Conquer Club

Phatscotty wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Or Holmes propped the door open earlier, went to his car, donned the armor and guns, and then re-entered through the exit door.

The police confirmed this.

Maybe the guy is protecting his buddy. This is an interesting story

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/252995 ... e-theater-

A man who was at the Colorado movie theater where a dozen people were killed this morning, says he saw the gunman.

He says he thinks someone deliberately let the gunman inside once the movie started.

Here's what he told TV station KCNC this morning live on their newscast.

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"As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place."

I'm pretty sure it was the same person: he left the theater after propping the door open in order to come back around and re-enter with his equipment.

Night Strike wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Or Holmes propped the door open earlier, went to his car, donned the armor and guns, and then re-entered through the exit door.

The police confirmed this.

Maybe the guy is protecting his buddy. This is an interesting story

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/252995 ... e-theater-

A man who was at the Colorado movie theater where a dozen people were killed this morning, says he saw the gunman.

He says he thinks someone deliberately let the gunman inside once the movie started.

Here's what he told TV station KCNC this morning live on their newscast.

Expanded coverage

"As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place."

I'm pretty sure it was the same person: he left the theater after propping the door open in order to come back around and re-enter with his equipment.

Yeah, I know. Just sharing.

But separately, I have been anxious to hear some statements from survivors. There is one individual who is a Navy vet I think, and I was listening to his story about how he saved his two friends lives by laying on top of them while he had already been shot twice. He said the first thing he was going to do when he gets out of the hospital is to go back to the same theater and sit in the same seat and watch The Dark Knight Rises.

I read that one of the victims had previously survived a mass shooting at a mall in Toronto. That's pretty messed up. You survive one mass shooting, and then later you get killed in another mass shooting. What kind of luck did that lady have?

Phatscotty wrote:But separately, I have been anxious to hear some statements from survivors. There is one individual who is a Navy vet I think, and I was listening to his story about how he saved his two friends lives by laying on top of them while he had already been shot twice. He said the first thing he was going to do when he gets out of the hospital is to go back to the same theater and sit in the same seat and watch The Dark Knight Rises.

There's a story about how one military man sacrificed his life to protect his girlfriend. Fox News had an interview this afternoon with the woman who lives in the apartment beneath the shooter: she nearly opened his apartment door to turn off the music but at the last moment she decided not to. If she had opened that door, the entire situation would have been much worse (plus it would have been harder to find evidence of this person's background).

tkr4lf wrote:I read that one of the victims had previously survived a mass shooting at a mall in Toronto. That's pretty messed up. You survive one mass shooting, and then later you get killed in another mass shooting. What kind of luck did that lady have?

Dude needs to start playing the lotto.

...what?

Phatscotty wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:I read that one of the victims had previously survived a mass shooting at a mall in Toronto. That's pretty messed up. You survive one mass shooting, and then later you get killed in another mass shooting. What kind of luck did that lady have?

Dude needs to start playing the lotto.

It's a female, and she's dead, so I doubt she's going to start playing the lottery.

tkr4lf wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:I read that one of the victims had previously survived a mass shooting at a mall in Toronto. That's pretty messed up. You survive one mass shooting, and then later you get killed in another mass shooting. What kind of luck did that lady have?

Dude needs to start playing the lotto.

It's a female, and she's dead, so I doubt she's going to start playing the lottery.

oh, missed the part about how she got killed. I thought we were talking about survivors.

Army of GOD wrote:just saw this from someone's Facetbook



THE FACTS HAVE SPOKEN

I just talked to my grandma about the whole shooting. Such a sweet old lady. anyways, I was floored when I head her start bitching about how there wasn't a single person around with a gun who could stop the shooter, and then told me she gave 20$ to the NRA.

I'm pretty sure that girl was in Final Destination or some shit.

Phatscotty wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Or Holmes propped the door open earlier, went to his car, donned the armor and guns, and then re-entered through the exit door.

The police confirmed this.

Maybe the guy is protecting his buddy. This is an interesting story

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/252995 ... e-theater-

A man who was at the Colorado movie theater where a dozen people were killed this morning, says he saw the gunman.

He says he thinks someone deliberately let the gunman inside once the movie started.

Here's what he told TV station KCNC this morning live on their newscast.

Expanded coverage

"As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place."

And? That's a vague account. It still doesn't rule out the likelihood that the man with the cell phone who walked out the emergency door was also the shooter.

Besides, having another accomplice increases the risk unnecessarily for Holmes, so why outsource the job when it can just as effectively and safely be performed by himself?

moved from TDKR

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

puppydog85 wrote:And the reason you knew you were safe?

Phatscotty claims he knows how to handle a weapon. That's why he worded it the way he did...he likes to talk about it, so people won't think he's just a poser, but he hasn't figured out that's why so many of us think he's a poser. troll

The reason I knew I was 100% safe is because there is a law saying nobody can bring guns into a movie theater. and there is sign outside the theater that says "no guns allowed on this premise"

So, a sign that says, "gun-free zone," somehow makes you safer? Recall how people with guns and the intent to kill don't really care about signs.

It was a joke.

Quick story. When Minnesota passed conceal and carry recently, there were articles all over our newspapers about how we were going to turn into the wild wild west, and there were going to be shootouts in the streets over minor disputes, chaos, anarchy etc.... Well the law passed, and businesses everywhere promptly put up sign saying "Guns not permitted on this property". It is not unlawful to ignore that sign though, and it's mostly for insurance reasons. However, what businesses soon realized was that their signs in fact attracted criminals. Slowly, those signed began to come down, and sanity has prevailed! Oh and btw, since the passage of conceal and carry (soon to be expanded to stand your ground) crime has plummeted.
Minnesota Crime Rate Falls to Lowest Level Since the Moon Landing

Violent crime is down in Minnesota across the board:

· Minnesota's homicide rate of 2.1 incidents per 100,000 residents is at its lowest level since 1985 (2.1), falling 4.5 percent from 2007.
· The rate of forcible rape of 34.6 is at the lowest level since 1990 (34.0), dropping 3.3 percent from a year ago.
· The robbery rate of 80.0 is down 12.9 percent from 2007 and marks a 4-year low.
· Likewise, the aggravated assault rate of 146.1 is at a 4-year low, and down 7.9 percent from 2007.

How has Minnesota weathered the depression since 2008?

BigBallinStalin wrote:How has Minnesota weathered the depression since 2008?

better than most, and for many reasons. Our real estate got crushed, of course not as bad as California or Florida, but our unemployment rate has never been above 8% (I think) and we currently boast a budget surplus. Many large Corporations are headquartered out of Minnesota. 3M, Medtronic, St Jude, General Mills, Best Buy, Target, United Health Group, Supervalu, Hormel, Polaris, Buffalo Wild Wings, Caribou Coffee, US Bank Corp, Xcel Energy, Fastenal, Valspar, TCF, Famous Daves, Toro, Ecolab, just to name a few.....

Plymouth, Minnesota, rated best city to live in all across America

We have always been a blue state (the only one to go for Mondale in 84) but in my lifetime I have considered it purple. Jesse Ventura got elected here, Michelle Bachmann will retire here, and Tim Pawlenty was re-elected here, but of course Al Franken (media matters/moveon.org) and Amy Klobochar (Soros) more than erase that.

I should note that, on a state level, the Tea Party dominated the Congressional elections in 2010, controlling super majorities. In fact the Tea Party Republican candidate Tom Emmer only lost by 6,000 votes to Mark Dayton (Soros), of the Billion dollar Dayton retail dynasty. We are getting everything from our platform that we wanted that we can do without the governor, and that includes constitutional amendments. This fall we are voting on Voter-ID, currently polling around 80% support, as well as expanding conceal carry laws and other things like tort reform and some kind of blockages of Obamacare.

The Ron Paul/Libertarian wing recently gained control of the state party here, and we have a Senate candidate running who Ron Paul has officially endorsed named Kurt Bills. We have a real chance to join Wisconsin and make Minnesota a red state this November, and I think it's because our policies are working pretty good on a state level, and our recent governor may very well be the next Vice President.

Thanks for asking. I love my state and love talking about it!

Phatscotty wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:I read that one of the victims had previously survived a mass shooting at a mall in Toronto. That's pretty messed up. You survive one mass shooting, and then later you get killed in another mass shooting. What kind of luck did that lady have?

Dude needs to start playing the lotto.

It's a female, and she's dead, so I doubt she's going to start playing the lottery.

oh, missed the part about how she got killed. I thought we were talking about survivors.

Oh, thats ok. That was just a relevant fact you ignored. Happens all the time, though this one, is somewhat inexplicable. Looks like you read the first sentence and ignored the third, which, isn't surprising, and would be funny, if your reply were not disgustingly inappropriate.

But again, not like its the first time.

Phatscotty wrote:moved from TDKR

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

puppydog85 wrote:And the reason you knew you were safe?

Phatscotty claims he knows how to handle a weapon. That's why he worded it the way he did...he likes to talk about it, so people won't think he's just a poser, but he hasn't figured out that's why so many of us think he's a poser. troll

The reason I knew I was 100% safe is because there is a law saying nobody can bring guns into a movie theater. and there is sign outside the theater that says "no guns allowed on this premise"

So, a sign that says, "gun-free zone," somehow makes you safer? Recall how people with guns and the intent to kill don't really care about signs.

It was a joke.

Quick story. When Minnesota passed conceal and carry recently, there were articles all over our newspapers about how we were going to turn into the wild wild west, and there were going to be shootouts in the streets over minor disputes, chaos, anarchy etc.... Well the law passed, and businesses everywhere promptly put up sign saying "Guns not permitted on this property". It is not unlawful to ignore that sign though, and it's mostly for insurance reasons. However, what businesses soon realized was that their signs in fact attracted criminals. Slowly, those signed began to come down, and sanity has prevailed! Oh and btw, since the passage of conceal and carry (soon to be expanded to stand your ground) crime has plummeted.
Minnesota Crime Rate Falls to Lowest Level Since the Moon Landing

Violent crime is down in Minnesota across the board:

· Minnesota's homicide rate of 2.1 incidents per 100,000 residents is at its lowest level since 1985 (2.1), falling 4.5 percent from 2007.
· The rate of forcible rape of 34.6 is at the lowest level since 1990 (34.0), dropping 3.3 percent from a year ago.
· The robbery rate of 80.0 is down 12.9 percent from 2007 and marks a 4-year low.
· Likewise, the aggravated assault rate of 146.1 is at a 4-year low, and down 7.9 percent from 2007.

the two aren't necessarily related. It's probably some other factor and crime is likely unrelated to gun ownership levels (though how amounts of gun ownership likely increases lethality of crime).

Baron Von PWN wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:moved from TDKR

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

puppydog85 wrote:And the reason you knew you were safe?

Phatscotty claims he knows how to handle a weapon. That's why he worded it the way he did...he likes to talk about it, so people won't think he's just a poser, but he hasn't figured out that's why so many of us think he's a poser. troll

The reason I knew I was 100% safe is because there is a law saying nobody can bring guns into a movie theater. and there is sign outside the theater that says "no guns allowed on this premise"

So, a sign that says, "gun-free zone," somehow makes you safer? Recall how people with guns and the intent to kill don't really care about signs.

It was a joke.

Quick story. When Minnesota passed conceal and carry recently, there were articles all over our newspapers about how we were going to turn into the wild wild west, and there were going to be shootouts in the streets over minor disputes, chaos, anarchy etc.... Well the law passed, and businesses everywhere promptly put up sign saying "Guns not permitted on this property". It is not unlawful to ignore that sign though, and it's mostly for insurance reasons. However, what businesses soon realized was that their signs in fact attracted criminals. Slowly, those signed began to come down, and sanity has prevailed! Oh and btw, since the passage of conceal and carry (soon to be expanded to stand your ground) crime has plummeted.
Minnesota Crime Rate Falls to Lowest Level Since the Moon Landing

Violent crime is down in Minnesota across the board:

· Minnesota's homicide rate of 2.1 incidents per 100,000 residents is at its lowest level since 1985 (2.1), falling 4.5 percent from 2007.
· The rate of forcible rape of 34.6 is at the lowest level since 1990 (34.0), dropping 3.3 percent from a year ago.
· The robbery rate of 80.0 is down 12.9 percent from 2007 and marks a 4-year low.
· Likewise, the aggravated assault rate of 146.1 is at a 4-year low, and down 7.9 percent from 2007.

the two aren't necessarily related. It's probably some other factor and crime is likely unrelated to gun ownership levels (though how amounts of gun ownership likely increases lethality of crime).

Most of the supposed explanations listed in Table 1 actually played little direct role in the crime decline, including the strong economy of the 1990s, changing demo-graphics, better policing strategies, gun control laws, concealed weapons laws and increased use of the death penalty. Four factors, however, can account for virtually all of the observed decline in crime: increases in the number of police, the rising prison population, the waning crack epidemic and the legalization of abortion.[1

]

(1st and 2nd pages, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpricetheory.uchicago.edu%2Flevitt%2FPapers%2FLevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf&ei=US0MUO73KeHI2gXW4bkf&usg=AFQjCNHqWNThdafe1fxUvsHYaYU9hIMKKQ

But it's highly debatable.

Others mention the change in laws during the 1990s regarding private security (i.e. deregulation, or freer market for law and order/security), whose officers now total more than public police officers.

Malcolm Gladwell in his book The Tipping Point suggests that a change in policing strategies in NY which arresting for misdemeanors more fiercely and the cleaning up of subway cars were the main causes.

Mark Kleiman (When Brute Force Fails) mentions causes which work more effectively in reducing crime:

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http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9018.html

rdsrds2120 wrote:Et tu, Mr Destructo? sums up my feelings concerning gun control on this case precisely:

Eh, Phatscotty could've taken him. You have no faith!

john9blue wrote:i have always wondered why nobody in a crowd will tackle/subdue someone who is firing a gun at them.

It happens, actually. There was a teacher at a recent school shooting that went chasing after one of the gunmen. But most people don't have the training to understand how to do such a thing without being killed in the process or the reaction responses to react that quickly, and so end up Phatscottying behind a wall somewhere. You have to keep in mind that this sort of thing doesn't take much time.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Most of the supposed explanations listed in Table 1 actually played little direct role in the crime decline, including the strong economy of the 1990s, changing demo-graphics, better policing strategies, gun control laws, concealed weapons laws and increased use of the death penalty. Four factors, however, can account for virtually all of the observed decline in crime: increases in the number of police, the rising prison population, the waning crack epidemic and the legalization of abortion.[1

]

I find myself exceptionally confused by that fourth one. Anyone care to explain how that particularly decreases crime (other than the fact that it specifically isn't a crime itself, I guess?)?

Woodruff wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Most of the supposed explanations listed in Table 1 actually played little direct role in the crime decline, including the strong economy of the 1990s, changing demo-graphics, better policing strategies, gun control laws, concealed weapons laws and increased use of the death penalty. Four factors, however, can account for virtually all of the observed decline in crime: increases in the number of police, the rising prison population, the waning crack epidemic and the legalization of abortion.[1

]

I find myself exceptionally confused by that fourth one. Anyone care to explain how that particularly decreases crime (other than the fact that it specifically isn't a crime itself, I guess?)?

There's a strong positive correlation between being an unwanted child and seeking a life of crime (I forget the exact variables used because I read that article years ago). When abortion was legalized, a large portion of abortions were due to reasons like "can't afford the kid." This spike in abortions is reflected in later decreased crime because had those kids been born, there would've been an upward pressure on crime. In other words, the loss of unwanted kids later resulted in a decrease in crime.

It's also "common sense" that a criminal will prefer to commit crime in a place where they know there aren't any opposing guns.

Its common sense that fewer guns will lead to fewer homocides but common sense is in short supply it seems

comic boy wrote:Its common sense that fewer guns will lead to fewer homocides but common sense is in short supply it seems

It's common sense that fewer guns means force abusers will be the only ones who have them.

Are you a Communist sir?