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Culturally one could say it isn't.

Ruben Cassar wrote:Kaliningrad: The solution is simple. When one holds Russia he also holds Kaliningrad which is part of Russia and not a separate state at the end of the day. So who holds Russia can attack Lithuania and Poland but who has those states can also attack Russia.

MrBenn wrote:7. Territories etc.
My initial goal was to represent Europe exactly as it really is, with every European country on it... the problem is that nobody can define Europe! Do we take a geographical stand-point? If so, tectonic or otherwise? Do we use membership of the EU? or trading agreements? As soon as we get political, then whose opinion should we use? The map here, is comprehensively European, even if it does contain a couple of borderline/self-professed European areas.

Geographically, Europe is the westernmost peninsula of the continent of Eurasia; its limits are well defined by sea to the North, South and West. The Ural mountains are usually taken as the eastern limit of Europe, along with the Ural River, and the Caspian Sea. Europe can be considered bounded to the southeast by the Caucasus Mountains, the Black Sea and the waterways connecting the Black Sea to the Mediterranean.

MarVal wrote:
Green = Europe

Fitz69 wrote:Kaliningrad: If you remove the minimap and resize the the legend a bit you should have more room to shift "Estonia" and "Latvia" to the upper right position and "Lithuania" to the right. This way you can get room for "Kaliningrad" in the upper left position.

Ruben Cassar wrote:Kaliningrad: The solution is simple. When one holds Russia he also holds Kaliningrad which is part of Russia and not a separate state at the end of the day. So who holds Russia can attack Lithuania and Poland but who has those states can also attack Russia.

MarVal wrote:I like that idea very much. It has a new dimension on gameplay (attack/defend), cause in real life its also a strategy area for the defense of Russia to the Western world and especially to the USA.

Fitz69 wrote:Minimap: Is'nt the small map redundant? The legend should say it all. (Other maps are out there that could use one though.)

Joop wrote:I don't think the minimap should go.

The minimap will be staying, as I think that a minimap is sometimes more helpful than a list-style legend. There is room for both, and with a little tweaking, both will be clear

Fitz69 wrote:Europa: Inconsistent spelling. All the countries are spelled using english nomenclature and the continent the germanic. I suggest switching the "a" for a "e".

qwert wrote:

whether Greece should really be in the Balkans

I realy,realy want to know source where you find that Grecce is not a part of Balkan,because Balkan is not peninsula without Grecce.(ofcourse you can ignore again,like you ignore previous post)

MarVal wrote:More info about Europe's eastern and southeastern extent, you can find it on wikipedia.

Been there; looked at several maps all over the place, etc. etc. The Caucasus area is idealogically Europen, and Georgia et al are members of the Council of Europe. I think having the 'Transcontinental' region is a nod to the fact that these countries are borderline European, and is my attempt to settle the debate

zimmah wrote:The Netherlands are after refered to as NL, and not ne, so i'd rather see nl on the key.

MrBenn wrote:

zimmah wrote:The Netherlands are after refered to as NL, and not ne, so i'd rather see nl on the key.

OK - makes sense to me

yeti_c wrote:

MrBenn wrote:

zimmah wrote:The Netherlands are after refered to as NL, and not ne, so i'd rather see nl on the key.

OK - makes sense to me

MrBenn wrote:Thanks for the comments/feedback - It's all good

I'll put my replies into a couple of categories/common themes, and then post a couple of individual responses... Again, if I've missed your comment, please nudge me again!

Thanks

1. The Alps.
They should be on the map, but I think I just hid that layer by mistake on the last update Having said that, I quite like the look of the map without them?? Unless there is major outcry, they'll stay!

2. Ocean Routes
I will smarten these up and clarify the attack routes etc. on my next update. I haven't changed them for a while, but I've been redrawing borders and land positions which has made them look wrong and a bit messy.
In the meantime, Corsica is linked to Monaco and Sardinia. Crete is linked to Greece, Cyprus and Sicily.

3. Region Colours
I always knew that the two oranges (Benelux/Central Europe) would cause some problems, and I thought I'd got the middle-ground of the Hellenic blue... I'll tweak the colours a bit on the next update.

4. Isolated Areas
Liechtenstein... if it bordered Germany, I could stretch the size easily. I thought I'd drawn an arrow on an early version... I may have deleted/hidden it, but I'll draw another one

Kaliningrad (the brown bit between poland/Lithuania) is by biggest concern at the moment. This Russian exclave is too small to be a seperate territory (there isn't enough room to fit name and number), and I'm torn about how it will work

5. Mini-Map / Legend
I'll make these both a bit bigger. I've tried putting the title elsewhere, but it didn't look right. I'll have another play around and think about it some more.

6. Army Shadows
I prefer the look of the white shadows, but I'm contemplating mixing dark shadows on light areas... would this help #3 above??

7. Territories etc.
My initial goal was to represent Europe exactly as it really is, with every European country on it... the problem is that nobody can define Europe! Do we take a geographical stand-point? If so, tectonic or otherwise? Do we use membership of the EU? or trading agreements? As soon as we get political, then whose opinion should we use? The map here, is comprehensively European, even if it does contain a couple of borderline/self-professed European areas.

There have been 30 pages of discussion about territory groupings, and this is definitely the best yet. Yes, we could still spend hours/weeks debating whether Cyprus should be grouped with Greece or Turkey; whether Greece should really be in the Balkans; whether Greenland is part of Europe or not; whether the transcontinental areas should be on the map; and so on, but I think this is the best compromise that will be reached.

If you have a suggestion to make, please do, but be aware that it may have been discussed before

hulmey wrote:or

http://europa.eu/abc/maps/index_en.htm

Ruben Cassar wrote:

hulmey wrote:or

http://europa.eu/abc/maps/index_en.htm

UK is England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland

British Isles is all those plus Eire.

Great Britain is England, Scotland, Wales.

hulmey wrote:

Ruben Cassar wrote:

hulmey wrote:or

http://europa.eu/abc/maps/index_en.htm

UK is England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland

British Isles is all those plus Eire.

Great Britain is England, Scotland, Wales.

yep ruben nailed it! Rep of Ireland is classed as its own country in Europe. Thats if your going to create a true and correct image of europe!?!?

MrBenn wrote:Latest Update:June 10th 2008
[bigimg]http://twogoodpaws.co.uk/conquerclub/Europe/europe19.png[/bigimg]

Fitz69 wrote:Mini Map:
If the minimap stays then consider removing the internal borders between countries in the same bonus-region.

zimmah wrote:

hulmey wrote:

Ruben Cassar wrote:

hulmey wrote:or

http://europa.eu/abc/maps/index_en.htm

UK is England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland

British Isles is all those plus Eire.

Great Britain is England, Scotland, Wales.

yep ruben nailed it! Rep of Ireland is classed as its own country in Europe. Thats if your going to create a true and correct image of europe!?!?

and what's exactly different compared to his map?

his map has a continent bonus 'British Isles' and these include England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. so that's correct right? i don't really see your point...

Ruben Cassar wrote:British Isles is fine as it is. Worry about other stuff Ben.

MrBenn wrote:

Ruben Cassar wrote:British Isles is fine as it is. Worry about other stuff Ben.

I'm not worryinng about it - just trying to work out exactly what Hulmey is suggesting, so that I can tell him exactly why it's going to stay how it is