 50 years. There has been some public forgiveness asked by france to the people of algeria in the late 90s (or was it early 2000s?) when Chirac was our president.
sounds like there is a dangerous arab girl on the loose... i don't really get all what's happening...
so wednesday 12 killed at charlie hebdo, including 5 famous cartoonists and 2 cops (3 guys)
thursday: 1 cop killed (by one of those 3 guys on the loose?)
friday: the 2 brothers from the charlie attack are taking 1 person hostage in a small town around paris in printing factory; 1 guy taking hostage 5 people in a jewish deli that has most likely killed 2 people and is taking 5 hostage...
Then I see something about a police search regarding a black guy and an arab girl... is the guy the one in the deli and the arab girl is on the loose? or are the black guy and the arab girl taking the hostages in the deli? they keep on talking of just 1 guy in the deli...
TGD, my son wasn't feeling well, so I only got like halfway through. But I can see how it was open to diverse perception. I was actually thinking how differently my uncle and some of my Pakistani friends may react to it.
Betiko, I don't condone the Paris attack any more than the preceding centuries that France has held the aggressor position in the natio's where shitty footballers may think they have an appreciative audience for such an attack.
Metsfanmax
Killing a human should not be worse than killing a pig.
It never ceases to amaze me just how far people will go to defend their core beliefs.
Actually 5 killed in the jewish deli, and 3 hostages.. So i guess in the jewish deli there were the black guy and his arab wife... The couple that murdered a female police officer yesterday.
So only 2/5 hostages survived? All still a bit unclear.
The hostage in the printing factory was safe.
It s pretty funny how stupid people are in french media.. They are quite sad that we couldn t catch the terrorists alive.
Not really getting the numbers here.. So in the deli, the terrorist started killing 3 hostages before the assault... Then they say that there are 5 dead including the terrorist... Also 4 people are badly injured...
betiko wrote:It s pretty funny how stupid people are in french media.. They are quite sad that we couldn t catch the terrorists alive
The prospect of getting captured, put on trial and then spending decades being tag teamed in prison is probably more daunting than knowing you can make your big statement and then take a quick, easy exit at the hands of a police marksmen. For the sake of deterring future Columbiners, it's probably better if you can catch people like these guys alive and then show everyone the long, miserable wait for death that they will have to endure as a result of their actions.
betiko wrote:It s pretty funny how stupid people are in french media.. They are quite sad that we couldn t catch the terrorists alive
The prospect of getting captured, put on trial and then spending decades being tag teamed in prison is probably more daunting than knowing you can make your big statement and then take a quick, easy exit at the hands of a police marksmen. For the sake of deterring future Columbiners, it's probably better if you can catch people like these guys alive and then show everyone the long, miserable wait for death that they will have to endure as a result of their actions.
I don t agree. Society has to pay for these pieces of shit to be in prison. But the biggest issue being that they can lead other people in prison into extremism. The black dude was a petty thug that spent 18 years in prison after numerous robberies, and became a radical islamist while in prison.
betiko wrote:
yeah so as in your first example in mali, i guess the best thing was just to let the massacre happen and tell the french malian descendants/malian immigrants living here that we didn't see anything.
There would have been no massacre in Mali had France not attacked Libya. The situation in Mali collapsed because the truce Col. Qaddafi brokered between the Tuaregs and Bamako disintegrated when he entered immortality.
France has been stumbling from one disaster to the next for decades. And now it's too late for France to change direction in its disastrous foreign policy. There are no more barriers left holding back the Salafists; France, America and the UK (and all of their muppets in Europe) have removed the last of them.
