Is It Bush's Fault?

[BigBallinStalin]

NO, the fault does not like in Bush, nor in the stars. This is Obama's baby. It lies with HIM, and only HIM.

Your rationality is in serious question.

So.. either we get Democrats or we get garbage.

Of course, the Republicans say that either we get Republicans or we get garbage. And the Tea Partiers say that we either get Tea Partiers or we get garbage.

Looks like we're just going to continue getting garbage, to me.

Well, the Republican's track record is currently much worse.

No, it really isn't.

Well, the Republican's track record is currently much worse. Better than absolutely terrible is not saying much, but it is at least a step in the correct direction.

All in all the Republican track record is better than the Democratic tack record.

No, it really isn't.

+1 for Woodruff for keeping it real

[alex951]

[Phatscotty]

you know, a lot of things happened right in the "window" between elections and transition. Russia invaded whoever, israel opened fire, etc...The banks are no different. There was a window, they exploited itin a financial sense in the same strategy that foriegn countries thought they could do a couple attacks while the US was in transition

[AAFitz]

you know, a lot of things happened right in the "window" between elections and transition. Russia invaded whoever, israel opened fire, etc...The banks are no different. There was a window, they exploited itin a financial sense in the same strategy that foreign countries thought they could do a couple attacks while the US was in transition

So it is Bushs fault then even more. If he wasnt leaving, they would have gone on doing business as usual you are saying.

There is no doubt they could have held off a little longer and made the problem worse, but there is also no doubt the problem was there, and was there long into Bushs term. In fact, it would have been better for them if they could have held out until Obama took over, but it actually was so dire, they just couldnt drag it out any longer. Just like that jackass at the head of the Republican party blamed Obama for Afganistan, they and you will continue to blame him for a disaster that happened before he got here.

It of course isnt as silly as the republicans blaming Clinton for 911 a full year and 3/4s after he had left office, but then, thats what its all about isnt it. Protecting baby Bush from blame simply because he was a republican and you all voted for him and elected him Twice. (Once)

[Phatscotty]

you know, a lot of things happened right in the "window" between elections and transition. Russia invaded whoever, israel opened fire, etc...The banks are no different. There was a window, they exploited itin a financial sense in the same strategy that foreign countries thought they could do a couple attacks while the US was in transition

So it is Bushs fault then even more. If he wasnt leaving, they would have gone on doing business as usual you are saying.

There is no doubt they could have held off a little longer and made the problem worse, but there is also no doubt the problem was there, and was there long into Bushs term. In fact, it would have been better for them if they could have held out until Obama took over, but it actually was so dire, they just couldnt drag it out any longer. Just like that jackass at the head of the Republican party blamed Obama for Afganistan, they and you will continue to blame him for a disaster that happened before he got here.

It of course isnt as silly as the republicans blaming Clinton for 911 a full year and 3/4s after he had left office, but then, thats what its all about isnt it. Protecting baby Bush from blame simply because he was a republican and you all voted for him and elected him Twice. (Once)

Its more like, IMO, the best time for others to do the things they need to do is when one president/congress is on the way out, and a new one is on the way in, because they can get away with it. It makes sense. I also think It was part Bush's fault for cooking the books for so long, that when it was time to leave, all the economic props the gov't had placed into the economy were taken down, and all the numbers came out, and Obama was there to put in all his economic props. I dont think either of them should be doing that. They are both direct invasions into the free market economy, and make the economy less efficient. It really is all about more gov't control, no matter what party...

Throw the Bums out!

[john9blue]

Three, the two wars have cost a trillion dollars.

http://www.costofwar.com/

damn, you're right...

John Stuart put together a great collection of Republican morons saying just that at the end of Obamas first year.

Things like.

Hes done absolutely nothing, He hasnt done one thing etc, etc, etc.

And then shows them complaining about all the things he did do like bailing out our banks, our biggest manufacturing companies, etc.

He concluded I think by calling them assholes.

If you can find it, its very worthy of a search.

That sounds a lot like this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE... and yes, I've seen the clip.

You probably think that both qualify as scientific research.

Jon Stewart is a leftist and he loves cherry-picking. Get his shit out of here.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yeah those damn leftists! All they say is wrong and should be immediately ignored! [/dumb]

[PLAYER57832]

Well, we came OUT of the recession under his watch. Too bad, but if you want to play the blame game, then it goes both ways.

Tell that to the people who are still unemployed.

Hrm.. yeah, don't bother asking the Wallstreet bankers who are not only very employed, but sitting on stacks of cash. Too bad they now have to KEEP more of that in reserve, rather than allowing another set of risky cascades to fail.

Too bad they might actually have to pay taxes now on a bit more of their huge windfalls. I mean, actually think they owe we Americans something for saving their asses? That would be crazy.

I see, so according to you the unions are the bogeyman, the reason we are in this mess?

Well they are the reason why GM was in its mess.
They are the reason why many states are in a financial mess.
They are the reason (the teacher's unions specifically) why local property taxes are so high.
(Elementary education where I live now costs more than the typical college tuition on a per student basis!)

Keep going... they are why we have a 40 hour work week, weekends, paid vacations and sick leave, safety regulations to protect workers, pensions.... just to name a few.

Some unions have gone a bit too far, but why target them instead of the CEOs and stockholders getting rich off of FAILED companies? OH.. yeah, gee, becuase its stocks and bonds that built this country, not any workers!

Raping the medicare system? How about putting a tiny bit of control onto insurers. But you are right about one thing. It is a bit of a boondoggle, did not go far enough.

Very little; few of the real problems in the system were addressed. A few got plastered over with bandaids that will probably make the system worse in the long run. Symptoms were addressed, not the root causs. Where it went it should not have gone and where it did not go it should have gone with gusto.

Well, its hard to get much done when almost half of congress simply walks out and refuses to support even changes THEY SUGGESTED earlier.

Here it is again "sure, we know the Republicans caused this mess, but Obama did not immediately make it all go away, so let's run him out on a rail".

There you go again, the "Republicans" did not cause this mess. What part of this don't you get. In fact, a significant portion of this mess is due to Califorina Air Head Liberals and your attempts to stop all development in a place where everyone wanted to live (your state). The rest was due to the Democratic wonder twins, Frank and Dodd. (The latter comes from across the Sound, so I blame my Uncle who lives there.)

Nice try, but try reviewing the facts. If you want a basic explanation, Planet money did a pretty decent job a while back. And.. per the "California Air heads' crack.. last time I checked, Wallstreet and Washington were in the East. But sure, a lot in California fell into this idea of unlimited real estate growth. Was a pretty popular idea among CONSERVATIVES. Liberals were more into sustainability and building green. (Sorry to burst your scapegoat bubble, there.)

By the way, Bush wanted to audit Fannie and Freddie, but the wonder twins started a sit in protest of the EVIL BUSH.

The seeds of the 2008 collapse were planted a very long time ago. It all started in the year of our Lord, 1977 with the Community Reinvestment Act. Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco - The Boston Globe 9/28/2008.

No, that is not the beginning, but you are on the right track.
You missed the part where I cited Reagan?