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Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:48 pm
by bedub1
nietzsche wrote:bedub1 wrote:First, Bill Gates is a Role Model, and not in charge of Microsoft anymore.
This needs to be repeated. Bill Gates is a Role Model, he gave a super big chunk of his money in Charity, and furthermore he is trying to convince others to give some of their fortune for charity as well.
He tried to convince Carlos Slim but I believe Bill Gates got out of the meeting having agreed to give a part of the money he had left to Slim.
I don't know anybody who is a better person, and a better role model, than bill gates. Nobody in Hollywood, nobody in politics, nobody in religions, nobody in business. Bill Gates is in a league of his own.
DiM - I think they are making fun of the OS.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:53 pm
by natty dread
DiM wrote:yep. bullshit.
ofcourse you have to realise the situation of each country.
what might seem torture and slavery to an englishman could very well be heaven on earth for somebody in a poor country.
natty dread wrote:"We were put to work without any training, and paid piecemeal," said one of the protesting workers, who asked not to be named. "The assembly line ran very fast and after just one morning we all had blisters and the skin on our hand was black. The factory was also really choked with dust and no one could bear it," he said.
If the workers are protesting, it doesn't seem like
they think it's "heaven on earth".
DiM wrote:so for people like these, trust me living at a chinese apple factory is a dream come true.
I wish I'd also have the power of telling people how they feel about things.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:54 pm
by natty dread
DiM wrote:lol. you're joking, right? those guys appear to be some sort of idiots.
when the review started one of the guys says:
G1: "wow, the icons are so flat and nice and especially big"
and the other guy says:
G2: "you're right. it's awesome the icons are so big. now i can throw away my 28" monitor and use a 17" because even on a 17" screen i'll see the icons perfectly."
G1: "imagine how much office space you'll save and how cheaper the 17" monitor is compared to a 28" one.
at this point i'm thinking: "are these guys retarded? you get a 28" to see the icons of the old windows? you didn't get it for movies/games/photo editing?"
couldn't watch after this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:58 pm
by DiM
bedub1 wrote:DiM - I think they are making fun of the OS.
my bad. i only watched like 40 seconds.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:17 pm
by DiM
natty dread wrote:DiM wrote:yep. bullshit.
ofcourse you have to realise the situation of each country.
what might seem torture and slavery to an englishman could very well be heaven on earth for somebody in a poor country.
natty dread wrote:"We were put to work without any training, and paid piecemeal," said one of the protesting workers, who asked not to be named. "The assembly line ran very fast and after just one morning we all had blisters and the skin on our hand was black. The factory was also really choked with dust and no one could bear it," he said.
If the workers are protesting, it doesn't seem like
they think it's "heaven on earth".
DiM wrote:so for people like these, trust me living at a chinese apple factory is a dream come true.
oh come on that's bullshit.
if i go on the street and ask random people if they're happy about their job they'll start to immediately complain, most of the time exaggerating. they'll complain about the amount of work about the hours and mostly about the pay. then if i ask them if they'd be willing to quit and look for something better they'll say "hell no"
and if i work at a newspaper i'll go and publish that those guys were protesters. let's be serious, the media (which you're so eager to quote) inflates facts and dramatizes as much as possible.
most westerners i've met can't/won't understand how these things work because they haven't witnessed it. try going to a poor country for a month or so. even when confronted with clear facts they can't accept some things because not only they've never seen such poverty but they haven't even bothered to think about it before. they have no comparison they can't even imagine.
also about "insanely large amount of suicides at foxconn". you make me laugh. 18 people jumped and 14 died, in one year.
the media made it look like those poor people are so damn miserable they're constantly suiciding.
in fact the average suicide rate in china is 22/100k (according to the government, some sources put the suicide rate as high as 30/100k). foxconn employs 1.2 million people in china. judging by the average rate there should be far more than 14 successful suicides per year. if we crunch the numbers it should be somewhere around 264.
so to me those people seem fairly happy if the suicide rate among the foxconn workers is 95% lower than the country's average.
the fact that foxconn bothered to install safety nets and hire counsellors only further proves that the working conditions there are far better than most of the other work places in china.
but don't worry, keep reading misinformed bullshit and don't do research, it's easier this way. i had greater expectations from you since you're always saying you're not a trend follower, you're not a sheep in the flock, etc. you're a linux not a windows, a gimp not a photoshop etc.
well, you just proved that, at least on this matter, you're just like the rest of the masses.
a word of advice. never, ever hear/read/watch news and make judgements on the spot. do research then draw your conclusions. in many places (don't know about finland) the quest for exciting/outrageous headlines is far more important than the truth.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:27 pm
by rdsrds2120
Army of GOD wrote:If this is Windows 8, then I can safely say I'll never go near it. Also, I lol'd how Solitaire never worked.
I'm probably just going to get Linux on my next laptop anyway. I don't use my laptop for games or anything so I don't need it to be ridiculously advanced.
I just watched that video for the first time, and I almost feel like they messed that up on purpose to make it look bad.
A couple of things:
1) None of my apps have taken more than 2 seconds to boot up
2) It looks like they purposely left out most of the hover/drag commands (which are pretty easy, btw) and switched to doing things manually to make it look harder
3) On your Metro screen, you can start typing the name of a program you don't have pinned, and it brings them up like Aero search, and it's still wicked fast.
4) That's not the only way to turn the sound up. This was one thing that I feel that they must have done on purpose, because there's no way they missed that you can turn it up on-screen normally from the Desktop as well.
5) No, you're not actually SUPPOSED to spend most of your time on the Metro screen. You spend most of your time on whichever screen you want.
That's just 5 things that the video misrepresented. All in all, a horribly dishonest/facetious review.
-rd
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:33 pm
by Army of GOD
rdsrds2120 wrote:Army of GOD wrote:If this is Windows 8, then I can safely say I'll never go near it. Also, I lol'd how Solitaire never worked.
I'm probably just going to get Linux on my next laptop anyway. I don't use my laptop for games or anything so I don't need it to be ridiculously advanced.
I just watched that video for the first time, and I almost feel like they messed that up on purpose to make it look bad.
A couple of things:
1) None of my apps have taken more than 2 seconds to boot up
2) It looks like they purposely left out most of the hover/drag commands (which are pretty easy, btw) and switched to doing things manually to make it look harder
3) On your Metro screen, you can start typing the name of a program you don't have pinned, and it brings them up like Aero search, and it's still wicked fast.
4) That's not the only way to turn the sound up. This was one thing that I feel that they must have done on purpose, because there's no way they missed that you can turn it up on-screen normally from the Desktop as well.
5) No, you're not actually SUPPOSED to spend most of your time on the Metro screen. You spend most of your time on whichever screen you want.
That's just 5 things that the video misrepresented. All in all, a horribly dishonest/facetious review.
-rd
Regardless, it still looks terrible. And like natty already pointed out, it was all satirical, so to take the video seriously is a bit dishonest (like using Family Guy as a political point or something).
I'm very unimpressed by Windows 7 and Vista back when I had that and 8 seems like it'll be more of the same. It seems like they're trying to make it more of a Mac OS, honestly.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:16 pm
by rdsrds2120
Army of GOD wrote:If this is Windows 8, then I can safely say I'll never go near it.
Army of GOD wrote:And like natty already pointed out, it was all satirical, so to take the video seriously is a bit dishonest (like using Family Guy as a political point or something).
I'm very unimpressed by Windows 7 and Vista back when I had that and 8 seems like it'll be more of the same. It seems like they're trying to make it more of a Mac OS, honestly.
You weren't being clear that you weren't being serious =[
-rd
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:29 pm
by Army of GOD
rdsrds2120 wrote:Army of GOD wrote:If this is Windows 8, then I can safely say I'll never go near it.
Army of GOD wrote:And like natty already pointed out, it was all satirical, so to take the video seriously is a bit dishonest (like using Family Guy as a political point or something).
I'm very unimpressed by Windows 7 and Vista back when I had that and 8 seems like it'll be more of the same. It seems like they're trying to make it more of a Mac OS, honestly.
You weren't being clear that you weren't being serious =[
-rd
Their narration and actions had nothing to do with my choosing not to use Windows 8 in the future.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:34 pm
by rdsrds2120
Damn it.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:28 am
by natty dread
DiM wrote:natty dread wrote:DiM wrote:yep. bullshit.
ofcourse you have to realise the situation of each country.
what might seem torture and slavery to an englishman could very well be heaven on earth for somebody in a poor country.
natty dread wrote:"We were put to work without any training, and paid piecemeal," said one of the protesting workers, who asked not to be named. "The assembly line ran very fast and after just one morning we all had blisters and the skin on our hand was black. The factory was also really choked with dust and no one could bear it," he said.
If the workers are protesting, it doesn't seem like
they think it's "heaven on earth".
DiM wrote:so for people like these, trust me living at a chinese apple factory is a dream come true.
oh come on that's bullshit.
if i go on the street and ask random people if they're happy about their job they'll start to immediately complain, most of the time exaggerating. they'll complain about the amount of work about the hours and mostly about the pay. then if i ask them if they'd be willing to quit and look for something better they'll say "hell no"
and if i work at a newspaper i'll go and publish that those guys were protesters. let's be serious, the media (which you're so eager to quote) inflates facts and dramatizes as much as possible.
So, the workers say they don't like their conditions, you say it's heaven on earth for them.
The workers say they're protesting, you say they're not really protesting.
Oh... and because "media always lies" it doesn't matter what the news articles say.
Riiiiiiight.
most westerners i've met can't/won't understand how these things work because they haven't witnessed it. try going to a poor country for a month or so. even when confronted with clear facts they can't accept some things because not only they've never seen such poverty but they haven't even bothered to think about it before. they have no comparison they can't even imagine.
So, we stupid westerners cannot understand that when the workers say they are unhappy, it actually means they're having the time of their life.
so to me those people seem fairly happy if the suicide rate among the foxconn workers is 95% lower than the country's average.
Ok, well, next time you complain about something, I'm just going to say "hey, I can't take your complaint seriously - you still haven't killed yourself so you must be fairly happy".
the fact that foxconn bothered to install safety nets and hire counsellors only further proves that the working conditions there are far better than most of the other work places in china.
Right, it doesn't matter that the workers themselves say the conditions are horrible, and are protesting and threatening to commit suicide if the conditions don't improve.
That conditions in the rest of the country are bad, that other factories have poor conditions, is no excuse. Apple, et al. have money. They could raise the price of ipad for another 50$ and improve the conditions in their factories. The fanboys wouldn't mind, they'll pay whatever apple says blindly. But they just keep perpetuating a system that takes advantage of the conditions of developing countries and people's need of money there.
You know the entire lifestyle of western countries is unsustainable, right? We create way too much shit, we consume way too much shit that we throw away after it breaks (in most cases because stuff is designed to break these days, just so we can consume more shit) or we get bored of it, and the poor countries work their asses off to manufacture that shit for us. The entire process wastes huge amounts of resources, creates tons of pollution and waste, just so huge corporations can squeeze out a bit more profit.
but don't worry, keep reading misinformed bullshit and don't do research, it's easier this way. i had greater expectations from you since you're always saying you're not a trend follower, you're not a sheep in the flock, etc. you're a linux not a windows, a gimp not a photoshop etc.
well, you just proved that, at least on this matter, you're just like the rest of the masses.
a word of advice. never, ever hear/read/watch news and make judgements on the spot. do research then draw your conclusions. in many places (don't know about finland) the quest for exciting/outrageous headlines is far more important than the truth.
Ok, since you've obviously done all the research, show me the evidence you found that suggests that the workers aren't actually protesting?
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:37 am
by natty dread
rdsrds2120 wrote:Army of GOD wrote:If this is Windows 8, then I can safely say I'll never go near it. Also, I lol'd how Solitaire never worked.
I'm probably just going to get Linux on my next laptop anyway. I don't use my laptop for games or anything so I don't need it to be ridiculously advanced.
I just watched that video for the first time, and I almost feel like they messed that up on purpose to make it look bad.
A couple of things:
1) None of my apps have taken more than 2 seconds to boot up
2) It looks like they purposely left out most of the hover/drag commands (which are pretty easy, btw) and switched to doing things manually to make it look harder
3) On your Metro screen, you can start typing the name of a program you don't have pinned, and it brings them up like Aero search, and it's still wicked fast.
4) That's not the only way to turn the sound up. This was one thing that I feel that they must have done on purpose, because there's no way they missed that you can turn it up on-screen normally from the Desktop as well.
5) No, you're not actually SUPPOSED to spend most of your time on the Metro screen. You spend most of your time on whichever screen you want.
That's just 5 things that the video misrepresented. All in all, a horribly dishonest/facetious review.
-rd
1 - personal anecdote, just because you've had that experience doesn't mean most people have had the same experience
2 - hover/drag commands suck- you can't make a mouse-operated system work like a touchscreen tablet
3 - so?
4 - doesn't invalidate the complaints about that other volume control
5 - really? But Micro$oft is trying to get all the new applications to be developed as metro apps. Like how the next version of the free version of visual studio only creates metro apps or web apps. So it's obvious that they attempt to get most of the apps to be developed as metro apps in the future.
Yeah, who needs stuff like windowing, anyway. I'm so nostalgic for the old dos times when you could only use one program at a time. <--- sarcasm
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:55 am
by rdsrds2120
natty dread wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote:Army of GOD wrote:If this is Windows 8, then I can safely say I'll never go near it. Also, I lol'd how Solitaire never worked.
I'm probably just going to get Linux on my next laptop anyway. I don't use my laptop for games or anything so I don't need it to be ridiculously advanced.
I just watched that video for the first time, and I almost feel like they messed that up on purpose to make it look bad.
A couple of things:
1) None of my apps have taken more than 2 seconds to boot up
2) It looks like they purposely left out most of the hover/drag commands (which are pretty easy, btw) and switched to doing things manually to make it look harder
3) On your Metro screen, you can start typing the name of a program you don't have pinned, and it brings them up like Aero search, and it's still wicked fast.
4) That's not the only way to turn the sound up. This was one thing that I feel that they must have done on purpose, because there's no way they missed that you can turn it up on-screen normally from the Desktop as well.
5) No, you're not actually SUPPOSED to spend most of your time on the Metro screen. You spend most of your time on whichever screen you want.
That's just 5 things that the video misrepresented. All in all, a horribly dishonest/facetious review.
-rd
1 - personal anecdote, just because you've had that experience doesn't mean most people have had the same experience
I was providing contrast to the video, which showed only how slowly the apps could function.2 - hover/drag commands suck- you can't make a mouse-operated system work like a touchscreen tablet
They're fine. 3 - so?
This was to correct the video people when they said the way we open programs now is through Windows Explorer. No, that isn't how they're opened from now on. 4 - doesn't invalidate the complaints about that other volume control
The major complaint they seemed to have was that it took too many steps to get to. If there's on on the desktop, what trouble is it if there's also another one somewhere else? Also, from who I know, most people use their keyboard shortcuts to change their volume, anyway.5 - really? But Micro$oft is trying to get all the new applications to be developed as metro apps. Like how the next version of the free version of visual studio only creates metro apps or web apps. So it's obvious that they attempt to get most of the apps to be developed as metro apps in the future.
So they're moving that way for later, ok. That doesn't change how I experience the OS as of now. Yeah, who needs stuff like windowing, anyway. I'm so nostalgic for the old dos times when you could only use one program at a time. <--- sarcasm
U HIEPSTUR
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:11 am
by DiM
natty dread wrote:That conditions in the rest of the country are bad, that other factories have poor conditions, is no excuse. Apple, et al. have money. They could raise the price of ipad for another 50$ and improve the conditions in their factories. The fanboys wouldn't mind, they'll pay whatever apple says blindly. But they just keep perpetuating a system that takes advantage of the conditions of developing countries and people's need of money there.
well you see this is where your whole distorted perception begins.what you're saying there is so wrong on so many levels you don't even realise it. it's easy to say. "raise the price of the ipad and improve the working conditions" "apple had a big profit, give people bigger wages". this is not how economy works not how it should work. in fact if apple would try and replicate in china the wages and the working conditions from a more developed country it would actually have a negative effect on the chinese economy and even the global economy.
try reading
what this guy saysand what is
explained herehopefully after this you'll realise why apple can't and shouldn't offer western wages and conditions in a poor country. and how offering that might seem a good thing to a layman but to an economist the long term economical disaster would be very clear.
you're misinformed and thinking this in very simple terms. typical of your average person that takes any news as it is and then spits out the simplest conclusion he can reach.
it's ok, everybody does it. a sportsman will do this on an economic matter, an economist on a physics matter and so on.
you're obviously not an economist which is ok. you're probably specialised in something else.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:35 am
by natty dread
DiM wrote:hopefully after this you'll realise why apple can't and shouldn't offer western wages and conditions in a poor country. and how offering that might seem a good thing to a layman but to an economist the long term economical disaster would be very clear.
Oh, treating people decently is economically unviable? It causes more harm to treat people decently, and actually treating them like crap and paying them slave wages is doing them a huge favour?
Bullshit.
Economists are #2 next only to politicians on the list of people who are capable of twisting their entire perception of reality to fit a certain agenda.
You present the argument as a false dichotomy - as if the only options are "give the poor countries some income in horrible working conditions" or "don't give the poor countries any income at all".
How about option 3 - create sustainable business practices that don't rely on an endless consumption of goods
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:36 am
by TA1LGUNN3R
natty wrote:false dichotomy
You should add this to the 'favorite words' thread.
-TG
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:37 am
by natty dread
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:natty wrote:false dichotomy
You should add this to the 'favorite words' thread.
-TG
no
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:51 am
by zimmah
DiM wrote:natty dread wrote:...bullshit, huh?
yep. bullshit.
ofcourse you have to realise the situation of each country.
what might seem torture and slavery to an englishman could very well be heaven on earth for somebody in a poor country.
how many people in your country would work 60 hours per week for less than 150 euros per month? and in most cases those money would be given with no employment records so no insurance and healthcare. would you call that slavery? how about jobs where you work in unsafe conditions? or where the boss hits you and curses you and treats you like his own personal servant? would this be considered slavery?
well in romania it's not. there are people that work like that. and you know what's worse? sometimes they don't get their wages until 2-3 months later and in this time they resort to loaning and they live in absolute misery, and yet they don't quit their job? why? because the alternative is to either be jobless or steal.
now imagine in some countries it is even worse than this.
you can't really know what serious poverty is until you've seen it with your own eyes. when you have no food you'd do any job no matter how hard or under what sort of miserable conditions. sure some people eventually break and suicide. but they probably would have died of hunger sooner if it had not been for that job.
you live in a wealthy country. you're fortunate. probably the crappiest job in your country still pays better than most of the jobs in my country. and i'm sure that the guy that has that crappy job can still afford the bare necessities like food and shelter. and if they're somehow unable to get a job the state probably provides some sort of shelters for the poor.
in my country that doesn't happen. hard working people end up on the street homeless. people that did honest work and held simple jobs for 40-45 years are now forced to search through trash for scraps of food because after working all those years their pension is now under 100 euros. the house that they built or bought is now without running watter or heat cause they can't pay the bills.
and i'm living in the capital of romania. imagine there are worse places in my own contry. i can't even think what could be like in even poorer countries. last winter the weather was really harsh, much harsher than usual. i saw 2 people dead on the street because of the cold. they had no place to live and wound up frozen during the night. in the year 2012 in the european union. yeah.
so for people like these, trust me living at a chinese apple factory is a dream come true.
[spoiler=apple innovation][bigimg]http://img.izismile.com/img/img5/20120605/640/morning_picdump_170_640_high_05.jpg[/bigimg][/spoiler]
in fact, having no job all all earns me more than what my friend in Romania earns for a 60 hour workweek. sad but true.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:54 am
by DiM
natty dread wrote:DiM wrote:hopefully after this you'll realise why apple can't and shouldn't offer western wages and conditions in a poor country. and how offering that might seem a good thing to a layman but to an economist the long term economical disaster would be very clear.
Oh, treating people decently is economically unviable? It causes more harm to treat people decently, and actually treating them like crap and paying them slave wages is doing them a huge favour?
Bullshit.
Economists are #2 next only to politicians on the list of people who are capable of twisting their entire perception of reality to fit a certain agenda.
You present the argument as a false dichotomy - as if the only options are "give the poor countries some income in horrible working conditions" or "don't give the poor countries any income at all".
How about option 3 - create sustainable business practices that don't rely on an endless consumption of goods
imagine what would happen to the other companies in china if foxconn started giving all their employees wages similar to those in usa/germany/switzerland/etc.
your answer will probably be "well, it's easy. the other companies will have to do the same otherwise they'll lose their workers and when they do the same all workers throughout china will be as happy as a pig in shit"
bzzzt...wrong answer.
i'm betting anything you haven't bothered to read any of the links i gave you.
it's ok, i didn't expect you to. i know you always act like you know everything when truth is you know very little. that's just how you are and i've learned to accept it. your biggest flaw is you can't accept being wrong and thus you'll never learn.
don't worry keep living in your fantasy where you are an expert in everything.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:08 am
by zimmah
It's funny how most people, even in politics (or maybe especially in politics) really have no clue about what they are saying.
For example, they want to fight unemployment by increasing the standard workweek back to 40 hours (up from 36). However, if you think about it, a longer workweek (in a time where people actually get fired because companies can't afford the wages anymore) will only be counter-productive. Most companies already have overproduction and can't get rid of their goods, so producing even more (even if we assume that the employees will work 10% more time without 10% more payment, without complaining, and assuming the extra hours will actually be productive, which is NOT a given, because 40 hours worked with low motivation may ACTUALLY result in LESS productivity than 36 hours worked with high motivation). Also, if a company has more employees who work for 40 hours, it may fire people, which will actually increase unemployment, and therefore also decrease sales even more, which will result n even less profit, which will than again result in less money to pay employees, which will than result in even more people getting fired, etc. Instead, they should hire more people, but let everyone work part-time. Than at least everyone who wants to work, can work, even if it's only 20 hours a week. This will raise confidence in the economy and may actually bring solutions.
Ofc. the real problem lies in the money system itself though but that's besides the point.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:13 am
by zimmah
natty dread wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote: I'm making my observations comparing it to its predecessor, Windows 7.
-rd
Well that's sort of a weird comparison.
I mean, it's like you die and go to hell, and the devil or whatever informs you you have to partake in a shit-eating contest. Participation is mandatory, there's no opting out. Once there, you're given two plates, one has a pile of shit that has been drying in the sun for a few days. The other plate has a slightly smaller pile of shit but this shit is steaming fresh, soggy and probably riddled with disease. You think you can see a few pieces of corn in there.
So, you can make a rational decision or an irrational one, you can compare the respective merits of each shitpile, like if it's better to eat more shit if you don't have to eat it fresh, or if it's better ot eat less shit but it's all fresh and soggy and probably tastes even worse. You can weight the options and make an informed decision, but in the end, no matter which pile of shit are you going to eat, you're still going to end up eating a pile of shit.
at the 2:20 minute mark or so (in the video you posted) they claimed: "we will consume it, and then review the results of it" so in essence, they were reviewing shit. I mean, if you eat at a great restaurant, and than review the result, no matter how good the restaurant was, you'll always review shit.
btw those people are idiots.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:17 am
by natty dread
DiM wrote:i'm betting anything you haven't bothered to read any of the links i gave you.
it's ok, i didn't expect you to. i know you always act like you know everything when truth is you know very little. that's just how you are and i've learned to accept it. your biggest flaw is you can't accept being wrong and thus you'll never learn.
don't worry keep living in your fantasy where you are an expert in everything.
That's kind of funny because I've lost count of all the times you've been wrong and refused to admit it.
Like when you said the workers aren't actually protesting in china, and I just think they are because I believe stupid media articles which always lie. Actually, it's heaven on earth on the workers. They may think they are protesting, and that they are being treated poorly, but luckily, you know better.
DiM wrote:imagine what would happen to the other companies in china if foxconn started giving all their employees wages similar to those in usa/germany/switzerland/etc.
your answer will probably be
[....]
bzzzt...wrong answer.
What's this... you're arguing against yourself now?
No one's saying they should be paid wages that are the same as in western countries. What they should do is pay competitive wages in that country. But there's simply no excuse to not provide humane working conditions for the workers. It's called treating other people decently. And you say that's bad for the economy and is going to collapse the entire country.
Apparently the economy of china requires that factory workers are tortured.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:34 am
by DiM
natty dread wrote:Apparently the economy of china requires that factory workers are tortured.
poor guys, i'm sure all the foxconn employees get their fingernails ripped off on a daily basis and are waterboarded at lunch break.
actually torture is seeing you struggle to comprehend even the most basic concepts of economy.
or maybe i'm wrong and you don't struggle at all. you simply don't understand them and just keep yapping on and on.
yes this must be it.
btw since those guys at MIT are so wrong and you're obviously right, why don't you consider a career change and become an economist? if you're half as good as you claim to be, then for sure you'll be the greatest economist since adam smith.
maybe they'll call you the father of new economy. show that prick adam smith how it's done.
or maybe not, i don't know. you're the self proclaimed genius around here.
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:51 am
by natty dread
DiM wrote:poor guys, i'm sure all the foxconn employees get their fingernails ripped off on a daily basis and are waterboarded at lunch break
At least the guy who lost that iphone prototype was tortured. And that's only the case we know about. How many more people have been tortured and has just been covered up, or has been afraid to speak up or has killed themself? We already know human rights abuses occur in those factories, it's naive to assume the instance of torture we know about is an isolated case.
DiM wrote:or maybe i'm wrong and you don't struggle at all. you simply don't understand them and just keep yapping on and on.
yes this must be it.
btw since those guys at MIT are so wrong and you're obviously right, why don't you consider a career change and become an economist? if you're half as good as you claim to be, then for sure you'll be the greatest economist since adam smith.
maybe they'll call you the father of new economy. show that prick adam smith how it's done.
or maybe not, i don't know. you're the self proclaimed genius around here.
Wow, what convincing arguments.
You've yet to provide a single piece of evidence that contradicts anything I've said, yet you continue to tell me everything I say is "bullshit" and you know better... hmm, I wonder who the self-proclaimed genius is over here again
Re: Windows 8
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:01 pm
by DiM
natty dread wrote:You've yet to provide a single piece of evidence that contradicts anything I've said, yet you continue to tell me everything I say is "bullshit" and you know better... hmm, I wonder who the self-proclaimed genius is over here again
of course i didn't. i mean if it doesn't fit your agenda it clearly can't be considered evidence, right?
like the huge suicide rate you complained about and it turned out suicide rate amongst foxconn employees is actually 95% lower than the country's average according to clear facts.
obviously these facts can't be considered evidence but ONE allegedly tortured person is proof enough that ALL foxconn employees are tortured. poor guys. as i said they're probably waterboarded at every lunch break are there any clear facts about this? who needs facts when you can obviously tell us what's true and what isn't.
then again your logic throuout this whole argument was pretty much fucked up so i actually should not be surprised of what you consider to be or not to be evidence.
i think all those drugs you say you did when you were younger really took their toll on your brain. might wanna go get it checked. of course you'll probably argue with the doctor's diagnosis and tell him he's an idiot an you know better...