Conquer Club

Ok, for a final note, I apologise for the offence which I have caused everyone. For every word I have said which has offended, I apologise, especially the part about the $25. If you would all accept my apologies, then I would be most grateful, as I never wanted to offend anyone or let CC down. I admit I was wrong, and hold my hands up. As for all the recent goings on, I do believe it's best I take a little bit of a break away from CC (especially the forums) for some self-reflection and serious thinking. 2011 is a new year, and maybe a new me. Once again, I apologise and I'll speak to you all later maybe sometime in January. Take care.

Thanks for stepping up, Fenrir.

See you in 2011. Sorry if you were looking for an influx of DON'T GO PLX STAY WE LUV U posts.

jefjef wrote:

maasman wrote:

b00060 wrote:How exactly are freemiums helping the site? If everyone was a freemium, the site would not exist. Let Freemiums play each other, how is that not fair?

Because when I was a freemium it was nice to play premiums. If you're saying a game option, thats cool, but if you want outright segregation, then thats not cool.

We should have segregation. It would be more incentive for freemis to go preemi in order to get into preemi games and for preemis to re-up.

I also hate the fact that a large % of freemi accounts are multi and that skews the games and point system and the inability/lack of desire of CC to protect its premium customers from #1 rule violators pisses me and others off...

Give the freemis their own game arena and keep em out of mine.

(FyI. I know of several peeps, including myself, that are filling foe lists with freemis cuz of this crap.)

I pay for me to play. Not for someone else to have a great time for free.

It may make the some freemium players want to buy premy, but you can't exactly rely on it. I know I would have been annoyed of this site if all I could ever get into was games with a bunch of people who were either multis, never took their turns, or simply made moves that made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The dice on the otherhand can be sketchy at times. I have the need to throw my laptop when i get a run of bad dice, but I just find a way to calm myself down. Same thing happens when I get flames or baited, I type something out, think about it, then move on.

If all of you mod haters dislike the way we "youngins" handle ourselves, why don't you apply to be a mod? It's a lot harder than it looks, trust me. The short time I've been a mod has been... Hectic. Try stepping in our shoes for a bit, and it would give you a different prespective on things. Sure, some mods do make bonehead moves, myself included, but do you really expect us to be perfect? I'd like to be perfect, but I know it's impossible, especially for someone as young as I am (18).

Joshy may have made a bonehead decision, but the way some of you replied, sounds like you want us to be a bunch of drones that have no personalities.

stick to private games its what i do...its the best.
see ya around b00600etc...you were always one of the good guys.

A very harsh tone towards freemiums in this thread. There might be many that buy premium within a very short period of finding the site, but there are more that don't, that for either financial reasons or others wait a while. Perhaps after a while they find friends, start having more fun and then decide the investment is worth it.
Myself & [player]Leehar[/player] being two examples.

Also, that "a majority" of freemiums are multies and are skewing the scoreboard is absolute nonsense, if anything the scoreboard is being skewed by premium farmers, and the fact that points gained in fs-speed shouldn't be counted in the same way as points gained in seq games.

jefjef wrote:

maasman wrote:The problem is, when I started playing, I couldn't really do much to get premium. I would have had to ask my parents, and I doubt I would have been able to convince them at the time. So I would have been mad that I couldn't play all the premiums, and would want it, but would be unable to get and might have left. Now that I have the ability to pay, I will, but had I been stuck earlier, lack may not be getting my money now.

SO you claim you would not have had fun playing for free. I'm not buying that. I had fun playing for free. I went preemi cuz I wanted more games. No other reason.

Maybe I came off wrong, but I loved the site before I went premium. I guess I was trying to give a hypothetical situation, and added too much of me and I.

Arama86n wrote:Also, that "a majority" of freemiums are multies and are skewing the scoreboard is absolute nonsense, if anything the scoreboard is being skewed by premium farmers, and the fact that points gained in fs-speed shouldn't be counted in the same way as points gained in seq games.

This is too many peoples belief and it saddens me that people have no respect for those who play fs speed

bump

ljex wrote:

Arama86n wrote:Also, that "a majority" of freemiums are multies and are skewing the scoreboard is absolute nonsense, if anything the scoreboard is being skewed by premium farmers, and the fact that points gained in fs-speed shouldn't be counted in the same way as points gained in seq games.

This is too many peoples belief and it saddens me that people have no respect for those who play fs speed

Should I take this to mean that you could obtain your current rank without playing freestyle?

I have just a general relevant question - Has something changed with respect to premiums / freemiums between the present day (i.e. when b00060 quit the site) and a year ago? I guess I'm confused as to why are people angry and/or quitting now and weren't angry and/or quitting a year or six months ago.

Timminz wrote:

ljex wrote:

Arama86n wrote:Also, that "a majority" of freemiums are multies and are skewing the scoreboard is absolute nonsense, if anything the scoreboard is being skewed by premium farmers, and the fact that points gained in fs-speed shouldn't be counted in the same way as points gained in seq games.

This is too many peoples belief and it saddens me that people have no respect for those who play fs speed

Should I take this to mean that you could obtain your current rank without playing freestyle?

Explain to me how that is relevant...is it possible i am more skilled at freestyle than sequential?

ljex wrote:

Timminz wrote:

ljex wrote:

Arama86n wrote:Also, that "a majority" of freemiums are multies and are skewing the scoreboard is absolute nonsense, if anything the scoreboard is being skewed by premium farmers, and the fact that points gained in fs-speed shouldn't be counted in the same way as points gained in seq games.

This is too many peoples belief and it saddens me that people have no respect for those who play fs speed

Should I take this to mean that you could obtain your current rank without playing freestyle?

Explain to me how that is relevant...is it possible i am more skilled at freestyle than sequential?

It is, yes. It's also possible that the top freestyle players are more skilled than the top sequential players, or that sequential team players are more skilled than sequential singles players.

The relevance is that the scoring system rewards freestyle more than it does sequential, and I contend that the only ones who deny this are high-scoring freestyle specialists who need to feel that their score is representative of their own skill, and has nothing to do with the slanted playing field.

Now, I have no recommendation for leveling the field, nor do I particularly care that it's slanted. I just wanted to correct you on your "no respect for freestylers" thing. There is a very significant difference between recognizing that a disparity exists, and having no respect for those who use the disparity to their advantage.

Although I must admit, when people try to deny the disparity (as you seemed to be trying to do here), it does make me lose a bit of respect for them, and it's not because of the game-styles they choose.

Timminz wrote:It is, yes. It's also possible that the top freestyle players are more skilled than the top sequential players, or that sequential team players are more skilled than sequential singles players.

The relevance is that the scoring system rewards freestyle more than it does sequential, and I contend that the only ones who deny this are high-scoring freestyle specialists who need to feel that their score is representative of their own skill, and has nothing to do with the slanted playing field.

Now, I have no recommendation for leveling the field, nor do I particularly care that it's slanted. I just wanted to correct you on your "no respect for freestylers" thing. There is a very significant difference between recognizing that a disparity exists, and having no respect for those who use the disparity to their advantage.

Although I must admit, when people try to deny the disparity (as you seemed to be trying to do here), it does make me lose a bit of respect for them, and it's not because of the game-styles they choose.

Speaking as someone who does NOT hold freestylers who only play freestyle in particularly high regard (only as a group...there are absolutely individuals whom I do), I'm curious what you mean by this slanted playing field...how is the scoring system rewarding freestylers more than sequentialers? What am I overlooking?

Let's take 1v1 games, as an example. The best freestyle 1v1 players have win percentages in the 90's, while the best sequential 1v1 players are in the 70's. Since they're both working within the same scoring system, you can see that freestyle is far more benficial, points-wise. Of course, there is the possibility that the best freestylers are just way, way, way better than the top sequential players, but somehow, I just don't buy it.

Timminz wrote:Let's take 1v1 games, as an example. The best freestyle 1v1 players have win percentages in the 90's, while the best sequential 1v1 players are in the 70's. Since they're both working within the same scoring system, you can see that freestyle is far more benficial, points-wise. Of course, there is the possibility that the best freestylers are just way, way, way better than the top sequential players, but somehow, I just don't buy it.

One could argue that the reason for the disparity is that freestyle requires more skill than sequential, so while a sub par sequential player can beat a superb sequential player, the same cannot be said for freestyle.

pimphawks70 wrote:

Timminz wrote:Let's take 1v1 games, as an example. The best freestyle 1v1 players have win percentages in the 90's, while the best sequential 1v1 players are in the 70's. Since they're both working within the same scoring system, you can see that freestyle is far more benficial, points-wise. Of course, there is the possibility that the best freestylers are just way, way, way better than the top sequential players, but somehow, I just don't buy it.

One could argue that the reason for the disparity is that freestyle requires more skill than sequential, so while a sub par sequential player can beat a superb sequential player, the same cannot be said for freestyle.

It doesn't require more skill, necessarily. It rewards skill at a higher ratio, though.

Don't get me wrong, all you high-ranking freestylers-who-always-get-mad-at-me-for-explaining-this. I don't deny that you are very good at this game. I just saying that you are gaining more points than some others, because of the style of game you have chosen to play. Denying it, is just silly.

Timminz wrote:

pimphawks70 wrote:

Timminz wrote:Let's take 1v1 games, as an example. The best freestyle 1v1 players have win percentages in the 90's, while the best sequential 1v1 players are in the 70's. Since they're both working within the same scoring system, you can see that freestyle is far more benficial, points-wise. Of course, there is the possibility that the best freestylers are just way, way, way better than the top sequential players, but somehow, I just don't buy it.

One could argue that the reason for the disparity is that freestyle requires more skill than sequential, so while a sub par sequential player can beat a superb sequential player, the same cannot be said for freestyle.

It doesn't require more skill, necessarily. It rewards skill at a higher ratio, though.

Don't get me wrong, all you high-ranking freestylers-who-always-get-mad-at-me-for-explaining-this. I don't deny that you are very good at this game. I just saying that you are gaining more points than some others, because of the style of game you have chosen to play. Denying it, is just silly.

Tim, I'm not getting mad about this, rather confused by your reasoning. Because there is a larger separation between "us" and others we are rewarded at a higher ratio? Last I checked points are still calculated the same way in freestyle as sequential. As far as your argument that "you are gaining more points than some others," isn't that true with all specialization? By that reasoning, team games are not fair either because some people are better at them than others and as a result are able to gain more points, and "exploit" the system.

All I'm asking for is some clarity on what you are actually arguing.

Pimp

If you don't understand what I'm saying, I'm sorry, but I can't do any better tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

In the meantime, find someone who has mastered both, and ask them which is more profitable, points-wise.