Conquer Club

@Sonic

All I can do now is quote myself from yesterday.

Votanic wrote:OMGUS... even if you're town!

Though today I'm even less hopeful that you might be town... and evenstill, if you are town, your behavior (lynches before BTs, self-voting stunts to save your skin, etc. etc.) is trully scummier than scum.

Also this post from you today was obviously more baloney.

SoN!c wrote:PS: "triggering play style" is over.., i like to trigger it in the beginning yes. Because i just see it as "Collecting data". Collecting pieces of the puzzle if you will.

If anything your play syle is now even more triggering...

Votanic wrote:

SoN!c wrote:

degaston wrote:

swang918 wrote:we are very divided and will need to coalesce. Interested to see how strike and dega vote. If the trafalgar BT vote gains steam I can switch my vote. I don't think BTing sonic, votan, or charle are great choices.

I didn't want today to be about me. I know that my vote can be used by the Things as a justification to spread doubt and do the opposite. If the town wants me to vote to do a BT or Lynch, I'll go along with the majority.

Look Deg, i believe your still town.

Because if i was the Thing Ragian would have been the best choice. He had 0 suspicion on D1 and the 4 most experienced ones are you, Traf, EW and Ragian in my book.

I think Traf and i still regret switching to you because i also believe town has to be united. That is why i switched to you. Following majority.

So tell us and just vote.

Sonic, Whenever I even begin to think that maybe I should find another BT candidate, you post something like this. Everything about this post seems off.
First, your over-confidence in one player's innocence.
Then your random hypothetical 'If I was the Thing' story.
Even your apology about your last randwagon, just comes off sounding like the set up for the next one.

absolute, unshakable confidence in a random nonsense theory is kind of sonic's MO though. he was doing this when town.

Although, I can definitely see a Thing sonic voting himself as some kind of too fancy overthinking play

Also, sonic is usually more random nonsense instead of this omgus version that's been in the last few posts vs votan

Oh my word, not much happened during my travelling, apart from Sonic and Votanic's debate against each other. Traf and Strike became silent, would like to hear what you guys have to say. Also deg's BT vote will be interesting.

Was also thinking, when we have the BT, we can then decide who to lynch from the remaining guys, and we can also decide who Mac can burn the following night if he still have the powers. So if mac plays along, we can actually have two deaths and a BT that can make things easier for D3 with less players to choose from (if one of those 3 are not a hit on the Thing obviously). But we will have to start working together and not be divided, something that seems to be difficult here

Charle wrote:Oh my word, not much happened during my travelling, apart from Sonic and Votanic's debate against each other. Traf and Strike became silent, would like to hear what you guys have to say. Also deg's BT vote will be interesting.

Was also thinking, when we have the BT, we can then decide who to lynch from the remaining guys, and we can also decide who Mac can burn the following night if he still have the powers. So if mac plays along, we can actually have two deaths and a BT that can make things easier for D3 with less players to choose from (if one of those 3 are not a hit on the Thing obviously). But we will have to start working together and not be divided, something that seems to be difficult here

Yes, exactly and that is why i wanted Deg's vote/opinion in here(and yes i do not think he is the recruited one), and im saying we need to be united but all it does is Votanic wanting to BT me on D2??

I voted to lynch myself on D1 to not waste the BT on me D2. I even said BT Traf and you can lynch me on D2 if im wrong but do not waste the BT on me. And what does Votanic do? ..."vote BT SoN!c D2"???

He even posted Traf is on the defensive from D1 but he wants to BT me while we only have 2 BT left??...

Man, The Thing and his recruit are laughing very hard. It's better for them to be silent like i said all game long..just waiting on stuff like this to happen sooner or later.

Following the plan is the only logic choice. You all know how devided we were on D1 and even more so on D2.

We BT Traf. If Traf is negative he gets to choose who to lynch D2, and post the "Flame N2" target (if Macready is not converted after his flame job), and also post the names who to BT and who to Lynch D3.

It's the only way to be united knowing it comes from a townie (IF the BT is negative!)

Charle wrote:Oh my word, not much happened during my travelling, apart from Sonic and Votanic's debate against each other. Traf and Strike became silent, would like to hear what you guys have to say. Also deg's BT vote will be interesting.

Was also thinking, when we have the BT, we can then decide who to lynch from the remaining guys, and we can also decide who Mac can burn the following night if he still have the powers. So if mac plays along, we can actually have two deaths and a BT that can make things easier for D3 with less players to choose from (if one of those 3 are not a hit on the Thing obviously). But we will have to start working together and not be divided, something that seems to be difficult here

To be fair, I was going to comment last night but negging Son!c about his emotional outburst against Votanic didn't seem productive.

Im not playing defensive. What you see is what you get. Nothing to hide.

BT me or BT Traf or BT whoever you want.

Saying we need to be united is counter productive it seems.

SoN!c wrote:Following the plan is the only logic choice. You all know how devided we were on D1 and even more so on D2.

We BT Traf. If Traf is negative he gets to choose who to lynch D2, and post the "Flame N2" target (if Macready is not converted after his flame job), and also post the names who to BT and who to Lynch D3.

It's the only way to be united knowing it comes from a townie (IF the BT is negative!)

Wow, now I'm agreeing with Sonic, up to a point. How weird is that?
Letting a negative BT, whomever that turns out to be, decide the lynch does make sense.

However, I would like to hear the reasoning behind the lynch decision before jumping on the wagon.
Afterall, some players (at least one) do have a reputation for coming up with some screwball theories.

SoN!c wrote:Im not playing defensive. What you see is what you get. Nothing to hide.

BT me or BT Traf or BT whoever you want.

Saying we need to be united is counter productive it seems.

I don't have a problem with you wanting town to be united. Cool. Easy thing to say but it's true. Just remind me, who were the hold outs on the Dega BT day 1? I seem to remember a very active player whose User name starts with S being a prominent one. It feels to me that you more want town to be united with you than just wanting town to be united.

Look, if you waste a BT on me I can coordinate a lynch on Traf or any player who has been trending scum for me, but fact of the matter is that with only 1 BT and no lynches few people have reason to force a lynch on someone other than vibes. I like to read based on vibes, don't get me wrong, but it's a cop out for everyone voting with the BT'd player to hide behind them. I realise I said I would vote with dega D1 as well, so I'm also guilty of this to an extent, but it can never be the only reason you vote for someone.

I still think Ragian is the most promising candidate and if there's no momentum for a Ragian lynch wagon then let's BT him instead. BTing Ragian is more promising than Trafalgar or extreme.
And in a vacuum I think "follow the clean BTed player" is a decent idea but in our current case, if we don't BT Ragian I think lynching him is better than anything else we got. Basically we should either BT Ragian or Lynch him.
So I'll put my money in my mouth and UN-BT EXTREME, BT RAGIAN

swang918 wrote:I still think Ragian is the most promising candidate and if there's no momentum for a Ragian lynch wagon then let's BT him instead. BTing Ragian is more promising than Trafalgar or extreme.
And in a vacuum I think "follow the clean BTed player" is a decent idea but in our current case, if we don't BT Ragian I think lynching him is better than anything else we got. Basically we should either BT Ragian or Lynch him.
So I'll put my money in my mouth and UN-BT EXTREME, BT RAGIAN

I must say, I agree with you here. Ragian is a good player as well and I really like his analyses of the game too, so if he test negative, he can give us the lynch person and we only need to agree on who mac should burn if he still can.

My feeling is that Traf is town, and if we are going to waste a BT on EW, Ragian should be the next in line.

Un-BT Extreme
BT Ragian

I think Ragian is the best candidate for the converted one. Not the actual Thing.

Imagine that your the Thing?

Who do you wanna convert N1?

Deg? We all said the BT one would be the best candidate to convert N1 so if you are the Thing it would be better not converting Deg on N1. That way you (as the Thing) have 1 recruit on your side and a town that does not believe Deg so much on D2. This is way better then having Deg as recruit.

>If you agree with this, who would you convert?

I would convert a strong town voice for sure. This way steering a bandwagon in the wrong way would have more chance of succes. Town would follow the strong voice faster while doubting Deg.

>If you agree with this, who do you think the strong town voices are?

For me it would be EW or Ragian based on the tick game.

And Ragian would be the perfect choice. He had 0% suspicion on D1, clean as a whistle on D1.

And what happens on D2?

All the sudden Ragian goes so strong for BT Votanic while on D1 a lot players said they wanted to BT Traf on D2 for his emotional outburst...

Then Ragian posted a fact he can't do by mistake. Anybody would remember if they saw a movie or not at any given time.

But I can see Ragian doing a little DDS maneuver as a converted one. Giving town a very small hint. I can't see him doing this as The Thing.

I think Traf is the original Thing because Traf is on the defensive from D1.

But since nobody wants to BT Traf i think the BT on Ragian is perhaps the second best choice for me. If Ragian tests positive it would strengthen the Traf Thing theory. No way Ragian would be so careless as the original Thing that he posted a little lie on seeing the movie y/n even by mistake.

Question remains: Do we wanna find the Thing or do we wanna find the recruit?

UNVOTE

But ofcourse i can be wrong on Traf. No way to be certain. So if a BT on Traf is not gonna happen:

BT Ragian

Rag is playing aggressive, perhaps a tad too aggressive, but I dont think he is the recruiter. Rag is on 3, but I dont want to put him on L-1 just yet even if it's "just" a BT and not a lynch. Rag, do you have stuff to say/divert to?

As for Sonic, it's all WIFOM because The Thing might just as well convert a less strong voice because we're expecting him to convert a strong player. Perhaps it's all back to dega then.

Cool. If everyone is on board lynching Votanic after BTing me, keep your vote where it is. I need everyone voting me to agree or disagree on that before replying.

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Ragian wrote:Cool. If everyone is on board lynching Votanic after BTing me, keep your vote where it is. I need everyone voting me to agree or disagree on that before replying.

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Will be back Sunday. At some point

I prefer a discussion on who should be lynched, myself. I suppose you're not flamethrower person because otherwise you wouldve lit him on fire during the night.

Extreme Ways wrote:

Ragian wrote:Cool. If everyone is on board lynching Votanic after BTing me, keep your vote where it is. I need everyone voting me to agree or disagree on that before replying.

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RL issue: Going to a wedding in a few hours.
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I prefer a discussion on who should be lynched, myself. I suppose you're not flamethrower person because otherwise you wouldve lit him on fire during the night.

Just a question. If Ragian was the flametrower and the Thing recruited Ragian. Would DDS still count the flamer vote he got from Ragian?

Blood Vote:
(1) Sonic - Votan
(1) Votan - Ragian
(1) Charle - EW
(3) Ragian - Swang, Charle, Sonic


Lynch Vote:
(1) Ragian - Swang
(1) Votan - Sonic


With 9 alive, it takes 5 for majority!

Don't get too drunk Mr. McGoo. Have fun at the wedding!

FPed - Kills are before conversion

SoN!c wrote:

Extreme Ways wrote:

Ragian wrote:Cool. If everyone is on board lynching Votanic after BTing me, keep your vote where it is. I need everyone voting me to agree or disagree on that before replying.

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RL issue: Going to a wedding in a few hours.
Will be back Sunday. At some point

I prefer a discussion on who should be lynched, myself. I suppose you're not flamethrower person because otherwise you wouldve lit him on fire during the night.

Just a question. If Ragian was the flametrower and the Thing recruited Ragian. Would DDS still count the flamer vote he got from Ragian?

Yeah, that would be the case. But based on DDS' answer and something I hadnt realised yet, if Votanic is mowed down and recruited in the same night, he would show as vanilla town upon death. It's possible that Pixar could have been the recruitment target while also being killed.

Extreme Ways wrote:

SoN!c wrote:

Extreme Ways wrote:

Ragian wrote:Cool. If everyone is on board lynching Votanic after BTing me, keep your vote where it is. I need everyone voting me to agree or disagree on that before replying.

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RL issue: Going to a wedding in a few hours.
Will be back Sunday. At some point

I prefer a discussion on who should be lynched, myself. I suppose you're not flamethrower person because otherwise you wouldve lit him on fire during the night.

Just a question. If Ragian was the flametrower and the Thing recruited Ragian. Would DDS still count the flamer vote he got from Ragian?

Yeah, that would be the case. But based on DDS' answer and something I hadnt realised yet, if Votanic is mowed down and recruited in the same night, he would show as vanilla town upon death. It's possible that Pixar could have been the recruitment target while also being killed.

I suppose but let's not overthink it

Ragian is saying he will wanna lynch Votanic if he is BT'ed.

So is Ragian saying it because he knows town does not think Votanic is the Thing (and he says it as a defence so town won't wanna BT Ragian knowing the outcome is lynching Votanic)? Or is he town actually believing Votanic is the Thing?

I think Ragian is the converted one so he won't test negative..
(And if he tests negative then Ragian is a player i can trust)

But if i overthink it thinking Ragian is the recruited one then i think EW must be the recruiter.

All we know for a fact is Ragian was on EW D1.

Ragian shifted to Votanic D2. I can get it if it's investigating / rubbing it. But making it a 100% lynch certainty? That is odd for Ragian.

Let's say Ragian is the recruited one for sake of argument (Recruited by Traf). Why would Ragian (as recruited one) shift his vote from EW to Votanic then? Doesn't make sense at all.

If Traf is the Thing (recruiter) and he recruited Ragian, then Ragian should have stayed on EW (with Charle and Swang already 3 voting on EW..).

And EW was fast to BT / Lynch anybody but himself all game long and now it's Ragians turn on D2, he is creating doubt and not voting Ragian. Hmmm

Is there a likely scenario EW is the recruiter and Ragian is his recruited one?

Unvote

Unvote

Sonic you're overthinking it, I just dont want him to get to BT-1 before he says more

i think the next time we will hear from Ragian he will have a serious hangover!!

unBT Charle, BT Ragian
With Sonic's unvote I'm more confident now. I want to be a part of this.

Extreme Ways wrote:unBT Charle, BT Ragian
With Sonic's unvote I'm more confident now. I want to be a part of this.

unBT Charle, BT Ragian
FIxed my voting